All around best american player??

[suprnva]

actually dennis is a close friend of mine. and no your not trying to make a game.
your just enjoying trying to sound like you know anything about pool.

this is as close to being a champion at anything you will ever be ,thats arguing with one.

i remember you patrick and honestly im not sure you could get anybody to be your friend if the whole world was under water and your the only person with an oxygen tank. get a life.

p.s. if larry and i play you should bet on me but you wont because your not that smart.

You can't read can you? I DON'T CARE IF I'M EVER A CHAMPION! There are things way more important in life than pool. And I am trying to make a game, sadly I'm trying to make a game with a heartless nit so it's just not working out.

Oh, and if you remember me like you say you do then how did we meet? And what was the very first thing you said to me the 2nd time we saw each other? I'd be shocked if you actually remembered because I sure do.

And I would bet on you because you're a champion and you're easily the favorite against Larry "The Talentless" Nevel! Sadly, you won't actually play because you're too scared that you will beat him too bad and he'll quit pool forever and you'll feel bad. Oh, wait, he's willing to bet his pro career vs yours so I guess he is planning to retire anyways since he obviously has no chance to win.

 

[jay helfert]

i remember ronnie coming to greenway back in the 80s.don't know if he was past his prime or not but he (like u said)ALWAYS walked away winner.
and there was some talent in greenway in those days!
Hey jay.I asked a question in another thread u must not have seen.how good was flyboy back in the day?watched him and walden play onepocket for quite a chunk of change back in the early 90s.flyboy had to be past his prime then.what was he like in his prime?


---DASH---

He was a very good player in his prime. I think Ronnie gave him 9-6, 10-6. Ronnie still had about 90% of his top speed in the mid to late 80's. By the 90's, his game had slipped a lot. The booze was finally taking its toll.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

You can't read can you? I DON'T CARE IF I'M EVER A CHAMPION! There are things way more important in life than pool. And I am trying to make a game, sadly I'm trying to make a game with a heartless nit so it's just not working out.

Oh, and if you remember me like you say you do then how did we meet? And what was the very first thing you said to me the 2nd time we saw each other? I'd be shocked if you actually remembered because I sure do.

And I would bet on you because you're a champion and you're easily the favorite against Larry "The Talentless" Nevel! Sadly, you won't actually play because you're too scared that you will beat him too bad and he'll quit pool forever and you'll feel bad. Oh, wait, he's willing to bet his pro career vs yours so I guess he is planning to retire anyways since he obviously has no chance to win.

actually hes not willing to bet anything. your just running your mouth. he also comes with all the lame stipulations of i gotta work with him blah blah cry cry etc.

again ill play him all around and after i rob him i hope his temper dont get away from him and he beats you up for getting him into this mess haha.

 

[suprnva]

actually hes not willing to bet anything. your just running your mouth. he also comes with all the lame stipulations of i gotta work with him blah blah cry cry etc.

again ill play him all around and after i rob him i hope his temper dont get away from him and he beats you up for getting him into this mess haha.

Those stipulations are for the "career match". You got action playing an all-around (without lame 14.1) or you can just pick a single game (again, not 14.1) and play. And if he's not willing to bet anything, why would he tell me to post trying to make a game with you? Why did he post offering for any American to come play him for at least a couple grand a set? Why is it that when someone accepted the challenge he got up and played? And if you want to talk about lame stipulations, you're the one that wants to penalize someone if they get upset with themselves.

 

[jay helfert]

I agree I don't have the whole picture cos I simply never saw Ronnie, but there's plenty of dvd's showing Efren doing what you're describing, and I must shyly add, that what I've read from your texts and listen your commentating, you might have bit of tendency of bringing up those old eras and memories with "Golden Frames" and some polish in it.

I don't mean to insult here, I'm not saying you're lying or anything like that. It's just natural for us that time goldens the memories and our moods might play part in them.

I'm sure we youngsters tell in the future for all the champions, how they wouldn't have lick on the Mighty Efren if he'd still play or be alive


Why I came with my nosy opinion about Efren vs. Ronnie, was because so many of the (other) old skool players and commentators, have told so, and this issue comes up time after time...

Ronnie must definitely have earned his legend, but was his a-game as good as Efren's, I doubt.


If you watch the DCC 1-P dvd (2006?) where Efren beats Alex in the semi and Miller in the finals, you'll hear Billy and Beard go mad in the booth. They don't compare him on Ronnie, but they compare him on Woods and Jordan. (and Efren is superior to them )

And that's a Major final. I do believe though, that Ronnie had more gamble in him and I do recognize Efrens "quit", but that's just what it comes to gambling and on that particular type of character and situation.

Over all what it comes to character, I'm sure Efren is much higher, and what it comes to NOT quitting, let's all watch Efren vs. Earl Color Of Money race to 120, where Efren is down 92 to 109 and wins 120-117. That's showing heart and competition. And that's not the only case Efren has done it.

I think many gamblers has some sort of stubbornes in them which doesn't allow them to quit (I've experienced that many times myself), but that has nothing to do with wisdom or smart betting. I'd guess Efren is also bit above all these addictions and obsessions, and shouldn't be misinterpreted with "quitter" or "no heart". The guy has won hundreds of times enough money he needs, so maybe he watches the door in wish for sleep if he's having a bad day. Ronnie back in the days probably was quite in need for the score, Efren not so much.

Good points all! You need to know that Billy and Freddie are the two that created this monster One Pocket player known as Efren. They both spent many hours playing and teaching Efren the finer points of the game, so if he plays good they look good. Kapeche?

Ronnie and Efren had/have two different styles. Playing close position around the balls Efren has no equal, not Ronnie, not anyone. Playing balls off the end rail and getting position, again Efren is superior to everyone I've ever seen. Manufacturing run outs from unlikely or impossible situations Ronnie was the king. Finding unorthodox shots and making them, plus breaking out balls to boot, Ronnie was the master.

Kicking multiple rails to escape traps and make balls, again no one did it like Ronnie. Efren's run outs look easier because he plays such pin point position. Ronnie's run outs looked miraculous, but after you saw him do it so many times, you knew it was no fluke.

In a tournament setting Ronnie was merely good. His best pool was saved for the big money games, of which he won many. No question Efren has a lot of heart, but Ronnie had heart and the moxie to take on what appeared to be a bad game at first. And then turn everything around! He was the real deal. I can attest to that.

 

[dmgwalsh]

You know the great thing about the internet? Idiots like you think you know what you're talking about! Did you even read the thread or did you just want to jump in and kiss John's ass really quick?

I'm not woofing at John to play me. I'm trying to help a friend get a game that he asked me to get him. There's a big ****ing difference.

I read enough of it to see that you like to post a lot of bs.

I'm just surprised that people even bother to answer.

Let your friend get his own game and get back to the sidelines where you belong.

(I know you will feel the need to answer this because you've already posted about a million times in this thread on behalf of your boyfriend but I am just going to end my input here. Adios, cheesehead!)

 

[suprnva]

I read enough it to see that you like to post a lot of bs.

I'm just surprised that people even bother enough to answer.

Let your friend get his own game and get back to the sidelines where you belong. I know you will feel the need to answer this because you've already posted about a million times in this thread on behalf of your boyfriend but I am just going to end my input here. Adios, cheesehead!

No, you think it's all BS because you're friends with John. There are other people out there, people that are pretty respected on these forums, that agree with me. There are also obviously people that disagree with me. That's what's so great, we can all have our own opinions. That boyfriend comment you made is pretty good. I love when people have to resort to saying something so juvenile. The best part of your post though was where you said you were going to end your input. That's a good idea since you didn't have a reason to get involved in the conversation in the first place. I'm speaking on behalf of Larry and trying to make a game with John. Anything that has to do with that should probably be between John and I and all the other idiotic remarks should be kept to themselves. The only reason I haven't been trying to make the game via PM is because I want everyone to see that John is the one that is scared and doesn't want to play.

 

[crawfish]

Once again, you guys have totally left me unmentioned. Thanks a lot peckerheads.

 

[spanky79]

Yeah, all those guys who Ronnie robbed and rubbed it in afterwards. He was always egging guys to play, and offering weight. I do a little commentary myself and I guess you could call me old school. I happen to like Ronnie between these two. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see it the way I see it.

The Ronnie of the 70's would have Efren shaking his head and digging into his wallet.

Jay i respect your opinion, but, Efren also shoots shots that most no one sees are there and his cue ball is better than being on a string, it dances to a different beat.

But boy would it be fun to watch him play ronnie if they were both at there best. I GUESS WE CAN DREAM

 

[suprnva]

Once again, you guys have totally left me unmentioned. Thanks a lot peckerheads.

Best all-around player on Earth...crawfish!

 

[ulikastr8pool]

I read enough of it to see that you like to post a lot of bs.

I'm just surprised that people even bother to answer.

Let your friend get his own game and get back to the sidelines where you belong.

(I know you will feel the need to answer this because you've already posted about a million times in this thread on behalf of your boyfriend but I am just going to end my input here. Adios, cheesehead!)

Good post. Suprnva, you are a total clown. Give up the match maker gig, you are awful at it. Someone needs to give you a serious wedgie.

 

[suprnva]

Good post. Suprnva, you are a total clown. Give up the match maker gig, you are awful at it. Someone needs to give you a serious wedgie.

HAHAHA! The guy with 21 posts is jumping in and talking shit now. Do your parents know you're using the internet? It's pretty obvious you're only a child when you make comments about wedgies.

 

[Ktown D]

i just read the last 10 pages of this thread and now I want to go find a puppy to kick.

I would actually like to see JS and LN match up in a best 3 of 5 type set (including 14.1) but all of this silly shit is mind-numbing. John is a proven champion and larry is as talented as anyone in the country IMO, maybe we should just leave it at that.

 

[beav99_4life]

i just read the last 10 pages of this thread and now I want to go find a puppy to kick.

I would actually like to see JS and LN match up in a best 3 of 5 type set (including 14.1) but all of this silly shit is mind-numbing. John is a proven champion and larry is as talented as anyone in the country IMO, maybe we should just leave it at that.

Same here, but I punched a baby unicorn in the face instead.

 

[sunnyone]

woo woo!

being a newbie and -- probably worse! a gurl -- i have been reading this discussion with fascination!

i love the -- what is it you call it? -- woofing!

on the playground, i was probably as good a woofer as any boy! maybe better!

but what tugs at my heartstrings is the 'all time best' argument. my dad has season tickets to the yankees and the giants. my bf, the mets and the jets. my mom and i just pray for civil discourse!

if i could enter a sidebar 'all time greatest' thread ...

tenors:

jan peerce

luciano pavoarotti

ernico caruso

the weight of this argument is blessed because recordings of all three are extant. yes, different technologies, different orchestras, but still ... any voice that can drown out 87 instruments should rank up there with efren. or ronnie, though i don't know who he is?

woof on!

sunny

 

[LAMas]

being a newbie and -- probably worse! a gurl -- i have been reading this discussion with fascination!

i love the -- what is it you call it? -- woofing!

on the playground, i was probably as good a woofer as any boy! maybe better!

but what tugs at my heartstrings is the 'all time best' argument. my dad has season tickets to the yankees and the giants. my bf, the mets and the jets. my mom and i just pray for civil discourse!

if i could enter a sidebar 'all time greatest' thread ...

tenors:

jan peerce

luciano pavoarotti

ernico caruso

the weight of this argument is blessed because recordings of all three are extant. yes, different technologies, different orchestras, but still ... any voice that can drown out 87 instruments should rank up there with efren. or ronnie, though i don't know who he is?

woof on!

sunny

You didn't mention A. Bocelli who without a mike and amplifiers like this thread wouldn't have a voice or an audience.

Who or which? Efren or Ronnie or both?:smile:

Woof.

 

[donny mills]

being a newbie and -- probably worse! a gurl -- i have been reading this discussion with fascination!

i love the -- what is it you call it? -- woofing!

on the playground, i was probably as good a woofer as any boy! maybe better!

but what tugs at my heartstrings is the 'all time best' argument. my dad has season tickets to the yankees and the giants. my bf, the mets and the jets. my mom and i just pray for civil discourse!

if i could enter a sidebar 'all time greatest' thread ...

tenors:

jan peerce

luciano pavoarotti

ernico caruso

the weight of this argument is blessed because recordings of all three are extant. yes, different technologies, different orchestras, but still ... any voice that can drown out 87 instruments should rank up there with efren. or ronnie, though i don't know who he is?

woof on!

sunny

I'll tell em...

 

[JCIN]

John,

Larry just called me. You've got the best action of your life if you want it. Here's the offer:

You do Larry's job for 1 month and hit the same amount of balls that he does in that month. Then, at the end of the month you and he will play ALL the games. 14.1, 9-ball, 10-ball, 8-ball, one-pocket, banks, snooker and 3-cushion. Whoever loses the most sets playing all the games has to agree to never play a pro tour event again. If that person does play one, it's a $20k fine. Larry will agree to have this written up by a lawyer if you'd like as well.

I don't think there's a better way to find out who's got more talent than this. Put up or shut up.

-Patrick

LOL.

Whats next?

"You have to live in my house for 5 years. Then we play a race to million in every known game on earth. Loser dies."

This is getting ghey. Funny but ghey.

 

[markpatrick]

Terms of Endearment

LOL.

Whats next?

"You have to live in my house for 5 years. Then we play a race to million in every known game on earth. Loser dies."

This is getting ghey. Funny but ghey.

U my friend are whom the Terms of Endearment mini series was based on.

ONE ANSWER::::::::::::::::::::::;
Open you pocket books.


SVB.....

 

[beav99_4life]

LOL.

Whats next?

"You have to live in my house for 5 years. Then we play a race to million in every known game on earth. Loser dies."

This is getting ghey. Funny but ghey.

J,
I challenge you to a race to 49 barbox 8 ball (I know its your favorite). But first you have to shadow me for a month. You have to consume 7000 unnecessary calories a day, watch 2-3 hours of internet porn of your choosing on a daily basis and use your water buffalo tag. Loser has to room with Schmidt and Harriman for a year. You down or are you scared?!!!