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That is a very good question, "what happened to all those one dollars collected from N.U.T.S. and the APA", and the second question is with as many people who play pool, belong to pool leagues, etc.

When has not, or why have not the League Owners tried to get the companies Pool Player purchase products from, to support pool, those pool players who support them, by purchasing their products?

Here is the Valley of the Sun almost ever Bar, or sports Bars with a Pool Tables, and almost ever Pool Room sell Budweiser Beer, from Anheuser-Busch.

Don't see the Anheuser-Busch Distributor supporting Pool in the Valley.

Well , since you chose to attack Anheueser-Busch , maybe you need to review your history a little .

One of the APA's earliest names was the Busch League . Care to guess the sponsor ?
Remember it's Michelob Amber-Bock sponsorship ?
Remember the Molson sponsorship ?

We had the sponsorships , and we lost them . Because they were not getting what they felt was proper return on invested dollars .
 
Jennie is not suggesting that "pros" be handed money out a central pool to go to events. She is suggesting as many others have that it would be good to have a broad base contributing to funding a viable pro tour so that there are events to go to.

As for Golf and any other sport, those players trying to make their way on or onto the pro tour are out hustling for sponsors to "give" them money. Golf and Tennis both have "backers" who invest in the players and get a percentage of the winnings back.

In just about any sport the participants ask for and often get donations and sponsorships to fund their participation. And this is from little league to the big leagues.

The whole point of having a consistent pro tour is to establish a list of professional players, rank them and have rules to govern their play. Then there is SOMETHING for amateurs to climb towards. Then there can be a solid path from the amateur/league ranks into professional pool.

The IPT had the right idea. Unfortunately it had the wrong man funding the idea. If it had survived then the professional landscape would look very different today. It is my opinion that the leagues should take another look at the IPT's concept, scale it down, provide consistent funding and run with it.

If that were to happen then you can bet that a lot of people would be earning their spot.

Hi John,

Haven't seen you in a few and hope your still loving life in China. Please read my post #40 in this thread. The USAPL does exactly as several have recommended. Those who believe in the concept of leagues contributing to the pro side we need your support. CSI is also known and rightfully so, to be highly capable of managing and administering this sort of endeavor and you know we will make sure that money does go towards what we say it will.

:) Holly
 
Shame on you all. 9-Ball is RIGHT!

Some of you really crack me up!

To not want to give a dollar! Come on! You are acting as if it will kill you to donate 1 dollar to pro pool.

If pro pool had some organization it would be great to donate a dollar in some form or another. To help with the pro events or players who need help getting to events ect.

Also to help aspiring young players to make it to the pro level. Heck I would give a dollar a week if it helped the pro system work.

Remember this is the sport we love! So its up to us to help it grow!

I know plenty of pro players who give back to the sport in some form or another, so saying they don`t is pure heresay!

And if 1 dollar is going to kill ya then sure don`t give!


Sheesh!!! People loosen up!!!

H.P.
 
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Good thread and replies.

Sorry I have nothing to add but I just want to take a shot at the APA.

It was the one dollar donation that got me thinking.

What do you get when you take the Pool out of the APA?
 
You all don't seem to understand...

Good for you 9-Ball! I have read this whole thread and am amazed at what I am reading. You people - most professing to be amateur league players - would begrudge the pro fund $1??? You who budget at least $30-$100/night for league night so you can 'have a few' and 'have a good time'. And there is nothing wrong with that. What IS wrong is that you would spend that money without hesitation and would object to giving the pro fund a dollar/year. A dollar/week would be more appropriate (or more). Don't you all understand what the pro players have done for you? Most have no life outside pool, and if they do they spend the majority of their time away from the people they love, all to take a chance on a dream. In what other sport are the pros supported so poorly? Our top pros make less per year than most other sports' pros make per event. And you expect young players to want to play and get better? Most pros don't even want their kids to ever pick up a stick. 'They should take up a sport that offers them a decent opportunity to make a living' is their oft repeated response to the "Why not?" question, and many are encouraging their kids to take up golf or even poker. Without pros there are no top sponsors, and without top sponsors nothing ever gets any better. Pool rooms and bars can't make their expenses and can't afford to recover their tables or buy new equipment. Eventually, without new blood coming along to replace the elderly/dying players, they will all go under. Pool will go the way of Bridge and Canasta, and it will be rare to find someone under 60 that has ever played... Is that what you want? You can tell your grandchildren some day about a game people used to play on a big table with balls that you rolled into pockets... I want to spend my golden years watching the good young players battle for championships, not telling my descendents how we spent our time in the 'old days!'
 
.... Don't you all understand what the pro players have done for you? Most have no life outside pool, and if they do they spend the majority of their time away from the people they love, all to take a chance on a dream. ...!'

Bull
sheeeit!

You act like it is something done for the love of us? Jeezis!

They think it's ez-money for a while, then they realize the consequences of their choice when they have no job skills to market.

The World doesn't need people to play pool well!

I can go skiing now, the lesions are gone!
 
.... I have read this whole thread and am amazed at what I am reading. You people - most professing to be amateur league players - would begrudge the pro fund $1??? You who budget at least $30-$100/night for league night so you can 'have a few' and 'have a good time'. And there is nothing wrong with that. What IS wrong is that you would spend that money without hesitation and would object to giving the pro fund a dollar/year....

What nonsense. It is either a professional sport, or it is a charity, it cannot be both at the same time.

Dave
 
What nonsense. It is either a professional sport, or it is a charity, it cannot be both at the same time.

Dave

Well really the term professional sport is sort of an oxymoron. In a sense all professional sports are charities since we pay people to play games and entertain us.

It's not a donation if the leagues decide to channel money into a professional tour. It's an investment that is intended to bring a return which is much greater than the investment.

What would 10% growth mean to the leagues and the billiard industry as a whole?

Well seeing as how the last figure I saw on the size of the industry put it somewhere at $500,000,000, five hundred million dollars, and that was about six years or so ago, I guess 10% growth would mean another 50 million in revenue. If the billiard industry could achieve this with an investment into a solid tour with consistent television for say 2-10 million a year then obviously that would be pretty much a no brainer.

As for the league players themselves I wouldn't even bother to ask them. They don't get asked when the APA sponsors players and events and runs ads on national tv. No league player is ever asked to sign off on the investment decisions of the national office and there is no reason to start now.

It's a quarter, .50cts, or even a dollar a week per player per match. No league player's enjoyment of the league will suffer in the slightest from such a payment and the upside is that IF the investment pays off then the leagues themselves will be bigger and better.

No one is advocating that a bunch of money is taken from one group and just handed to another group. In between the second group will have to work very hard to earn it and provide benefits back to the first group.
 
This thread is the epitome of what's happening to professional pool today. Very revealing and I'm glad
to learn why professional pool still has one tire in the sand. :(

John, can you fix that sig line, pretty please? It is a wee bit too long.

Some folks don't have wide-screen monitors, and every time you post,
some have to scroll from left to right to read what people write.

If you can take the picture on the right and drop it below the picture
on the left, that would be a great help. I think it's a great sig line.
TIA, John (I hope).
 
Bull
sheeeit!

You act like it is something done for the love of us? Jeezis!

They think it's ez-money for a while, then they realize the consequences of their choice when they have no job skills to market.

The World doesn't need people to play pool well!

I can go skiing now, the lesions are gone!

Nice contribution here.Is this a pool forum?

Actually,isn't the forum and all the discussion here primarily about the world having many more people play well.
 
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I would donate or purchase by shares if the total amount accumulated reached a certain workable threshold.Say 500k.I would contribute $1000.00 the first year, and if that didn't work I'd try it again the next year,and the next.500 people x 1000.Doesn't seem out of reach.As a matter of fact that number may be low.

This could be a starting point.

I....want to make a difference
 
Jen,

Who's the pretty young lady in the "Joe Namath" jersey in your new avatar :wink:? Wow, that girl is HOT:)!!!

Maniac
 
Nice contribution here.Is this a pool forum?

Actually,isn't the forum and all the discussion here primarily about the world having many more people play well.


I hear you, and I agree that this forum is comprised of billiards enthusiasts.

I did come off as a bit sour, but I think my points can also be taken as a voice of reason. Since we all love pool (usually!), of course we all think the pros should get big bucks. It is called preaching to the choir.
 
Jen,

Who's the pretty young lady in the "Joe Namath" jersey in
your new avatar :wink:? Wow, that girl is HOT:)!!!

Maniac

You gotta good eye there, Maniac. That was a Joe Namath jersey.
I met him at a Halloween party and became an instant fan. :grin-square:

My childhood friend e-mailed me a bunch of scanned pics of me in the
old days yesterday, and I'm still having fun checking 'em out.
Here's my Halloween costume that year, with my then-BF. :grin-loving:
 

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You gotta good eye there, Maniac. That was a Joe Namath jersey.
I met him at a Halloween party and became an instant fan. :grin-square:

My childhood friend e-mailed me a bunch of scanned pics of me in the
old days yesterday, and I'm still having fun checking 'em out.
Here's my Halloween costume that year, with my then-BF. :grin-loving:

Heck, that ain't no costume your "then boyfriend" has on. Shucks ma'am, we ALL dress like that down here in Texas :rolleyes::grin:!!!

Maniac (never wears a cowboy hat)
 
Heck, that ain't no costume your "then boyfriend" has on. Shucks ma'am, we ALL dress like that down here in Texas :rolleyes::grin:!!!

Maniac (never wears a cowboy hat)

LOL! I loved that hat he was wearing. It's a Stetson, I think you call it. He paid a pretty penny for it, too. This picture is near and dear to me as he was my first "real" true love. He passed away about 7 years ago, and I was on the road. Nobody told me he was sick. RIP, John. :(
 
I think ALL of us pro's should get together and write up a proposal for some of these companies. In this proposal we need to show them what WE can do for them, not what they need to do from us.


DIng Ding Ding!!! I think you just nailed a big part of the pro problem!!
Without this attitude, how in the hell are the pros every going to sell it!!
 
Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday)

You gotta good eye there, Maniac. That was a Joe Namath jersey.
I met him at a Halloween party and became an instant fan. :grin-square:

My childhood friend e-mailed me a bunch of scanned pics of me in the
old days yesterday, and I'm still having fun checking 'em out.
Here's my Halloween costume that year, with my then-BF. :grin-loving:

Awww hell, there are a bunch of closet Mardi Gras dressers out there.

You'd fit in just fine at our party. I think one of the local pool rooms will be having some type of Mardi Gras tournament this next year, maybe CueSports down in Thibodaux (on the bar box :smile:) which won't be too far from the big party, so maybe you and the earthquake can come on down.
 
it is to bad. I believe that a lot of people in this game think on such a small scale. They are looking to make a quick buck and bail. Our sport is so torn apart, there are just too many avenues. The only way our sport can become big is with these leagues. In the proposal, we have to show them what can be done. They will be able to use our face, but not on products. They can associate our face with there "official pro tour" merchandise. If it is shown to league players that there is a decent career past the leagues than it would be worth going for it at a young age. There is absolutely no incentive for anyone to become a good pool player today, none. With careful planning something can happen. We pro players are valuable enough for a corporate company to do something, we just need all the league players to be watching.
 
I think ALL of us pro's should get together and write up a proposal for some of these companies. In this proposal we need to show them what WE can do for them, not what they need to do from us.

I thought I would throw my 2 cents in on this discussion.

As a business person, sports fan and pool fanatic I would love to see a pro tour get off the ground the right way.

You need to start small in order top get this off the ground.

Any long time sports fan will recall that 30-40 years ago, MLB players, NHL players ans NFL players did not make that much more than your average joe. They just got to play sports for a living. The big money did not come until TV revenue.

What a tour would need is a group of pros who would play as much for the love of the game as money because the money would not be that great in the first few years.

Players need to have the ability to win $70,000 or more a year but not have a guaranteed salary. They need to start this thing for the love of the game

The first part of the plan would involve a players comittee that would write up a plan and approach all leagues looking for $500,000 in sponsorhip money form all leagues combined. They would have to sell the idea of what the tour would do for the leagues (how many new members). They would have to commit to having a tour event at each of the leagues National Championships to help draw interest to it.

With this funding they hire a commissioner and he/she then hires 2 other staff to get this off the ground. The first 6 months are scheduling and planning and the next 3 are qualifying the tour pro's.

You need to start off by qualifying 64 pros. That could generate 500,000 in qualifying fees using another posters numbers. That plus the sponsorship money is enough to get the office going and build a sizeable advertising fund as well.

Schedule 20 events per year - each entry has a $300 entry fee for the 64 pro's and 32 wild card spots (32 spots X 16 qualifiers X 100 entry fee) generating a total of 70,000 per event. Thus you have a total purse of 1.4 million in the first year. Each event would pay out the top 24 with $20,000going to the winner.

The sponsorship money can be used to offset shortfalls or spent on advertising or kept as an asset for the business. In short the tour players are guaranteed their 1.4 million.

The second year, the top 32 tour money leaders keep their cards for a $500 fee and then you run 32 qualifiers again generating another 250,000 for the Tour.

They cycle has been started. With the proper promotion by the leagues, dedication and enthusiasm by the pro players, and some smart business planning by the comissioner, they cycle could continue and the yearly purses would increase. Eventually you get a Versus type cable network to pick up a few tour events and now you have a national stage.

The pro players would be encouraged to seek sponsors to help with travel costs and entry fees as ther WPBA players now have.

It could take 5 years but the cycle could soon be good enough to have 2-3 million or more purse for the players.

Just some thoughts from a Leagueguy
 
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