If John and Alex played an all-around consisting of 9 ball, one pocket and 14.1, who would win?
Poll- All-around....John Schmidt vs Alex Pagulayan
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no disrespect to john s but alex wins.
9 ball or 10 alex bib fav in long match
14.1 very close john might be a lil fav
one pocket close but alex fav.
John schmidt won the one pocket at the Derby last time. He is also great in 14.1. Alex would win in 9 ball.
I voted for Schmidt
I voted for Schmidt
I think very close. I'd say Alex in rotation, John in straight, and maybe John in one pocket.
Coin flip on any given day. I agree with everything that you said here, but both are so good that any given day it could change.
I also like John and would love to see this match-up.
I voted Alex, but would like John to surprise me. I'm a fan of both players so I just want to watch it for the spectacle.
I think Alex is favorite in 9 ball and 1 pocket, but he doesn't have to win. My personal uneducated opinion is that 9 ball (or 10 ball) would be the swing game. That said, I think John has a better shot at winning the one pocket match than Alex has at winning the 14.1 match.
I think Alex is favorite in 9 ball and 1 pocket, but he doesn't have to win. My personal uneducated opinion is that 9 ball (or 10 ball) would be the swing game. That said, I think John has a better shot at winning the one pocket match than Alex has at winning the 14.1 match.
I voted Alex.
I think Alex is a large favorite in 1 hole and 9 ball. Straight I think John is a large favorite.
Long races and multiple sessions in each discipline.
I think Alex is a large favorite in 1 hole and 9 ball. Straight I think John is a large favorite.
Long races and multiple sessions in each discipline.
i just think its a 100% toss up. i really do.
Wow what a match that would be. John's one pocket skills are excellent and I think this would be fun to see.
I think JS is supposed to win the 14.1. The 9b and 1p are a toss-up with a slight advantage to Alex... but he doesn't have to win. I think anyone can win a heads-up match between these two great players.
It would be a good match but I agree that Alex should be a favorite in rotation and one pocket. He doesn't have to lose the 14.1 either.
John is also a monster player but Alex has more titles in nine ball, has played in way more one pocket events, and can hold his own with most guys at 14.1.
Still, you never know. John is a hell of a player.
John is also a monster player but Alex has more titles in nine ball, has played in way more one pocket events, and can hold his own with most guys at 14.1.
Still, you never know. John is a hell of a player.
fun to watch
I agree with the "given day" people. Alex doesn't have much 14.1 experience that I know of but he has a lifetime of fifteen ball rotation to help him. John won the One Pocket once, I think Alex has a string of second and thirds with at least one third being determined by a card draw. Rotation, nine or ten ball, I don't know. I could make a good argument for either player.
One place I favor John, he would almost certainly prepare for such a match while Alex might take it much more casually. On the other hand, I know Alex can grind for hours and keep up a high level of play. I don't know if John can or not. As usual with two top players going at it, I'm not going to bet enough to cause me any pain if I lose on either player.
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I agree with the "given day" people. Alex doesn't have much 14.1 experience that I know of but he has a lifetime of fifteen ball rotation to help him. John won the One Pocket once, I think Alex has a string of second and thirds with at least one third being determined by a card draw. Rotation, nine or ten ball, I don't know. I could make a good argument for either player.
One place I favor John, he would almost certainly prepare for such a match while Alex might take it much more casually. On the other hand, I know Alex can grind for hours and keep up a high level of play. I don't know if John can or not. As usual with two top players going at it, I'm not going to bet enough to cause me any pain if I lose on either player.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Alex has already beaten John at straight pool for some decent money at the DCC several years ago..
My opinion of this is that John wins the 14.1 session. Williebetmore posted a superb account of a 14.1 match up that JS & AP had at the DCC some time ago. For Alex to duplicate that win is asking a lot. The longer the race, the more it favors John. The old time challenge matches were in blocks of 150 points until someone reached 1,500 points. That is a fair test of who is who. Doubtful we'll see any 1,500 point matches nowadays. But John Schmidt's classical style of 14.1 should hold up better under a long race than Alex's guns-a-blazing style of shooting fliers. Yes, it looks impressive, but it comes with a stiff penalty if you miss. Something to ponder...remember when John Schmidt was playing Sigel in the 2000 U.S. Open 14.1 Championships? All the fliers he had to shoot at? And he made most of them. John Schmidt can shoot as straight as anyone. But he's since added a very sophisticated style to his 14.1 arsenal. He'll be real tough for anyone to handle.
In 9 ball (or 10 ball), John is the 2006 U.S. Open Champion. Alex is the 2005 U.S. Open Champion as well as the 2004 World 9 Ball Champion. Because of his World Championship title, the edge has to go to Alex. I believe rotation games are Alex's real strength. That and he's fearless when playing. Jay Helfert posted some great insights into Alex's mindset when he's playing for money. Chris Bartram also added some significant info on how Alex has no fear when playing for the cash. I think most of that comes from his supreme confidence when playing rotation games.
This is closer than one may think, but I give the edge to Alex.
One Pocket, I believe that John Schmidt wins here also. Not as lopsided as John would win the 14.1 but also not as close a contest as the 9-10 ball either. In other words, I think John would have an easier time with Alex in 1p than he would in 9-10 ball, but not as easy as he would have it in 14.1. John Schmidt's Derby City Classic One Pocket Championship looms large on his resume. How can anybody underestimate his skill in that game is beyond me. Alex has no major tournament wins in 1P. Some people may say that's because he's winning in gambling at 1P. (?) Well to me, that doesn't make sense. If the strongest players in any discipline were the kings of money matches, then that should also transpose over when they play in tournaments. Alex is great in 1P. In no particular order, you have Efren, Shannon Daulton, Alex, John Schmidt, Scott Frost, Jose Parica, Nick Varner,Cliff Joyner, Jeremy Jones and Gabe Owen maiking up a murderers row of the top 10 one pocket specialists that are a threat today. So any of these guys can win. I just think that John's one pocket games is on the upswing and we haven't even seen the best of him in that game yet. If he masters it like he did 14.1, he'll be our next dominant player in that discipline.
If Alex were more active, he'd have a better chance against anyone he played. But the longer he stays with cards, the slimmer his chances of total domination in pool. He had those two major wins (U.S. Open and World 9 Ball Champion) and then he curtailed his playing big time! I wish he wouldn't have because he has all the natural talent one could ask for. But he's not the ONLY player with an abundance of talent. And the other ones who do have this talent are sharpening it by the day.
This IS a close match up. I like all the responses and reasonings so far. It's great fun to poolnosticate on who would win vs who.
Here's hoping that T.A.R. can make this happen someday. They're the Don King Productions of pool when it comes to making big matches happen.
In 9 ball (or 10 ball), John is the 2006 U.S. Open Champion. Alex is the 2005 U.S. Open Champion as well as the 2004 World 9 Ball Champion. Because of his World Championship title, the edge has to go to Alex. I believe rotation games are Alex's real strength. That and he's fearless when playing. Jay Helfert posted some great insights into Alex's mindset when he's playing for money. Chris Bartram also added some significant info on how Alex has no fear when playing for the cash. I think most of that comes from his supreme confidence when playing rotation games.
This is closer than one may think, but I give the edge to Alex.
One Pocket, I believe that John Schmidt wins here also. Not as lopsided as John would win the 14.1 but also not as close a contest as the 9-10 ball either. In other words, I think John would have an easier time with Alex in 1p than he would in 9-10 ball, but not as easy as he would have it in 14.1. John Schmidt's Derby City Classic One Pocket Championship looms large on his resume. How can anybody underestimate his skill in that game is beyond me. Alex has no major tournament wins in 1P. Some people may say that's because he's winning in gambling at 1P. (?) Well to me, that doesn't make sense. If the strongest players in any discipline were the kings of money matches, then that should also transpose over when they play in tournaments. Alex is great in 1P. In no particular order, you have Efren, Shannon Daulton, Alex, John Schmidt, Scott Frost, Jose Parica, Nick Varner,Cliff Joyner, Jeremy Jones and Gabe Owen maiking up a murderers row of the top 10 one pocket specialists that are a threat today. So any of these guys can win. I just think that John's one pocket games is on the upswing and we haven't even seen the best of him in that game yet. If he masters it like he did 14.1, he'll be our next dominant player in that discipline.
If Alex were more active, he'd have a better chance against anyone he played. But the longer he stays with cards, the slimmer his chances of total domination in pool. He had those two major wins (U.S. Open and World 9 Ball Champion) and then he curtailed his playing big time! I wish he wouldn't have because he has all the natural talent one could ask for. But he's not the ONLY player with an abundance of talent. And the other ones who do have this talent are sharpening it by the day.
This IS a close match up. I like all the responses and reasonings so far. It's great fun to poolnosticate on who would win vs who.
Here's hoping that T.A.R. can make this happen someday. They're the Don King Productions of pool when it comes to making big matches happen.
terry you should know this last may alex was playing cards every day not pool and he beat shane easy.
This would be a great match up. However, I think that if it went down you could get some slight odds on the money to take John. Now, whether that means he's the true underdog or not is debatable.
I'd be inclined to take Alex even money just because I can't justify betting against Alex for the cash in pretty much any match up that he likes. However, if I was getting some odds then I'd certainly bet on Mr. Schmidt.
I'd be inclined to take Alex even money just because I can't justify betting against Alex for the cash in pretty much any match up that he likes. However, if I was getting some odds then I'd certainly bet on Mr. Schmidt.