Cuemaker ethics - what do you really make?

Cue Guru said:
BUT, I can see how a lesser known maker might try to pass off a short splice from Prather (or whomever) as his own while trying to make a go of it. Unfortunately, this is the worst time for that- while trying to build a reputation in the early days... It can easily come back to haunt you!:eek:
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I think it's important to clarify the original post, since most of the posts have deviated from it. Sure, we can talk about the disclosure of buying blanks from known blank suppliers like Prather, Atlas, Brianna, but a lot of the original post was also hinting at "cuemakers" who buy blanks from other cuemakers that aren't known as part suppliers (nor do they want to be known as parts suppliers) and definitely not voluntarily disclosing that fact.

Fred
 
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The whole point of this thread is there is a cuemaker on this site who has posted "his" work... and taking all compliments for it. He didn't make the forearm. I point blank asked him, "Did you make the points for this cue?" - knowing he didn't... because I have seen a LOT of this "supplier cuemaker's" work and it's his....

Guess what - the "assembler" claimed he did. He lied. Is he getting new orders from this lie? More than likely. He said, "I have more in the works..." I asked to see more and guess what - no response.

He is a thief. And he knows who he is... and other cuemakers do it too... Doesn't make it right.

-Ross
Truth Avenger...
 
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1pRoscoe said:
The whole point of this thread is there is a cuemaker on this site who has posted "his" work... and taking all compliments for it. He didn't make the forearm. I point blank asked him, "Did you make the points for this cue?" - knowing he didn't... because I have seen a LOT of this "supplier cuemaker's" work and it's his....

Guess what - the "assembler" claimed he did. He lied. Is he getting new orders from this lie? More than likely. He said, "I have more in the works..." I asked to see more and guess what - no response.

He is a thief. And he knows who he is... and other cuemakers do it too... Doesn't make it right.

BTW - Dave, I have to ask.. What did Barry think of "your" prongs you showed him?

-Ross
Truth Avenger...
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So, Ross, are you going to say who this assembler is? Or do we have to guess and hope we dont have a cue on order from this person that outright lies and takes claim for work that is not his when asked.

-Shawn
Likes to put silly comments under here also just for chits and giggles...
 
ftgokie said:
So, Ross, are you going to say who this assembler is? Or do we have to guess and hope we dont have a cue on order from this person that outright lies and takes claim for work that is not his when asked.

-Shawn
Likes to put silly comments under here also just for chits and giggles...
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He pretty much drew a map for you. All the clues are there. Reread Ross' last post and then do some looking. It shouldn't really take long. Nor should it surprise anyone considering said cuemaker's past.
 
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1pRoscoe said:
The whole point of this thread is there is a cuemaker on this site who has posted "his" work... and taking all compliments for it. He didn't make the forearm. I point blank asked him, "Did you make the points for this cue?" - knowing he didn't... because I have seen a LOT of this "supplier cuemaker's" work and it's his....

Guess what - the "assembler" claimed he did. He lied. Is he getting new orders from this lie? More than likely. He said, "I have more in the works..." I asked to see more and guess what - no response.

He is a thief. And he knows who he is... and other cuemakers do it too... Doesn't make it right.

-Ross
Truth Avenger...
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I just figured out who you are talking about, 99% sure, and the funny this is, if he said who, the cue might be worth more.

JV
 
mia said:
He pretty much drew a map for you. All the clues are there. Reread Ross' last pot and then do some looking. It shouldn't really take long. Nor should it surprise anyone considering said cuemaker's past.
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I knew who he was talking about.....well, lets just say I was 99.9% sure. If a cuemaker is asked point blank if he or she made the forearm, and they say they did where in fact they didnt, that is just flat outright lying.

Most people on here probably wouldnt mind if a cuemaker didnt make the forearm, handle, or butt for that matter, as long as they arent paying top price for the cue to be basically just assembled and finished up.

If I had a forearm, handle, butt section made from SouthWest, and I assembled the pieces and sold it to Ross as a SouthWest at thier prices, that is lying and in my opinion stealing from the customer. But if I let him know where I got the pieces and sold them to him at a fair price, there isnt anything wrong with that in my opinion....people just want to be told the truth if they ask a question. If the truth is told, then crap like this cant come back to harm your reputation.
 
Pots and Kettles!

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1pRoscoe said:
I've spoken to many cuemakers over the years and something that I've been told a few times by various cuemakers has been on my mind and I wanted to get a general consensus here....

I can count 3 different cuemakers that have told me they make forearms for other cuemakers. They will not tell me who they do this for and I can't even begin to guess in any account who they may be. They do this either because the purchasing cuemaker either doesn't have the knowledge or equipment necessary to make a spliced point forearm.

So with the 3 that have told me they do this, I'm sure there are many others..... but come to think of it, I've never seen or heard of a custom cuemaker say, "I've made this nice 4pt cue using [xyz cuemaker's] forearm." (the clear exception are Davis and Prather - and sometimes the latter isn't disclosed)

If you're contacting a cuemaker to purchase a cue from them and you specify that you want a pointed cue or an inlaid buttsleeve, would you find it to be deceptive if they didn't build the entire cue? I'm sure there are tons of secrets among cuemakers but this is one that I honestly think is deceptive to the customer.

Would you be pissed after the fact and want to return the cue? Any other thoughts?

I would love to hear cuemaker's thoughts on this topic as well...
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1pRoscoe said:
The whole point of this thread is there is a cuemaker on this site who has posted "his" work... and taking all compliments for it. He didn't make the forearm. I point blank asked him, "Did you make the points for this cue?" - knowing he didn't... because I have seen a LOT of this "supplier cuemaker's" work and it's his....
Guess what - the "assembler" claimed he did. He lied. Is he getting new orders from this lie? More than likely. He said, "I have more in the works..." I asked to see more and guess what - no response.

He is a thief. And he knows who he is... and other cuemakers do it too... Doesn't make it right.

-Ross
Truth Avenger...
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So, the whole point of this thread was to halfway out a cue maker without giving his name to most of us, not truly to have the questions asked in the first post answered. Many people posted into this thread in good faith, including myself, assuming that the questions were raised in a sincere desire for answers. Seems that the cue maker wasn't the only one that was deceptive. It was 144 posts into this thread before you revealed why you started it. The "Truth Avenger" was a lot less than truthful himself! In fact this statement in the first post was a flat lie according to post #144, "They will not tell me who they do this for and I can't even begin to guess in any account who they may be."

Seems that the cue maker isn't the only one that is dishonest. That doesn't make lying about where components come from right but it does make the person who started this thread the pot calling the kettle black!

Hu(just a little annoyed he wasted time typing serious answers to a bullshit thread)
 
Seems the whole import/domestic argument that has applied for decades to the auto industry is creeping more and more into the cue business. How should a cue be labeled? If a joint comes from a supplier on one cue and the cuemaker makes another joint from metal rod, does that make it better? or does it make it MORE his cue? People can argue all day about how much one cuemaker does vs another but in the end you get what you pay for. Maybe a better way is to say you get what you bargained for? Strange thread to be sure.
 
How did I miss this thread?

I think the builder should be up front and let the customers know what they are getting. When the customer asks for points, veneers, and inlays it's the builders responsibility to let the customer know what they can and can't do.
Buying the parts doesn't make sense to me and sounds lazy.

Another thing I believe. You can't put one guys name on a cue if more then one person built it. I can understand having help preparing the woods but once the construction is started the names need to be documented on the cue.



Just so people know.
I build every part of my cues except the obvious. I will assemble parts if the customer orders the parts and after inspecting each part sends them to me. I only use rings I build. I make every inlay and will never use a pre made inlay.
I can't wait for the next cue I have to learn how to build and if I can't I will not order the parts.
 
cueandcushion said:
Seems the whole import/domestic argument that has applied for decades to the auto industry is creeping more and more into the cue business.
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They don't hid who built the car. Look at the Information tag in the door of any car and you'll know who built it.
 
i said i wouldnt post again but i have to ask this question...

why would a cue not bc worth more bc the cuemaker bought a blank instead of made it? if its a quality built cue it should be worth the market value. reguardless of who made the blank. what do you consider a "fair price" if the maker paid 150$ just for the blank. thats more then most cuemakers have into an entire cue.

the statement that he just assembled and finished up is not even close to accurate...

so if a maker get 400$ or 500$ for a plain cue 1 shaft. what should he get for a 4 point cue that he paid 150$ for the blank? full disclosure.

dont say 550$ bc that is wrong

sounds like some want something for nothing...

this tells me most of the posts in this thread are crazy. i will defer and say yes the maker should disclose. i dont want this arguement.

why should this 4 point cue not demand a higher dollar amount?
 
ShootingArts said:
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So, the whole point of this thread was to halfway out a cue maker without giving his name to most of us, not truly to have the questions asked in the first post answered. Many people posted into this thread in good faith, including myself, assuming that the questions were raised in a sincere desire for answers. Seems that the cue maker wasn't the only one that was deceptive. It was 144 posts into this thread before you revealed why you started it. The "Truth Avenger" was a lot less than truthful himself! In fact this statement in the first post was a flat lie according to post #144, "They will not tell me who they do this for and I can't even begin to guess in any account who they may be."

Seems that the cue maker isn't the only one that is dishonest. That doesn't make lying about where components come from right but it does make the person who started this thread the pot calling the kettle black!

Hu(just a little annoyed he wasted time typing serious answers to a bullshit thread)
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I'd say this thread has sparked A LOT of great discussion .... sorry you feel you've wasted your time by being a contributing poster.

Funny how you're the only one being pissy here...

-Ross
Honest as the day is long...
 
1pRoscoe said:
I'd say this thread has sparked A LOT of great discussion .... sorry you feel you've wasted your time by being a contributing poster.

Funny how you're the only one being pissy here...

-Ross
Honest as the day is long...
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I try not to get pissy, but here I agree with Hu. It would have been much easier just to say " can you believe what this guy did" and state your case. Not cause so much drama asking a question you already had an answer to.

Larry
 
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1pRoscoe said:
I'd say this thread has sparked A LOT of great discussion .... sorry you feel you've wasted your time by being a contributing poster.

Funny how you're the only one being pissy here...

-Ross
Honest as the day is long...
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Not really, I don't like being lied to any more than you do. Trust is a two way street. Every time I read one of your posts now I'll be wondering if it is truth or game playing. You posted this thread because you don't like being taken for a ride. I don't either.

I'm also a lot more skeptical of the accuracy of your claims about the cue maker in this thread when your other words were false. Could be you are falsely accusing someone based on assumptions you made. Even if I find out who the cue maker is I will wait for someone that is more careful with the truth to make allegations before I take them seriously.

Hu
 
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