Why is matchroom still taking votes????
- Thread starter Jaden
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That the voting function is still enabled and also people can vote more than once, just makes you wonder @ the integrity of the process. Mushroom Sports is keeping us in the dark so far and I'd hope they'll address those questions.
I wonder if they'll divulge the vote counts (not the %'s).
I wonder if they'll divulge the vote counts (not the %'s).
theyre letting the voting go until one of their expected guys win, you didnt know???
you thinking a blagoyovich type scandal here????
Are you thinking of a blagojovich type scandal here or something....
waiting to see who the highest bidder is?
Most voting sites will atleast implement an IP scan feature to prevent people with the same IP from voting twice....
There are ways around everything, but they only required that you refresh your page. $h1T you didn't even have to clear your cache to vote again.
Jaden
Are you thinking of a blagojovich type scandal here or something....
waiting to see who the highest bidder is?
Most voting sites will atleast implement an IP scan feature to prevent people with the same IP from voting twice....
There are ways around everything, but they only required that you refresh your page. $h1T you didn't even have to clear your cache to vote again.
Jaden
Out of all the people in pool that don't have their "stuff" together, matchroom was one of the very few that did seem to have their "stuff" together. I had always held them in a very high regard but they've seriously disappointed me this year. :frown:
I really can not see why. A simple technical glitch?
Matchroom's integrity is sound in my opinion (speaking from experience). Folks should not worry.
Did anyone remember to mention that Matchroom is sending some lucky fans to the Mosconi Cup - on their dime! :grin:
Jaden:
This by itself is not a good idea. Filtering votes "purely" by uniqueness of IP Address is an extremely myopic method -- i.e. "every IP address has a single PC behind it." Not all Internet access is "single-PC-or-Mac-behind-a-broadband-connection." Many folks (like me) work for a living onsite at a business location, and, say, on lunch time (like right now?) do some personal browsing while eating his/her soup and salad. This business location may have a shared T3 connection, and if that's the case, the same source IP address would be recorded for, oh, say, 50 people.
Rather, a combination of filters would need to be used; e.g. IP Address + cookie + ...something else. That "something else" may a login on that website, [re]Captcha human authentication verification, or some other method. But the point here is IP address alone is a very narrow-minded filter, and would toss out good unique votes that were behind a single shared IP address.
I'm not sure what kind of filter Matchroom is using, but for the love of goodness, I hope it's not purely unique-source-IP-address based.
-Sean
Its not just the technical glitch, its the overall process of their way of handling the last spot for the American team. Anyone in the world could vote for the American player but they used legitimate measures to put all of the Euro players in place. One week Rodney and Charlie Williams are so far ahead that quite a few on here gave up hope for their guy even having a chance. According to them, they decided to only vote for Rodney or Charlie but yet a week later, one of the guys at the bottom of the list is all of the sudden in the lead? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
You know them personally and you're working with them on this "send a fan to the cup" deal so if you've got no problem with it, great for you. I do have a problem with it but I'm just one person in a sea of others so my thoughts on this will have no bearing on anything whatsoever.
It doesn't matter that it's still turned on.
All votes are recorded with a date/time stamp on them along with some other information like IP Address.
They'll just pull all the numbers, run a couple queries and have the exact numbers with 1 vote per IP address in the alotted time and have the numbers.
Don't waste your time voting over and over!
All votes are recorded with a date/time stamp on them along with some other information like IP Address.
They'll just pull all the numbers, run a couple queries and have the exact numbers with 1 vote per IP address in the alotted time and have the numbers.
Don't waste your time voting over and over!
I agree somewhat on this; however it is a bit to the fault of organized (oxymoron) pro pool in the USA. We do not make it easy for event promoters to determine "Who is playing the best in the USA?"
It will improve in time...
The upcoming event will be a great/fun one! I hope you and everyone else can give your support!
Let's not jump to conclusions
Good point Corey. US pool doesn't seem to have a great ranking system to make it easy for a promotion company to offer bids. I don't have the answer.
I too hope the voting process has not been compromised. Times are super tough and it's easier than ever to be cynical, even more so in the billiards industry. But that alone doesn't mean Matchroom should be accused of anything. They have a difficult task and seem to have done a pretty admirable job of it over the years. We have the right to raise all the reasonable questions/concerns we want, but in the absence of willful deceit, incompetence, or negligence, they deserve the benefit of the doubt IMO.
I'm psyched for the Mosconi Cup!!! It's a one of a kind, very special event.
Good point Corey. US pool doesn't seem to have a great ranking system to make it easy for a promotion company to offer bids. I don't have the answer.
I too hope the voting process has not been compromised. Times are super tough and it's easier than ever to be cynical, even more so in the billiards industry. But that alone doesn't mean Matchroom should be accused of anything. They have a difficult task and seem to have done a pretty admirable job of it over the years. We have the right to raise all the reasonable questions/concerns we want, but in the absence of willful deceit, incompetence, or negligence, they deserve the benefit of the doubt IMO.
I'm psyched for the Mosconi Cup!!! It's a one of a kind, very special event.
Dennis Hatch was #3 after the first week.
Perhaps that is "at the bottom", what do I know.
He had a whopping 13% of the vote. I'm not going to bother going to find all the quotes but there were many where people stated they were either going to vote for Rodney or CW (I don't recall anyone admitting to voting for CW :grin
because they didn't believe that anyone outside of Rodney & CW had a chance due to the numbers. I believe the bulk of the posts had written everyone else off until the new numbers were released. I'm sorry if it bothers people that I'm a "nay sayer" (favorite term used back in the IPT days) about all of this but its simply how I feel about the situation. Again, I'm just one small person and quite frankly it shouldn't bother anyone what I think about it because my opinion of the situation isn't going to change anyone elses opinion nor will it affect what matchroom does in the future.
For those of you that enjoyed it, I'm glad you did. This place would be a real downer if everyone agreed, and esp if they were agreeing about something they didn't like. I'm still going to enjoy the competition, its just lost some prestige for me personally.
He had a whopping 13% of the vote. I'm not going to bother going to find all the quotes but there were many where people stated they were either going to vote for Rodney or CW (I don't recall anyone admitting to voting for CW :grin
I'm sorry if it bothers people that I'm a "nay sayer" (favorite term used back in the IPT days) about all of this but its simply how I feel about the situation. Again, I'm just one small person and quite frankly it shouldn't bother anyone what I think about it because my opinion of the situation isn't going to change anyone elses opinion nor will it affect what matchroom does in the future.
For those of you that enjoyed it, I'm glad you did. This place would be a real downer if everyone agreed, and esp if they were agreeing about something they didn't like. I'm still going to enjoy the competition, its just lost some prestige for me personally.
How were teams picked in the past and did you like that process better?
I don't recall the exact process but I do know it was based on the persons overall performance (rankings) for the year. A part of it included the winner of the US Open or highest finishing American which is why many thought that Donnie Mills might get the nod until they came out with the voting.
I think it should be based on the persons performance. I realize there isn't a whole lot of tournaments to go on due to the current state of mens pool but there are still enough tournaments to base a decision on who earned a spot on the team this yr.
I was looking up some tournaments yesterday and every month this yr there has been a tournament big enough to draw (almost) all of the pro players. The tourneys had enough big named players and money added to be considered a major tourney in the current state of todays pool world. IMO that is enough to make an educated decison as opposed to allowing the world to vote in a way that leaves more questions than answers as to the validity of the vote.
Ummmmmmmmm, they don't have a clue?
Why would they be trusted to oversee any of the process?
They hired a company with software that controls your not being able to vote twice from the same IP address and email. Even though it looks like your vote was accepted again, it was not. The company sees the double vote, and discards it. Matchroom also promotes at least 6 other sports, just because they didn't get the webpage changed in the one day, you guys all have to be up in arms about it? They will put up the results when they have fully looked at the results from the company they hired to keep it fair. That doesn't have to mean they are ready to put out their press release the same day.
Also Matchroom doesn't care one iota who wins the event. Do you think because it is a company based in England that it wants Team Europe to win? It pays all the players the same, and it gets no better standing because a guy from Finland, UK, Germany, etc wins the event. They want to see a good matchup! If there is drama there from a close race, people are going to want to come back every year and see it. Why do you think they would care if Team Europe dominated Team USA? Does that really make sense to you guys???
I am going to repost a post I made in another thread because this negativity toward matchroom is upsetting to me.
I really can not believe the members of this forum bashing Matchroom for putting the best 8 ranking down from points up to a vote. They were looking for exposure, for fan involvement - it really was a brilliant idea. There are people I know going to the event this year that are APA members because they heard about the event from one of their favorite pros campaigning on Facebook. What is so wrong with that?
Matchroom is putting on an event to promote pool. On top of that, each player receives 7500 dollars as an appearance fee when they show up, and EACH player receives 7500 on the winning team. They also pay airfare and hotel for each player. Why is everyone being so ugly to this company for doing what everyone has been b*tching they wished more companies would step up and do - support of professional players as professionals. Oh and by God if they can figure out how to turn a profit, we should criticize this as well?
This was a new idea that they tried out for this year. They wanted to start small, with one team, and see what happened. I know they are considering doing it for both teams next year. You all also have to remember that the Mosconi happens in December. They would like to do a round robin, or some sort of play off for the final spot after the vote. The problem is that they wait until after the US Open for the rankings and the points to be decided, then there is was 15 days for voting, and then trying to figure out how to get these two players together for a match and then where, and then that winning player has to plan in a very short amount of time to get to the event. Do this for the European side and logistically that can be a nightmare.
They are still trying to hash out what they would like to do for next year. Yes, when you have an internet vote, it is really hard to keep out European votes. Truth is, the choices were all very fine players. Who cares if a European voted for Stevie, Charlie, or whomever - they are all very talented and each would benefit the team in their own way.
You guys are just killing me with this thread. To sit there and nitpick and ***** about a company who promotes and more importantly pays what the players are due makes me sick.
Tina Pawloski
Also Matchroom doesn't care one iota who wins the event. Do you think because it is a company based in England that it wants Team Europe to win? It pays all the players the same, and it gets no better standing because a guy from Finland, UK, Germany, etc wins the event. They want to see a good matchup! If there is drama there from a close race, people are going to want to come back every year and see it. Why do you think they would care if Team Europe dominated Team USA? Does that really make sense to you guys???
I am going to repost a post I made in another thread because this negativity toward matchroom is upsetting to me.
I really can not believe the members of this forum bashing Matchroom for putting the best 8 ranking down from points up to a vote. They were looking for exposure, for fan involvement - it really was a brilliant idea. There are people I know going to the event this year that are APA members because they heard about the event from one of their favorite pros campaigning on Facebook. What is so wrong with that?
Matchroom is putting on an event to promote pool. On top of that, each player receives 7500 dollars as an appearance fee when they show up, and EACH player receives 7500 on the winning team. They also pay airfare and hotel for each player. Why is everyone being so ugly to this company for doing what everyone has been b*tching they wished more companies would step up and do - support of professional players as professionals. Oh and by God if they can figure out how to turn a profit, we should criticize this as well?
This was a new idea that they tried out for this year. They wanted to start small, with one team, and see what happened. I know they are considering doing it for both teams next year. You all also have to remember that the Mosconi happens in December. They would like to do a round robin, or some sort of play off for the final spot after the vote. The problem is that they wait until after the US Open for the rankings and the points to be decided, then there is was 15 days for voting, and then trying to figure out how to get these two players together for a match and then where, and then that winning player has to plan in a very short amount of time to get to the event. Do this for the European side and logistically that can be a nightmare.
They are still trying to hash out what they would like to do for next year. Yes, when you have an internet vote, it is really hard to keep out European votes. Truth is, the choices were all very fine players. Who cares if a European voted for Stevie, Charlie, or whomever - they are all very talented and each would benefit the team in their own way.
You guys are just killing me with this thread. To sit there and nitpick and ***** about a company who promotes and more importantly pays what the players are due makes me sick.
Tina Pawloski
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