9ballGOD
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You sure have some kinda class to do this on this persons thread. Your such a child.
I do like your cases though, they all look exactly the same
My New J. Flowers Case
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You sure have some kinda class to do this on this persons thread. Your such a child.
I do like your cases though, they all look exactly the same
I'd like to see some evidence of this assertion. Without that I'd have to call you a liar.
Good Post!
This looks more and more like "Battle of the casemakers". Or "So you think you can build a case". Or "Case Idol"
I have much respect for both John and Jack when it comes to their work. I am waiting for my JB case that should arrive tomorrow and I have seen plenty of Jack's cases in my life to know that both are great case makers and they can provide great quality/protection for my cues.
I chose John only because I used Instroke since I picked up pool and I was always very very happy with the work/quality/protection offered. And of course, why pay couple hundred more ?
Too bad this dispute is turning into "The Young and the Restless" . It's fun to see you guys "compeating" but really, I don't see any cuemakers jumping at eachothers throat for supremacy.
Just my $0.02...
I have much respect for both John and Jack when it comes to their work. I am waiting for my JB case that should arrive tomorrow and I have seen plenty of Jack's cases in my life to know that both are great case makers and they can provide great quality/protection for my cues.
I chose John only because I used Instroke since I picked up pool and I was always very very happy with the work/quality/protection offered. And of course, why pay couple hundred more ?
Too bad this dispute is turning into "The Young and the Restless" . It's fun to see you guys "compeating" but really, I don't see any cuemakers jumping at eachothers throat for supremacy.
Just my $0.02...
It's not about supremacy. It's about accuracy. It's really simple. Jack should just stay out of threads that have to do with my cases and I will stay out of his.
Statements like these that you made are where Jack really has a problem with me,
"they (both) can provide great quality/protection for my cues."
Because such a statement is in error Vlad. Only one of the two DOES provide great quality/protection for your cues. The other one could care less about your cues and insists that his cases are just fine and that no one has ever had a cue damaged while in a Justis case. Even though he warns you when you buy one of his cases that you need to insert your cue the "right" way or it may get damaged.
And Jack hates it when I point that out.
You know when you go to the hardware store and they have the paint mixing machine that shakes the cans vigorously?
Would you take a Justis case with this interior and put in on one of those machines?
Or would you feel better if this were your interior in this test?
Imagine you are on the way to the tournament and you are on a bumpy highway and your case is in the backseat. Do you really want to think about your cues beating against each other every time you hit a bump in the road? Or sliding back and forth on the fabric getting little scratches because the fabric is too abrasive for the finish?
You all pay thousands for your cues and you trust Jack's interior for what reason? Because he's been around a while? Because no one is complaining? Well a few people complained and were told that they are liars. People don't want to speak out against Jack because they need favors from other people who they want to do business with.
Let me make this as clear as I can. Jack's interiors are made by the Long Chan/Sharon cue case factory in China. This company could CARE LESS about your cue. Jack's interiors are EXACTLY the same as Long Chan puts in the LOWEST PRICED tube cases that J&J sells. No difference. So ask yourself how great can they be when there is less than $3 invested into them?
My interiors are also made in China. The difference? I live here and control EVERY ASPECT of the production from the size of the tubes, to the type of plastic, to the fabric used, what type of foam rubber is used, what thread, how each part is sewn together and who does the work. We currently have three main interior types for tube cases and three for soft/semi-hard cases all that I developed.
So no, a Justis does not offer you great quality and protection for your cues. A Justis simply is a pretty case where you can brag about having a Justis. Some of them are very pretty and have a great look to them. Jack's work is very clean and refined on the exterior and he has his "look" down pat.
If you buy a Justis you are buying prestige and that's all. You aren't buying superior protection.
I dare anyone to pick up a Justis case right now and see if the interior and exterior have a snug fit. I will bet you that in 90% of the Justis ProLite cases that have been made the interior and exterior do NOT fit well together. Now maybe this is acceptable to some, and it's obviously acceptable to people who buy Justis cases but it's not acceptable to me and something that I will never send to a customer.
Should this be acceptable from a case maker with stature of Jack Justis?
I mean seriously, for the money I would really expect the interior and exterior to match up a little better. At least for my money I do.
On every one of our cases I show off the interior with cues and without cues. I guess you can see why Jack doesn't. For me the interior is the most important part of the case. For him it's an part to be bought from a Chinese factory with no thought as to whether they are doing a good job or not.
Ours by comparision;
In conclusion,
Folks, Jack Justis has a bug up his butt about me. It's primarily because I do point out to people that our protection is now and always has been better than his. Our protection is also better than Murnak, Whitten, On Q Cases, and just about all other case makers unless they have taken steps to do what we do. And I will keep saying that until is not true anymore.
I am not saying that we make the prettiest cases, or the most expensive cases, or the most prestigious cases. Jack Justis and the Whittens for example have earned the place they hold through putting out consistently good product over 20 years. Our styles are across the board and will stay that way. This is not a beauty contest for me. It's protection pure and simple.
That's why I don't take a $3 interior from Chinese factory that rips everyone in the world's designs off and put them into my expensive pretty exterior of elephant hide and Ron Ross tooling.
No instead I build a BETTER interior and put that in Sterling Gaming's mass production case so that EVERYONE can afford great protection. And if they want pretty then I will be more than happy to wrap $1000 worth of leather and tooling around it.
Sincerely,
John Barton, case maker.
I like Justis cases...but from my experience with one of them, I would rather protect my cues in a tube style case...or something where the interior doesnt move around. But thats just me. Most people dont mind and think the cues are protected inside a case that has an interior that moves, but to me an interior where the butt and shaft is firmly held in place is more safe. To me its just common sence....but hey, what do I know.
To me, protection is first and foremost, looks second. I dont care who makes the case, if it offers my cues protection, I will probably buy it.
but thats just my opinion.
To me, protection is first and foremost, looks second. I dont care who makes the case, if it offers my cues protection, I will probably buy it.
but thats just my opinion.
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Oh...and NewStroke....congrats on your new case..its very simple, and looks nice. I am sure it will serve you well. Me, I like simple, but functional!
Shawn
Nice case. Congratulations.
as promised Dan, here are some more pictures of your case.
Thanks again for the business, it's a pleasure protecting your cues.
Thanks John, I have gotten nothing but compliments about the case wherever I have played so far. People are really impressed with the durable construction.
@John
I have to say I really like how passionate you are about your work. In 7 hours I will pick-up my case and I'll be able to concur with or dispute your statements based on what I see.
P.S. : Can I insert my shafts "tip up" or that could cause some damage to them ?
I have to say I really like how passionate you are about your work. In 7 hours I will pick-up my case and I'll be able to concur with or dispute your statements based on what I see.
P.S. : Can I insert my shafts "tip up" or that could cause some damage to them ?
@John
I have to say I really like how passionate you are about your work. In 7 hours I will pick-up my case and I'll be able to concur with or dispute your statements based on what I see.
P.S. : Can I insert my shafts "tip up" or that could cause some damage to them ?
I hope the stitching quality of your new case is better than the Strong Bear case John sold to someone here on AZ. If I recall this case sold for over $800.
Roadie,
You have sent so many private emails I could publish my own book. I see you comparing us again which you said many times you would never do again. I knew you could not resist.:grin:
9ballGOD
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For f*cks sake, I created this thread to show the new quality cause I purchased. I am happy as hell I got it, but regret I posted anything. The goal was to show other pool players the skill and dedication some people have to the game and their art, not to start a pissing contest between two very good craftsman.
Think about this: You both make a quality product. You may not like each other but each of you has strengths and weaknesses that the other does not possess. Live with it. Arguing or not you are still going sell a comparable amount cases to future pool players.
Think about this: You both make a quality product. You may not like each other but each of you has strengths and weaknesses that the other does not possess. Live with it. Arguing or not you are still going sell a comparable amount cases to future pool players.
Jack,
That case was mine and those were not stitches... I remember that was a loose line and all I had to do was to pull it out. Good eye anyway but that is not an answer to what John posted. He all know your cases look awesome and we all know that John and his team can make an awesome case as well. Different people, different styles, different worries and approaches.
Yeah, you can say whatever you want about the pocket. What held the pocket on the case after you pulled out the thread? You might try and pass this "loose line" off to someone that has no clue but the photo tells a different story.
All John posted was his interior is better than anyone else's which everyone on planet earth has heard 10 times. He used a pic of my interior as a poor example and that is why I did the same showing the pockets and crooked rivet line on his case. I have had enough of his bashing over the years and every time he breaks his promises and starts with the BS, I intend to stand up and fire back. I despise how he twist things around like saying he is not posting for a while and immediately starts using the alias Roadie to shill his own products. I guess he thinks no one will figure this out but his style of posting cannot be disguised under a fake name. I wish Howerton should ban us both so I would not have to come on here to read his crap.:wink:
Sorry that you got run over here and I agree with all you said. Its pathetic and I promise to try and clean it up in the future.
I think your case came out nice and wish you the best of luck using it.