The way it really went down

[junior718]

What if I had the speaker option on when I had the conversation with Dippie, and Jay heard the conversation in it's entirety ? Would that also be hearsay? Also what is it that you feel about Jay that you would question his statement. Jay is a witness, and a good one, is there a problem with that?

Maybe you missed the post where Scott and I were with Dippie and I asked him where and what time he paid Scott, and he replied At the Aria Casino between 3:00 pm and 3:330 pm. Unfortunately for Dippie I was with Scott from 2:00 pm untill 7:00 pm. Does that shed some light on the matter?

Now that you know a little more about the situation, and you had to bet body parts on if Dippie paid or not, what would you do? Be careful there maybe more than $50,000 at stake if you make the wrong choice and pick the wrong side.

I have been reading thru and didn't see anything about a speaker phone. I must have missed it. I definetly missed the meeting up part. I'm not choosing sides. Didnt say if anyone was wrong or right. I appologize to you if you thought I was saying anyone was wrong. I guess its kinda hard to keep up with so many posts. But if there was no speaker phone (which I thought), then yes it is hearsay. It doesn't matter Jay's reputation or not. Nothing against Jay.

 

[DRW]

Rhino

Am I the only one that thinks that line is extremely sad, if it is true

Hey Don, those lap dances at the Rhino ain't cheap.

 

[junior718]

Billy. I got a question for you. Do you feel this thread is the right way to handle things? Do you not feel Lenny jumped the gun here? If I was owed $50k I would not make it public knowledge and a public discussion if I wanted my money back.

 

[cuesmith]

No I read that. But Jay wasnt the one listening to what Dippy was saying. He was only standing next to Billy during the conversation. I'm not saying Jay cant read between the lines but it is still just hearsay isnt it?

Well I'm not a lawyer but I watch a lot of them on TV. :yeah:

From what I've gathered, if Dave told Billy something on the phone and Billy told Jay what he said, that would be hearsay. But if Jay heard it with his own 2 ears it would be witnessing the conversation.

 

[junior718]

Well I'm not a lawyer but I watch a lot of them on TV. :yeah:

From what I've gathered, if Dave told Billy something on the phone and Billy told Jay what he said, that would be hearsay. But if Jay heard it with his own 2 ears it would be witnessing the conversation.

Yes that is my point exactly. The way I took Jay's explaination is that Billy was on the phone and Jay was standing next to him hearing half the conversation. Sorry if I misunderstood guys. I shouldnt even posted in the first place because none of it is even my business. Nor anyone elses besides the parties involved.

 

[Underclocked]

I guess the thing that most confuses me is the open discussion (almost casually) about a match between Billy and Dippy... why would anyone match up with a man without honor - a man that might or might not pay off if he loses? Yes I saw the "post the money" stipulation, but if I felt as positively that Dippy had stiffed me for ANY amount, there is no way I would put any money up against him until all debts are settled (and maybe not even then).

As for the rest, I would say Dippy should count himself lucky that he still has legs to stand on while he spews BS.

 

[wincardona]

I have been reading thru and didn't see anything about a speaker phone. I must have missed it. I definetly missed the meeting up part. I'm not choosing sides. Didnt say if anyone was wrong or right. I appologize to you if you thought I was saying anyone was wrong. I guess its kinda hard to keep up with so many posts. But if there was no speaker phone (which I thought), then yes it is hearsay. It doesn't matter Jay's reputation or not. Nothing against Jay.

Hearsay is admissable if the stements are true and from a reliable source, and to believed to be not fabricated.

The speakerphone option was not on. There are times when you need not go outside to know what the weather is like. :grin-square:

 

[MikeM]

Can someone please give me the short version of this? Maybe quote some of the highlights or link to the exact post.

Thanks in advance.

Scott takes first two sets netting - if my math is correct - $100K for his team ($22K per for Scott, $22K per for Billy, and $4K per for Lenny). Everything's cool.

Dippy says let's play one more @ $50K but I only have my Rolex and $25K on me. Billy agrees.

Scott goes up 14 in a 15 ahead race and has a contested shot for the match. Bartram is called as ref and calls hit good. Everyone agrees but DD who digs in his heels and says no good. Things get a little crazy, but Billy gets Scott to spot the nine and keep playing. Scott goes on tilt and DD gets back in the game even going up a few games.

At this point, according to Dippy, Scott's camp starts "pulling moves" - leaving a door open to increase the humidity, handling the ball with wet hands to intentionally neutralize the break and BIH spot, spitting at Dippy, etc. Instead of pulling up, DD soldiers on only to fade and Scott pulls out the victory.

DD leaves without paying the $25K and Rolex says he'll get the money to Scott and Co. but apparently changes his mind due to the "moves". He begins to torture and ridicule the Freezer even going so far as to repossess a vehicle that he supposedly sold to Scott weeks before though he never signed over the title.

Scott runs out of patience, hires some Samoan muscle who holds DD down on a pool table while Scott checks his pockets for dough. Cops are called and eventually everyone goes home unhappy.

Reading between the lines we are now at the point where Dippy is thumbing his nose at Scott, will not pay the $50K and Scott's syndicate has turned to the AZB court of public opinion and the poker world's disdain of welching to pressure Viffer to not be a stiffer.

I think I've captured it fairly well. Only took about three hours of reading to get there.

MM

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Billy. I got a question for you. Do you feel this thread is the right way to handle things? Do you not feel Lenny jumped the gun here? If I was owed $50k I would not make it public knowledge and a public discussion if I wanted my money back.

Best post so far

I've been/am in a situation owed 50k myself, and I could have made a hell for the person ruin his social life.

I've kept it between the two of us, and is getting an envelope every now and then.

 

[oldzilla]

Yes, and even as respected as Jay is, it would be inadmissible in court.

This is nowhere as simple as believing either side. It needs to be independently and throughly investigated by professionals before all the facts are revealed and any conclusions are drawn.

This thread is for entertainment purposes only (and maybe for promoting some more action).

J

here is the guy you need !

 

[ShootingArts]

Money talks

I guess the thing that most confuses me is the open discussion (almost casually) about a match between Billy and Dippy... why would anyone match up with a man without honor - a man that might or might not pay off if he loses? Yes I saw the "post the money" stipulation, but if I felt as positively that Dippy had stiffed me for ANY amount, there is no way I would put any money up against him until all debts are settled (and maybe not even then).

As for the rest, I would say Dippy should count himself lucky that he still has legs to stand on while he spews BS.

Money talks. It don't sing and it don't dance and it don't walk but money talks!

Hu

 

[houmatroy]

Scott takes first two sets netting - if my math is correct - $100K for his team ($22K per for Scott, $22K per for Billy, and $4K per for Lenny). Everything's cool.

Dippy says let's play one more @ $50K but I only have my Rolex and $25K on me. Billy agrees.

Scott goes up 14 in a 15 ahead race and has a contested shot for the match. Bartram is called as ref and calls hit good. Everyone agrees but DD who digs in his heels and says no good. Things get a little crazy, but Billy gets Scott to spot the nine and keep playing. Scott goes on tilt and DD gets back in the game even going up a few games.

At this point, according to Dippy, Scott's camp starts "pulling moves" - leaving a door open to increase the humidity, handling the ball with wet hands to intentionally neutralize the break and BIH spot, spitting at Dippy, etc. Instead of pulling up, DD soldiers on only to fade and Scott pulls out the victory.

DD leaves without paying the $25K and Rolex says he'll get the money to Scott and Co. but apparently changes his mind due to the "moves". He begins to torture and ridicule the Freezer even going so far as to repossess a vehicle that he supposedly sold to Scott weeks before though he never signed over the title.

Scott runs out of patience, hires some Samoan muscle who holds DD down on a pool table while Scott checks his pockets for dough. Cops are called and eventually everyone goes home unhappy.

Reading between the lines we are now at the point where Dippy is thumbing his nose at Scott, will not pay the $50K and Scott's syndicate has turned to the AZB court of public opinion and the poker world's disdain of welching to pressure Viffer to not be a stiffer.

I think I've captured it fairly well. Only took about three hours of reading to get there.

MM

ummm everything sounds pretty close cept the mathc part 22k plus 22k plus 4k is a lil short of 100k..lol

 

[cleary]

Billy. I got a question for you. Do you feel this thread is the right way to handle things? Do you not feel Lenny jumped the gun here? If I was owed $50k I would not make it public knowledge and a public discussion if I wanted my money back.

I agree, it doesn't help his cause. On one hand if Dippy skipped on the bill, it should be known. Anyone willing to play for that kind of money against him might wanna know that information. But the public forum isn't the best way to spread the word. The information will make its way around to the right people without all of this. 99% of the people in this thread don't need to know anything about it. I've known about this for a little while now as Im sure a lot of people have.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Scott takes first two sets netting - if my math is correct - $100K for his team ($22K per for Scott, $22K per for Billy, and $4K per for Lenny). Everything's cool.

Dippy says let's play one more @ $50K but I only have my Rolex and $25K on me. Billy agrees.

Scott goes up 14 in a 15 ahead race and has a contested shot for the match. Bartram is called as ref and calls hit good. Everyone agrees but DD who digs in his heels and says no good. Things get a little crazy, but Billy gets Scott to spot the nine and keep playing. Scott goes on tilt and DD gets back in the game even going up a few games.

At this point, according to Dippy, Scott's camp starts "pulling moves" - leaving a door open to increase the humidity, handling the ball with wet hands to intentionally neutralize the break and BIH spot, spitting at Dippy, etc. Instead of pulling up, DD soldiers on only to fade and Scott pulls out the victory.

DD leaves without paying the $25K and Rolex says he'll get the money to Scott and Co. but apparently changes his mind due to the "moves". He begins to torture and ridicule the Freezer even going so far as to repossess a vehicle that he supposedly sold to Scott weeks before though he never signed over the title.

Scott runs out of patience, hires some Samoan muscle who holds DD down on a pool table while Scott checks his pockets for dough. Cops are called and eventually everyone goes home unhappy.

Reading between the lines we are now at the point where Dippy is thumbing his nose at Scott, will not pay the $50K and Scott's syndicate has turned to the AZB court of public opinion and the poker world's disdain of welching to pressure Viffer to not be a stiffer.

I think I've captured it fairly well. Only took about three hours of reading to get there.

MM

Decent enough summation, though DD has not outright admitted to welching on the last $50K. And you need to check your math. :grin-square:

 

[wincardona]

Billy. I got a question for you. Do you feel this thread is the right way to handle things? Do you not feel Lenny jumped the gun here? If I was owed $50k I would not make it public knowledge and a public discussion if I wanted my money back.

Do you think that this was our first option? I hope not, we would like to have more credit than that, as a matter of fact this was our last option, this didn't happen a few days ago it's been weeks since the initial dispute started. No gun jumping here. And furthermore this thread is about much more than trying to collect a debt, it has to do more with making sure you know who your gambling with and what coud happen if you don't. I think it would be safe to say that people are much more educated about gambling and procedures, and on how to handle certain situations now then they were before this thread started. And for those who feel that Dippie has been judged too badly, to you good luck, you're probably gonna need it.:grin:

 

[JAM]

Well, Mr. Incardona, I don't have any stake here at all and you can completely ignore me if you wish, but I definitely took your post #199 as if you were condoning cheating as well. What else could you mean by it? Bad racking, moving a ball, peeking at cards - ALL cheating right? Not an "edge" but cheating.

But you seem to be saying that if the opponent doesn't put a stop to it it's OK. That if it isn't called it's not cheating. Am I misreading this or not?

Isn't it still cheating even if the opponent doesn't mention it until the match is over and then stiffs the winner to prove his point? It's still cheating right? And once you've cheated you forfeit all expectations of getting a reward for it - IMO.


MM

If getting an "edge" is cheating, then I think the pro tournaments I have attended are full of cheaters.

Watch them rack the balls. Some of pool's brightest stars today are rack riggers. Yeah, that's right. Rack riggers. :angry:

I won't even get into the finger lickers. They try to be so discreet with their licking.

These activities happen at professional pool tournaments. Call it getting the edge or call it cheating. It happens.

I was at a local regional tournament watching the rack riggers. I went up to the TD and asked if they could stop it. The TD said if the opponent of the rack rigger doesn't check the rack and the rack is a set-up, then it's legal. In other words, they can rack 'em with gaps, lick their balls, do whatever they want when they're standing there racking. As long as their opponent doesn't say a word about it, it's legal.

 

[ironman]

I disagree with you here. How did Scott beat him for the Max? By acting like an idiot and making moves only cost him many future games with Dippy. He probably cost you future games and potential LARGE winnings as well. It sounds like Dippy enjoys playing pool against these champions for BIG money for enjoyment. Now if you turn his enjoyment into misery it can cost you 50k worth of winnings

then what should be done about that. Bill and Scott are the victims here!

 

[junior718]

Do you think that this was our first option? I hope not, we would like to have more credit than that, as a matter of fact this was our last option, this didn't happen a few days ago it's been weeks since the initial dispute started. No gun jumping here. And furthermore this thread is about much more than trying to collect a debt, it has to do more with making sure you know who your gambling with and what coud happen if you don't. I think it would be safe to say that people are much more educated about gambling and procedures, and on how to handle certain situations now then they were before this thread started. And for those who feel that Dippie has been judged too badly, to you good luck, you're probably gonna need it.:grin:

Meanwhile you are trying to match up with the guy.

 

[JAM]

Meanwhile you are trying to match up with the guy.

The slogan of The Washington Post is this: If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

 

[houmatroy]

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I was at a local regional tournament watching the rack riggers. In other words, they can rack 'em with gaps, lick their balls,

Must have been a bunch of dogs in the tourney....They are the only ones that I know of that can perform this task....lol:grin: