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[asiasdad]

I think that this would be unfair to those who sell $30 items and more than fair for those who sell $1000 items.

Check Ebay's rates to list, and then if it sells what the $30.00 item
costs the seller to sell. $5.00 on AZB ain't sh!t John regardless of
selling price, and quite a deal for higher dollar amount items as
you have pointed out.

 

[Only ERO's]

FWIW:

The little yellow banner under the username
is an early indication of a non-nit that is supporting this site by at least
becoming a member and paying to help keep it running

These types of threads are always amusing.

I am not trying to attack but I just need to state this:

The yellow banner does not mean a thing. For all of you that have paid that, you might as well have considered it a donation. Just remember, tax season is around the corner.

The people that own these types of sites don't need the little costs of becoming a "member". A site this large is worth a whole lot more than what they are collecting in "member fees" to keep it going.

I know of a similar site of different interest that was sold within the last year. That sold for seven figures. It was unbelievable the money the three guys that created that were making.

The small amounts of money from the members fees is nothing compared to what the site is making.

Happy holidays.

 

[asiasdad]

I am not trying to run my business off this forum, so I don't care.

No, of course you don't as you only have 3 I-traders with all the
threads you've started in For Sale.

You sell most of your (ahmm) merchandise on ebay as people
here are not buying from you.

 

[asiasdad]

These types of threads are always amusing.

I am not trying to attack but I just need to state this:

The yellow banner does not mean a thing. For all of you that have paid that, you might as well have considered it a donation. Just remember, tax season is around the corner.

The people that own these types of sites don't need the little costs of becoming a "member". A site this large is worth a whole lot more than what they are collecting in "member fees" to keep it going.

I know of a similar site of different interest that was sold within the last year. That sold for seven figures. It was unbelievable the money the three guys that created that were making.

The small amounts of money from the members fees is nothing compared to what the site is making.

Happy holidays.

You are exactly on point, so where is your yellow banner donation ?

 

[PDX]

I have not read all of the posts, but I think I get the idea. I'm on a camera forum also, and there is a flat rate that is paid once in order to post in the for sale section. If you are a business you pay more. I sell lenses every so often, much better percentage than cues. Anyway, they charge $10 to allow one to sell, which is a one time fee. They also have a limit on the amount of bumps one can do in a week and other rules. If you break the rules, they will send a warning and after that you get a short suspension. If anyone wants the rules, let me know.

 

[manwon]

These types of threads are always amusing.

I am not trying to attack but I just need to state this:

The yellow banner does not mean a thing. For all of you that have paid that, you might as well have considered it a donation. Just remember, tax season is around the corner.

The people that own these types of sites don't need the little costs of becoming a "member". A site this large is worth a whole lot more than what they are collecting in "member fees" to keep it going.

I know of a similar site of different interest that was sold within the last year. That sold for seven figures. It was unbelievable the money the three guys that created that were making.

The small amounts of money from the members fees is nothing compared to what the site is making.

Happy holidays.

I see your point and you are certainly welcome to your opinion, but there is more to the word support than how your clothing fits. There are many who use this forum as their personal place of business, and their constant bumps of their for sale threads are disrupting for many forum members. It may not bother you, however, when you are interested in reading threads for the purpose of buying something or you are offering an item for sale and your item barely gets viewed because of this problem it is aggravating. The people who I am speaking about know who they are, some have even posted comments in this thread I suspect because they feel guilty. But, it amazes me that they don't even realize that they only further expose themselves by their comments, and that they don't even know how transparent they are and how foolish they look.

Whether the owner of this site makes Millions or ten dollars isn't the point, he should make money or how can anyone expect them to keep this site up and running which is a free service not an obligation to all of us the users. The truth is not all members can afford to pay something to be a member, and no one is treated differently because they have not joined the membership program and that is how it should be. But these same people also are not the ones abusing the privileges we all enjoy for free. The ones that are abusing these privileges are members who can afford a membership and do not buy one because they can get away without buying one. Why do they do this? Are they cheap, do they think that no one will notice, or is it that they think they are above the rest of us and that no one will question their actions? I do not claim to know everything however, what I do know for certain is that what they are doing is wrong and I am glad that Mike has made it clear what this forum is designed for.

To those who do not like what I have said, if the shoe fits wear it, I hope this makes you feel good and I hope you think that I am an ass hole for saying this because certainly mean to be by my comments. To those who this concerns do what you do best and justify your actions at least to yourself because no one else is deceived.


You know it never ceases to amaze me how some people can act when treated respectfully, like they say give them an inch and they will take it miles and some how justify their actions as legitimate!!!!!

 

[manwon]

I have not read all of the posts, but I think I get the idea. I'm on a camera forum also, and there is a flat rate that is paid once in order to post in the for sale section. If you are a business you pay more. I sell lenses every so often, much better percentage than cues. Anyway, they charge $10 to allow one to sell, which is a one time fee. They also have a limit on the amount of bumps one can do in a week and other rules. If you break the rules, they will send a warning and after that you get a short suspension. If anyone wants the rules, let me know.

Sounds like a good program, I think maybe you should just post the rules I would like to see how they have organized it.

Respectfully

 

[cuedoctor]

just having a new site built & maybe being a little over excited of the fact, i realise i'm probably guilty of bumping morn & eve [ suggested by a friend] i want to say, i will stay in the background as i always have, will not post only on occasion. i've seen many, that don't have a site, or never have rented a booth at a major tournament, & sell much more than the dealers. for this reason i'm no longer going to have a booth at U S open, DCC, or Valley Forge. what bothers me most on az, is the cat fights that go on uncontroled. my apologies to Mike, i don't want to abuse this forum. my father taught me some valuable lessons in life. don't lie, cheat or steal, be honest & most of all was integrety. thanks to my dad, who didn't just say it, he lived it....... regards don

Sorry to hear this Don......Your company was worth much more than any cue you ever had at your booth and if more vendors felt the same going to these events kinda losses there apeal.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

These types of threads are always amusing.

I am not trying to attack but I just need to state this:

The yellow banner does not mean a thing. For all of you that have paid that, you might as well have considered it a donation. Just remember, tax season is around the corner.

The people that own these types of sites don't need the little costs of becoming a "member". A site this large is worth a whole lot more than what they are collecting in "member fees" to keep it going.

I know of a similar site of different interest that was sold within the last year. That sold for seven figures. It was unbelievable the money the three guys that created that were making.

The small amounts of money from the members fees is nothing compared to what the site is making.

Happy holidays.

So, because one site makes millions....they all do?

Interesting theory.

 

[Fast Lenny]

So, because one site makes millions....they all do?

Interesting theory.

I agree, pool is a different animal and I am certain that AZ Billiards is not worth 7 figures but its priceless for us pool junkies. :smile:

 

[Thunder Thighs]

I agree, pool is a different animal and I am certain that AZ Billiards is not worth 7 figures but its priceless for us pool junkies. :smile:

amen man... amen :yeah:

 

[leehayes]

Where does one draw the line ? "Online business" ? Exactly what does that constitute ? Several parties here sell many cues and have websites. Does this policy apply to them? The lack of standards of practice for sales here is a joke. Which is why I will probably never purchase a cue from anyone here again. And there are definitely folks out there who could use my money.

later,
tim

I couldn't disagree more. I have gained an incredible amount of knowledge here on AZB not just from people sharing their pool playing wisdom but to the gracious cue makers who share their wisdom as well. I personally appreciate them making their offerings here so that we have them all in one place and don't have to go hunt them down because we wouldn't know half of them if we did. I have NEVER had one transaction go bad here on AZB and some of them were done with cuemakers.
As has been said before...AZB is the BEST website for pool on the internet and I personally hope it stays that way.

 

[leehayes]

So, because one site makes millions....they all do?

Interesting theory.

Mr Wilson..even if you were making millions...what business is that of anyone else's? This is a great site and you guy should benefit from making that way. Someone will always complain that someone else is getting rich off of their idea. I say...good for you if you are.

 

[JB Cases]

Check Ebay's rates to list, and then if it sells what the $30.00 item
costs the seller to sell. $5.00 on AZB ain't sh!t John regardless of
selling price, and quite a deal for higher dollar amount items as
you have pointed out.

I have sold a couple hundred items on Ebay and I have paid as little as $1.50 to sell my items and that's ONLY because I chose to have a package allowing me a few more pictures.

I don't know Ebay's current rates but I will in the coming week as we will be uploading dozens of items from my father's electronics business. I am sure that it's nowhere close to $5 to sell a $30 item if you choose the lowest listing fee.

 

[asiasdad]

I have sold a couple hundred items on Ebay and I have paid as little as $1.50 to sell my items and that's ONLY because I chose to have a package allowing me a few more pictures.

I don't know Ebay's current rates but I will in the coming week as we will be uploading dozens of items from my father's electronics business. I am sure that it's nowhere close to $5 to sell a $30 item if you choose the lowest listing fee.

spoken like a true nit.

With or without a yellow banner

 

[Guerra Cues]

Check Ebay's rates to list, and then if it sells what the $30.00 item
costs the seller to sell. $5.00 on AZB ain't sh!t John regardless of
selling price, and quite a deal for higher dollar amount items as
you have pointed out.

Like I said before... We all know that Club Membership is for everybody... But... Nobody should be allowed to sell without having the Club Membership...
I've lost money several times selling stuff on AZ... It is not about the money you might make, it is about the opportunity of exposure that AZ offers and you have to respect that no matter what... Therefore the least you can do is become a Club Member, pure and simple...

 

[Cuemaster98]

All I know is that threads now a day are moving up a lot faster than when I first joined AZ. I assume that my conduct on AZ is appropriate as I didn't received any warning letter from Mike but really would like to get a clear guideline on how these posts should be bump. My main issue with the posting concept in itself is that to have your listing current...someone need to contribute to it or you yourself have to post an update. I usually bump my thread when it get down to the 5/6th page.

I personally feel that the wanted/for sales section should be more like ebay style listing or at least a mixture of both. When certain post paid additional fee to have the priority listing they should be keep updated on the list. I would suggest adding additional field in each post that allow the poster to categories the post (cue, cue builder,case, pricing, location of sales, etc...much like craigslist style that give the user the ability to search and sort the listing that suit their need or have the view we have now where everything is listed. This way, the poster will have more flexibility and the concept of bumping up the thread become less of an issue. I think a lot of seller on AZ is happy to paid a fee for their listing if their posting are given priority....I paid a lot of fee on ebay 3% to 4% on listing and final fee and another 3% if my client pays via paypal. So I have no problem with paying fees or additional seller fee but I would need to weigh those fee against the sales on AZ and to be honest it's not many sales on here when compared to my ebay sales. I would love to pay AZ the fee that I give to ebay and really wish that we can improve on the wanted for sales section so that i don't have to list them on ebay. We have a large community on AZ and I wonder how many of them actually utilize the wanted/for sales section? Any ideas how trade/sales are done on AZ monthly?

Let improve AZbilliard for sellers and buyers together!

Regards,
Duc.


The biggest issue is abuse of this forum by users who simply see this as a place to advertise their online business and everything that they sell. This forum was originally set up for forum users who have an item available that they want to sell. I don't have any problem with users who contribute to this forum, in the form or conversation, to advertise any pool related items that they have for sale or trade.

I do have a problem with folks who have an online business and just use the forum to advertise that business for free.

We have removed a number of these posts and this should be considered the warning for those posters to stop what they are doing.

There is one exception to this however. One user (Cuedaddy) was not only using this area to promote his online shop. He was also taking images from the AzB marketplace to populate his online shop. Including posting items that were exclusives to the AzB marketplace and saying he could deliver these items.

When contacted by our marketplace partner about these issues, his simple response was "sue me".

Not only is this behavior detestable, but I would certainly have concerns about buying from someone like this.

This user has been banned from the forum for life. No warning was given and no warning should be needed for something like this.

Mike[/QUOTE]

 

[rackem]

New Year Membership Drive

Mike says "yes" all club members have yellow 9 ball strip...

IMO You, Mike, Dave the rest of the staff Plus some of our departed members such as Smorg & OHB should be made Honorary members and sport the yellow banner gratious.
It would set a good example. :yeah:

To the rest of my AZ brethren without a yellow banner maybe after the Holidays are over some more of you can join up and do your part. :help:
Please don't make it about about a key chain, drawing or the bennys.
Just helping the Forum to keep on getting on should be benefit enough.
Where else can you have this much fun for $35 a year. :woot:

 

[JB Cases]

spoken like a true nit.

With or without a yellow banner

Who are you that you think it's nitty to want a fair fees that are commensurate with the price of the items? I think it's awfully nitty to tell someone who sells a $30 book that they have to pay the same amount as someone listing a $2000 cue.

You can see the listing fees on Ebay here http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html#auction

I can list an item for as low as 15cts and then the percentage fee is sliding based on the final value price.

You want nitty? IF AZ institutes fees similar to Ebay which I am 95% certain that they won't I can tell you that a lot more business will be done behind the scenes just like on Ebay.

I can understand why you are for a flat rate as it's obvious that you support a flat income tax. I support a flat income tax too. I support a sliding scale for listing.

I have often gone to tournaments and paid the room owner a little money just to set up and a percentage of sales. Sometimes just a flat fee, sometimes just a percentage of sales, and sometimes nothing.

The world is not black and white and your way isn't the only way. We agree that something should be paid so why are you arguing with me. You proposed your idea and I disagreed with it with pertinent examples. Your response; I am a nit.

Well man, Ebay makes billions with their nitty system. Not saying it will work for AZ but I try to emulate the leaders in the field when I want to be in that field.

On Ebay it would cost .15 to list and then $2.62 if the item sold for $30. A cue would cost .15 to list and $76.93 if it sold for $2000 if you did it true auction style. If you put a reserve or starting price over $500 then it's $4 to list with the same final value fees.

 

[CrownCityCorey]

Recently, some things going on in this forum have been brought to our attention and we are making strides to take care of these issues today.

The biggest issue is abuse of this forum by users who simply see this as a place to advertise their online business and everything that they sell. This forum was originally set up for forum users who have an item available that they want to sell. I don't have any problem with users who contribute to this forum, in the form or conversation, to advertise any pool related items that they have for sale or trade.

I do have a problem with folks who have an online business and just use the forum to advertise that business for free.

We have removed a number of these posts and this should be considered the warning for those posters to stop what they are doing.

There is one exception to this however. One user (Cuedaddy) was not only using this area to promote his online shop. He was also taking images from the AzB marketplace to populate his online shop. Including posting items that were exclusives to the AzB marketplace and saying he could deliver these items.

When contacted by our marketplace partner about these issues, his simple response was "sue me".

Not only is this behavior detestable, but I would certainly have concerns about buying from someone like this.

This user has been banned from the forum for life. No warning was given and no warning should be needed for something like this.

Mike

As I have seen on many other enthusiast forums, there could be a "classifieds" section with posting limits (volume/frequency).

As a paid advertiser, at times I am a bit dismayed by the "free for all" nature of these forums.