What A Shame

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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Allison holds 53 WPBA Classic Tour Titles, 12 Major Snooker Titles, is a three time World 9 Ball Champion and won the Gold Medal at this year's World Games, and is in the Hall of Fame. What a shame that she has to play in small field regional tournaments to make a living. Johnnyt
 
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JAM said:
Not so long ago, my counterpart was offered to be staked in an action match for 20 percent. Even the stakehorses are getting fat when they can gobble up 80 percent, throwing the player a 20-percent bone with not much meat on it.
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I have never heard of a 20/80 split. I have always heard stakehorsing is usually a losing proprosition, for the stakehorse.

On the other hand, the opportunity to win money with no risk, if the payoff is good, well makes you think.

Would have Keith play it if the standard split would have been in effect?

Ken
 
I've never seen a horse jockey that puts up and splits....80-20 is common so is 70-30.....50/50? man you better be stealing for someone to give you half. Either that or your playing for elephant food


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stakehorsing is not always a bed of roses either. you are laying odds on your money and you are taking all the risk. also, you had better know the person you are staking very well. to quote fast eddie, " a little bit of something is better than alot of nothing."
 
JAM said:
Tournament promoters, tour directors, league owners, tournament directors, et al., may be the only profit-making folk in pool today.
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Too True. I think this is the biggest part of the problem, but it is not the root of the problem. If someone from the APA decided to quit making a fortune and try to grow pool, it could be huge.

JAM said:
Not so long ago, my counterpart was offered to be staked in an action match for 20 percent. Even the stakehorses are getting fat when they can gobble up 80 percent, throwing the player a 20-percent bone with not much meat on it.

Railbirds wager on site and even online on pool players matching up. At the end of the day, somebody's making a profit, but, once again, it ain't the pool players.
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This is not directed at your counterpart or anyone in particular. Now, to this fact the players over time have brought alot of this on themselves (not saying there is not opening for the chicken-egg argument). Dumping was and is rampant in pool. Players are and always have been greedy. For almost all pool players I have met, it is decided early in their career whether they will just scrape by or will get a 9-5 job.


JAM said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The existing lot of professional players in the United States is dwindling. With more tournaments being held overseas and only two, maybe three American players sponsored with REAL MONEY and not product, professional pool is dying a slow and ugly death.

Now, leagues, recreational play, social shooting will always be fun. In this respect, though, pool is a game and not a sport. Without a sport, there will be no need for professional-caliber players.

Pool will always be fun for some, just not profitable for others, thereby eliminating the need for professional players.
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The internet killed the poolroom hustle. The economy has been slowing sucking the life out of the bar action. The only thing left is for a guy to spend $400 to travel to a tournament to try to win $1,000.

Another problem is the mentality of some of the players. I just spoke to a player about me sending him to an area to play a guy that will lose $10,000+. I also told this young player that I could probably line him up to make nearly $200 per day to cover expenses. The player then told me that he didn't want to go where he might win $10,000 knowing he would be spending $400 per day. It amazes me that his expectations are to have to spend $400 per day traveling. Ridiculous.
 
My arrangement years ago with a great shortstop player was 50/50. He went for cheap in the calcuttas, and always cashed. Never won, highest was second, lots of 3rds and fourths.

If that player still played and I had the means, I would offer the same deal.
 
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u12armresl said:
My arrangement years ago with a great shortstop player was 50/50. He went for cheap in the calcuttas, and always cashed. Never won, highest was second, lots of 3rds and fourths.

If that player still played and I had the means, I would offer the same deal.
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That is the kind of player I try to buy in calcuttas and I usually make money on it.

I seldom buy the wild bids, and then try to find the best of the remaining players usually at bargin rates.

I guess I am what is wrong too....

Ken
 
Have you seen Allison's bank account? How do you even know she "HAD" to play in this little event to make some money? Maybe she just wanted to play in it? Maybe she was asked by a good friend to come play?

I think it would be cool to see a top pro player come play in a small event that I go to every so often.

I highly doubt Allison is starving for money...
 
Haven't seen it either.

I haven't seen Allison's bank account either. It is either that she has to play because she needs the money or that she choses to play in order to promote the game she plays for a living. I prefer to believe it is for the latter reason.

I do know that Shane used to (might still) play in some APA (or is it another entity ?) local tournaments and the people that got the opportunity to play against him in that context were thrilled. Stuff like that is great for pool. Hopefully that's what Allison is up to and not trying to keep food on the table.

Kevin
 
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this morning I sent an e-mail to president obama urging him to mention about the sport of pool on national TV and this was my second time.my first message to him was more than 2 months ago.I will keep sending him the e-mail once in 2 months.
 
Can Pros Bet on themselves at Vegas or elsewhere?

Are the pros forbidden to gamble on the outcome of tourneys. I know in all other sports gambling is strictly forbidden.....but I don't know if that is true of pool? Of course .....if I saw Mika laying a bet on Archer.....I'd head for the window....lol
 
danquixote said:
Are the pros forbidden to gamble on the outcome of tourneys. I know in all other sports gambling is strictly forbidden.....but I don't know if that is true of pool? Of course .....if I saw Mika laying a bet on Archer.....I'd head for the window....lol
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youre kidding right?
 
Gatz said:
Have you seen Allison's bank account? How do you even know she "HAD" to play in this little event to make some money? Maybe she just wanted to play in it? Maybe she was asked by a good friend to come play?

I think it would be cool to see a top pro player come play in a small event that I go to every so often.

I highly doubt Allison is starving for money...
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She most certainly isn't starving for money. She is one the girls that has done very well for herself.
 
pocketspeed said:
youre kidding right?
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absolutely not......I would expect the answer to be NO....but with the history of pool and it's lack of a central governing body.....I truly don't know. I may be the only player that doesn't know the answer to this question......and I will gladly accept nominations for " least knowledgeable player" on this forum:grin:
 
danquixote said:
absolutely not......I would expect the answer to be NO....but with the history of pool and it's lack of a central governing body.....I truly don't know. I may be the only player that doesn't know the answer to this question......and I will gladly accept nominations for " least knowledgeable player" on this forum:grin:
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Wow, you get my nomination. Hell, players usually do most of the "buying" in the Caluttas. Players can absolutely gamble on tourney outcomes.
 
I never said she was broke or starving to death. When you use to make $100,000+ a year and now are not making $50,000 your life style has to change or you need to find something to make up the difference. If pros keep cashing the top three spots the number of players will start to dwindle, 30, 20, 10, no more tour. Before you flame me that the amatuers love to play the top pros, let's wait about six months and look at the numbers if the same top pros keep winning 75% of the purses. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I never said she was broke or starving to death. When you use to make $100,000+ a year and now are not making $50,000 your life style has to change or you need to find something to make up the difference. If pros keep cashing the top three spots the number of players will start to dwindle, 30, 20, 10, no more tour. Before you flame me that the amatuers love to play the top pros, let's wait about six months and look at the numbers if the same top pros keep winning 75% of the purses. Johnnyt
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No disrespect intended here, but how do oyu know that she wasn't playing to help the promoter or just to keep her game sharp?
 
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