The way it really went down

[jrackman]

For what it's worth. I was staying in the whale suite, not Scott. Scott had blown some money at the Aria at least 10 days prior to beating Dippie at the end. The Aria gave Scott the whale suite and I stayed in it for 5 days, then Scott beat Dippie and got stiffed. So for those who believe that Dippie paid Scott and Scott blew the money at the Aria and the Aria gave him the whale suite, well that's not going to fly, just like all the other bullshit Dippies been giving us.

Remember people, when I met Dippie with Scott to collect the $55,000 he owed Dippie said to me he paid Scott. I put Dippie on the spot when I asked him where and WHAT TIME of the day he paid Scott.He answered and said to me " I paid Scott yesterday" I asked him WHAT TIME did you pay Scott, he opened his cell phone up looked into it and said "between 3:00 pm to 3:30 pm " That's when I knew he was lying FOR SURE. There are two reasons why he had to be lying #1 If you look into your cell phone at your text messages it tells you an exact time like 3:34 pm or maybe 3:56 pm, it doesn't show between 3:00 pm to 3:30 pm. Get it
# 2 reason I was with Scott from 2:00 pm to 7:00 pm so I would of seen him pay Scott.:sorry:

Then Dippie said " couldn't Scott have gotten away from Billy

for the briefest of time and met me at the valet without Billy noticing it" Not likely at all. He would of have to of met Dippie at the valet got paid the money and then went to his room stashed the money and returned. Yea right.:yeah: That woud of taken at least 1/2 hr. there is no chance that that happened, we were together constantly.

Give me a break, he flat out stiffed everyone and played the Scott integrity against his integrity card,:deadhorse figuring he had a shot to get over.

I know Scott's no angel but in this deal compared to Dippie he looks like Mother Theresa. :angel2:

Momma T.... Billy you can't even go there when you mention Scott...just saying again..but I mean it

 

[derekdisco]

By the time I catch up on the thread its usually around this time, (2-3 am) so please excuse me if I misinterpreted your previous posts on either subject.

It seemed to me that you were all buddy buddy with viffer while in Vegas and then it seemed you also believed that he stiffed Scott.

Again, if I misread/read too far into something, my apologies.

Its ok, I only went to the pool room 1 night while I was in vegas for 5 nights. And in this thread, ive posted maybe 12 times, 8 of those were just pictures, and I brought up the idea that scott blew the 50k way back on page 8 or something. Since I dont know all the facts, ive known about this situation for about 3 weeks, and the whole time its been in my opinion that David is in the right.

But like I said, no hard feelings bro.

 

[Madatmoney]

i will continue to hold you responsible for scotts actions since he said you were the ones pulling the strings, harry said you were the one that contacted him so i assume you also want to be involved.



get markus to give me the 4 and win alot more, thats all.

and if scott writes an apology for all the bad he has done to the world and repents i will see to it he gets a nice truck to drive.
anyways im off to the beaches. Ill be spending the rest of the month on a quiet island in france or somewhere like that with a buety,

I saw that coming from a mile away. I was just telling a member today that I bet that was you're next move. That one last humiliation for him to suffer.

The funny part is that once he did that out of desparation.......You would say fvck off and not do anything for him. And then use that as an example to support you're overall arguement about Scott and his trustworthiness.

You would LOVE to do that wouldn't you?

 

[D_Lewis]

Its ok, I only went to the pool room 1 night while I was in vegas for 5 nights. And in this thread, ive posted maybe 12 times, 8 of those were just pictures, and I brought up the idea that scott blew the 50k way back on page 8 or something. Since I dont know all the facts, ive known about this situation for about 3 weeks, and the whole time its been in my opinion that David is in the right.

But like I said, no hard feelings bro.

I would like to publicly apologize and nominate Derek Disco for Man of the Year.

I posted something similar about losing the cash and then saying he was never paid also.

Time will tell.

 

[JCIN]

He's out over $350,000 and losing 15-4, 16-4...wake up here people

Damn. I didnt know that. That totally ruins my completely serious idea for a pool tournament.

 

[JasonCrugar]

holy crap i have read every page of this thread. my eyes are blurry and im hungry. thought everyone should know LOL.

 

[jrackman]

I am amazed you guys would even want to go to court with him. It will be funny explaining why the truck was paid for with cash and why would you want it on record on how much money you earned in a gambling match unless you plan on paying taxes on all of it. I am sure you want to pay your taxes on it--so it does make sense. Where Dippy went wrong is that when the moves were made on him during the last set--he should have just pulled up immediately.

You don't get it? it's a pool pLayers dream....were all dreaming and when we wake up I hope Billy is OK as I'm up in the age also...I think someone missed the bank. And its gotta suck to be freezin in Vegas this time of year......JMO and it means nothing...JMO

 

[DrawtheRock]

Dream

You don't get it? it's a pool pLayers dream....were all dreaming and when we wake up I hope Billy is OK as I'm up in the age also...I think someone missed the bank. And its gotta suck to be freezin in Vegas this time of year......JMO and it means nothing...JMO

Court just sounds funny.

I also dont think it is legal to be on the pool match. I think it is legal between Scott and Dave as they were playing a game of skill, but I am almost sure that Billy betting on the match is not.

Judge Judy should have this case

 

[The Saw]

Court just sounds funny.

I also dont think it is legal to be on the pool match. I think it is legal between Scott and Dave as they were playing a game of skill, but I am almost sure that Billy betting on the match is not.

Judge Judy should have this case

That is the dumbest part of all of this.... Billy, Scott and Lenny are doing all of this barking on a public forum about a 50k debt and advertising that they got paid 100k, plus Scott won more off of Dippy before all of this went on staking Gabe. Now they're dumb enough to get a lawyer involved and threaten taking it to court.... Anyone in your brain trust ever think that by advertising all of this that it may draw the attention of the IRS and that they may have questions about where your money came from? Or even worse, if they put a forensic accountant on you for a look see?

I don't care which side you look at on this one but there are bad moves everywhere.... Worst of all from hustlers who should know to move better.....

 

[jrackman]

Damn. I didnt know that. That totally ruins my completely serious idea for a pool tournament.

Damm! does this mean you won't stream it to me? My loss again.....Open mouth insert wife's... Damm she's fast[/B]

 

[DRW]

Finally

I'm finally at the last page and I'm running away from the computer before another starts. I can't see and I have a crappy chair and my ass hurts. Good night.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

I think you might mean cower? You were kind of close....lol:thumbup:

cower - show submission or fear

Nothing personal here, but it made me laugh seeing you give a lesson on grammar after I had just read your previous post:

Dippy.....Have you're fun and then settle man. It's not worth watching you're back for the rest of you're life. It's just not worth it.

Again, I'm not trying to insult you, it just made me laugh.

 

[JAM]

Scott didn't hire anybody. The "goon" was a friend. Sheesh!
Let's not get too melodramatic here. :grin:

DD, I said it before and I'll say it again. I love the fact that
you have infused a new life in the pool world, playing for that
big money. You and your poker-playing blue-blooded friends
may think so-called "pool hustlers" are degenerates, but pool,
whether you know it or not, is considered a gentleman's game
in some circles. It might not be in the poker circles because
we all know how much cheating goes on there with the online
poker bots, card mechanics, et cetera.:angry:

I've thought long and hard about this. I know the pool entities
involved here, but it doesn't matter what I think. I have no stake
in this. I will say this. It ain't going away.

Restraining orders and fraud? Well, guess what? The only person
who's going to pocket any cheese in this mess will be the lawyer.
I don't see jail time, but you never know. Depends on the judge.

It is a shame that all parties can't sit down and settle this with
an agreement. Put an end to this nightmare that keeps getting
worse and worse. :wink:

Can you make that picture a little smaller, DD? It's taking up
the whole screen making one have to scroll left to right to read
the thread.

 

[JAM]

ONce again after scott tried to robb me i took his truck, take me to court scott, please!!!!!!!!! hope we get a woman judge and she finds out how you treat women.

DD, I don't want to see it go to court. My experience in the court arena is that nobody will win.
You and Scott both could face consequences that may not be pleasant.

Settle, settle, settle. Put an end to this so that YOU and the other parties are satsified.
This is what lawyers do, make consessions, to avoid consequences that could be more damaging.

That damn picture of DD's is too big for this thread.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

From the pokerforum:

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Re: Viffer accused by pool players of stiffing them for $50K

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they played june 14-15th

i watched most of the first set, very funny thing was the first game i saw frost won, he moved his bead above the table (used to keep score), he racked the balls, then moved another bead signifying that he'd won two games when in reality he just won one. I used to be around the poolhalls 5-10 years ago, and i laughed to myself thinking "nothing's changed" from the poolhall. anyways, like two shots into the next game viffer looks at the score and mentions to scott that he thinks the scores wrong and asks if he moved his bead twice by mistake or whatever, scott of course says he doesnt think so, and then proceeds to ask a group of guys on the rail if he moved it twice or if the score is wrong, they play dumb and say they didnt see anything. well, obv later realize that the group he asked on the rail was part of his entourage. I couldnt speak up and correct the mistake because i wasnt involved in the game and scott didnt ask me (trust me, u arent allowed to get involved from the rail on a dispute unless the players specifically ask u or maybe u are backing the game or something, sounds silly and wrong but its considered bad pool/gambling etiquette). I just kept my mouth shut and watched the rest of the set.So anyways, i dont even think viffer won a game after that, it was painful to watch, viffer had no chance (viffer isnt gonna have any chance vs a pool player pretty much ever cuz they are mostly just nuthunters and are just gonna give enough weight to still win safely). the extra game Frost got didnt really matter cuz he woulda won anyways sooner or later, but i guess technically and ironically, viffer never lost the original set, but i guess poolroom rules he didnt catch it then, so snooze u loose etc.

they finished the set, viffer paid from a big bag on the light (kinda dangerous if some armed thugs found out about that kinda money in that little shopping center). viffer was i think wanting to adjust slightly and get another game spot in a 15 ahead set (which one more game wouldnt really give him a chance anyways) and scott had to wait for billy incardona to get there to raise the bet for some reason even though he just got paid like 40 or 50k or whatever (maybe railbirds had part of it who knows). viffer wanted to play etc and was wanting to bet the rail 10k more, i obv wanted to bet cuz it was basically free money but couldnt cuz i had to get some rest for whatever wsop tourney was the next day and didnt wanna risk the numerous potential ways i could get screwed if i left while i had a bet in progress. finally billy got there and they bet whatever viffer wanted and maybe adjusted the game slightly. i watched a little bit and left and heard a week or so later that viffer stiffed em for like 50k from a few ppl.

anyways, there are only two possible scenarios.

1. viffer paid scott, and he blew it or whatever and lied to billy.

2. viffer just stiffed them for whatever reason.

there is no way billy got paid and lied about it. as someone mentioned, would be silly logic to shake someone down for a debt that's already been paid

i dont know viffer or scott, only thing i know of scott firsthand is seeing him move his bead twice and essentially cheat viffer out of a game he didnt win. now he coulda done it by accident from being ****ed up or just honest mistake, however i doubt it simply cuz when i played pool i always knew scores of sets in my head and its hard to bellieve a top level player didnt realize the score was wrong. ive been away from pool for a long time and hear stories here and there about players doing this or that, or dumping backers etc. ive heard little things about scott, but nothing that i could judge his character or honor on (im sure i could make calls and get better picture of his integrity but i really dont care). so basically no reads on frost other than the stealing of one game vs viffer intentional, or unintentional.

I dont personally know billy, but he is an important person in pool and has been around forever. now dont get me wrong, most pool players are snakes and/or pieces of sht in general. most arent very trustworthy etc. U have to generally be deceptive in pool, hustle, conceal your speed etc. in general to have a chance to make any money in pool, and most do far worse. But, there are some that sorta believe in the "honor among thieves" logic, and i think Billy Incardona definately falls into this category. Billy has a pretty decent reputation or at least really good one relative to the pool world. Of course hes gonna match up nitty/tough and try to win the money or bring in pool players to trap other ones and the usual stuff that happens in pool, but i dont think Billy is a crook or anything. ive heard little things that are typical in the pool world about him, but never of him ripping anyone off or not honoring a bet or anything super out of line.

anyways, im not one for writing off debts etc. but if viffer or someone taht lost a crazy amount to me when they essentially had no chance to win, id probably consider it free money and a bonus of any money i got paid on the debt, id probably just let him buyout for half or a third or something reasonable (mainly hoping to play him more ) as long as he wasnt a pric about it etc which allegedly might be the case with the valet stuff.

i dont know if viffer stiffed them, or if he did what reasons he had to justify it, i left so i dont know what happened after that. but if scott blew the money or part of it etc, i doubt hed ever own up to it with billy cuz billy isnt the type of person u wanna fk over for several reasons.

sidenote: viffer should stop playing these nuthunting pool champions and play me , ive been playing poker for a living for 7.5 years and stopped pool 5 years ago, so he actually has chance to win vs me, i have my own money and super baller friends if i need more to bet

anyways, shtty situation and i hope it gets resolved without any bloodshed etc


another sidenote: why is jean robert bellande such a degen gambler in poker with last longers and crazy cash game swings but such a nit in pool lol? Bobby, step up and play me and u might get a little closer to that mil

 

[JAM]

For what it's worth. I was staying in the whale suite, not Scott. Scott had blown some money at the Aria at least 10 days prior to beating Dippie at the end. The Aria gave Scott the whale suite and I stayed in it for 5 days, then Scott beat Dippie and got stiffed. So for those who believe that Dippie paid Scott and Scott blew the money at the Aria and the Aria gave him the whale suite, well that's not going to fly, just like all the other bullshit Dippies been giving us.

Remember people, when I met Dippie with Scott to collect the $55,000 he owed Dippie said to me he paid Scott. I put Dippie on the spot when I asked him where and WHAT TIME of the day he paid Scott.He answered and said to me " I paid Scott yesterday" I asked him WHAT TIME did you pay Scott, he opened his cell phone up looked into it and said "between 3:00 pm to 3:30 pm " That's when I knew he was lying FOR SURE. There are two reasons why he had to be lying #1 If you look into your cell phone at your text messages it tells you an exact time like 3:34 pm or maybe 3:56 pm, it doesn't show between 3:00 pm to 3:30 pm. Get it
# 2 reason I was with Scott from 2:00 pm to 7:00 pm so I would of seen him pay Scott.:sorry:

Then Dippie said " couldn't Scott have gotten away from Billy

for the briefest of time and met me at the valet without Billy noticing it" Not likely at all. He would of have to of met Dippie at the valet got paid the money and then went to his room stashed the money and returned. Yea right.:yeah: That woud of taken at least 1/2 hr. there is no chance that that happened, we were together constantly.

Give me a break, he flat out stiffed everyone and played the Scott integrity against his integrity card,:deadhorse figuring he had a shot to get over.

I know Scott's no angel but in this deal compared to Dippie he looks like Mother Theresa. :angel2:

This is what happened, right from the horse's mouth.

Billy was there, but none of us on this thread were, other than DD.

I believe Billy. Knowing his reputation in the pool world, he would
not involve himself in this mess if he thought there was any
hanky panky on Scott's end.

 

[JAM]

JAM, I'll give you your cut only at First Break and only if you bring a certain significant other with you.

Better yet - if Dave wants to have a little fun with this thread he can put the money in the middle and I'll play that significant other with the same spot DD was getting from Scott!:thumbup:

Call my people and let me know!!!:wink:

Mike

First Break is the last pool room in the D.C. area that's a "real" pool room. Sad to say but true.

I just might take you up on that offer. The horse is leaving the barn later this month, and Elvis just might enter the building!

 

[nathandumoulin]

From the pokerforum:

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Re: Viffer accused by pool players of stiffing them for $50K

I watched most of the first set...

That may very well be one of the best posts of the thread, and it was posted on a completely different forum. This person is a very level headed individual who is not as quick to jump to conclusions as everyone seems to be around here. :thumbup:

 

[JAM]

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Tell everyone how you had Scott running from the front of the casino to the back and then to the craps table to meet you for the money, you pushed and pushed him and were punking him. At this point with what you have done and said on here, I am sure many would not have shown as much restraint.

This right here is when it elevated to a fever pitch, and there's
only one person to blame.

 

[Fast Lenny]

maybe this is karma catching up to scott, i mean he had to know i would get the truck.

as for you insinuating

I think you got off pretty easy really, as of now anyway, hopefully it all ends here with you just being Viffer the Stiffer.

im just happy if someone gets to me i dont have a wife or kids they could hurt. so i will happily accept responsibilty for my actions.

You have gotten off easily in my opinion. I could really care less at this point about you or this whole mess really. As I said it was not enough money for me to get hot about or get my blood pressure up over one bit, I am very calm and just going about my life. Just because you feel this is karma for Scott does not mean you can play God, I know in the end you will be paid back for the things you have done being vindictive.

As for your insinuations, I am not worried or scared, been in worse places with badder people. As I said before, hopefully it all ends here period, everyone involved has lost including you whether you realize it or not. I think you and Scott's lives are worth more then 60k, you guys are big boys, handle it how you like. If people want to misinterpret what I am writing then sorry but my post are not meant to be threatening, just saying messing with peoples lives can cause you big problems and drama, when you think your winning with little games its game over. Take care Dippy.