Derby City Favortism...

[SUPERSTAR]

Greg and Diamond take things like this thread personally, and WILL address the issues directly as mistakes made, and NOT to repeat them.

Glen

Um.
No offense, but this is just a load of BS.

This is 13 years of this already!!! 13 years of the same garbage, different day.

Believe me, they have heard the complaints over the years when it happens, and all those complaints have yet to produce any tangible results.

Name players do what they want, and non names get the shaft.

 

[AtLarge]

... Because after you put all the ass kissing of JA aside, Adam Wheeler got ripped off to the tune of $300 bucks because of it. ...

And possibly more than $300. We shouldn't just assume Adam would have lost in Round 8.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

And possibly more than $300. We shouldn't just assume Adam would have lost in Round 8.

Right, but $300 is the definite figure that would have resulted form the forfeit.

For all we know, Adam might have gotten a bunch of byes, or just sparked up everyone else in the field and won.

It terms of immediate cost, it's $300.
In terms of opportunity costs, you could argue it cost him 1st place.

 

[chipperd]

Just saying

I'm sure if the shoes were on the other foot, and Wheeler would have been on the clock for his and Johnny's match, he definitely would have been forfeited. And without a phone call. And it's not just $300, he another match or 2 and Adam's in the top ten. Not putting Archer down in any way, I know him personally, but, this is like not counting one his scratches. He fouled.

 

[realkingcobra]

Um.
No offense, but this is just a load of BS.

This is 13 years of this already!!! 13 years of the same garbage, different day.

Believe me, they have heard the complaints over the years when it happens, and all those complaints have yet to produce any tangible results.

Name players do what they want, and non names get the shaft.

IF...it were up to ME, I'd change the DCC 9ball event to a race to 21, two hour time limit, winner breaks, 60 sec time clock, magic rack to rack the balls, 10 games ahead an automatic win...and no double elimination format....only problem with that....would be the complaints about...."I had NO chance of wining against a Pro":wink: Then all matches could be started on time...everytime, and end on time as well...everytime!

 

[SUPERSTAR]

IF...it were up to ME, I'd change the DCC 9ball event to a race to 21, two hour time limit, winner breaks, 60 sec time clock, magic rack to rack the balls, 10 games ahead an automatic win...and no double elimination format....only problem with that....would be the complaints about...."I had NO chance of wining against a Pro":wink: Then all matches could be started on time...everytime, and end on time as well...everytime!

This response has absolutely no bearing on pros getting favored treatment at DCC.

The topic isn't a complaint about the format, it's a complaint about rules and how they are enforced.

 

[Melissa Herndon]

I've read all these posts...and all I have to say is, "The hardest jobs, are made easy by all those that do not have to do them" meaning...not ONE of you who would complain about how the DCC is ran...has done little more than SHOW UP, and then complain after the fact. NOT ONE of you assist in putting on, or preparing for this MAJOR event EVERY YEAR! Yet...you ALL run your mouths like YOU actually HAD something to do with the DCC! Trust me, there is NO favoritism at the DCC, although there is times when someone WILL slip through the cracks! I know everyone of the people involved with the DCC...and NOT ONE of them is on here COMPLAINING! If it were up to me, JA would have been forfeited, but...that's one of the cracks to work on...so is all the BS from the peanut gallery really needed? Or do we all work together and hope next years DCC is even better than this past DCC? For those of you who just can't seem to quit complaining about the FAVORITISM at the DCC....here's some advice for you....DON'T SHOW UP NEXT YEAR! It's this exact kind of BS that is tearing AZBilliards apart as a great world forum!

Glen

C'mon Glen. You don't know everyone on here...so you can't possibly know what we have or haven't done. I worked for the WPBA for several years...and I have been involved in running big events. No matter how hard the job is...no matter who is involved...the tournament officials need to enforce the rules. That IS making the event better...and I would bet money that the powers that be at the DCC are sitting up and taking notice of this thread and the consensus of feeling behind it.

Melissa

 

[Lance Link]

When he arrived...

...Archer could have apologized for the delay, asked Wheeler how he wanted to proceed, and respected his choice.

From reading this thread, Archer wasn't in a traffic jam, locked in a bathroom, or on a delayed flight. He was in the hotel room resting for the next match.

Frankly, the tournament officials should have called 'forfeit' after the clock ran out. Doesn't matter who Wheeler's opponent was.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Favoratism...

I'm a nobody, my opponent was a nobody. My opponent was not at match at start time. I went to desk after a few min to notify them. They called his name on PA. 20 min later, I went to desk, and they said he was forfeited.

They called his name ONCE.

Next story:
Mika and Frost were scheduled at 8PM to play one hole. I got there at 7:55 to get a good seat. Frost is around, but not at the table, and no sign of Mika. I think the match might have been pushed to 9PM due to the onepocket.org dinner (but that is speculation on my part), because Frost was just bullshi**ing with some people, and nowhere near the table.

9PM comes, and Frost comes to the table warming up. He goes to desk to say Mika is not there. The desk starts to call Mika. Frost sees that from the table (was the one next to tournament desk) and yells over why they are calling him, that's not their responsibility. The desk replies that they were going to remind Mika of his match, but the person who was doing the reminding forgot to call him, and that's why they were calling him now. Frost laughs and says, "must be nice". Mika shows up in about 20 min from then, and they play.

So, somehow Mika made an arrangement with one of the desk people for them to personally remind him of when his match was. I wonder if the desk would have done that for me, a nobody.

 

[iusedtoberich]

You know, frankly I don't understand how someone can miss their match, unless they intentionally decide to, such as if they were in a gambling game.

Johnny only was playing in one event. Most other pro's were playing in all 3.

All the matches were on something like 1.5 hr intervals. There were no mathes staring at 6.39PM.... they were all starting at "standard" times. So you check the board, and you have plenty of time to know when you are playing, especially if your match is not during the FIRST 1.5 hr block of time for that round.

I made sure when the draws were complete, to go right to the board or check my phone for MY time. This way I knew if I was playing right then, or had a 5 hr wait and can do something else.

It was actually quite easy to plan my day around the tournament board. I had no complaints with it. I will say however, it was easier to read it from my phone, because there was no scrolling on my phone.

 

[Island Drive]

Right, but $300 is the definite figure that would have resulted form the forfeit.

For all we know, Adam might have gotten a bunch of byes, or just sparked up everyone else in the field and won.

It terms of immediate cost, it's $300.
In terms of opportunity costs, you could argue it cost him 1st place.

It actually cost him $600, the $300 he didn't get and the $300 he should of gotten.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

I have waded through all of the posts in this thread, and it's obvious, this subject is a hot button issue for a lot of people.

One thing jumped out at me that seemed peculiar and if the folks who run DCC are interested in making positive changes, this might be a good place to start, if what Adam Wheeler said happened, did.

When Johnny didn't show up for the start time of their match, Adam went to the tourney desk and they ended up putting JA on the clock. When the clock ran out and JA still wasn't there, Adam went back and was told by the same person at the tourney desk that they didn't have the authority to forfeit JA and that the TD wasn't available.

It seems odd and, frankly, even a bit illogical that someone working for DCC who had the power to put someone on the clock, didn't possess the authority to forfeit that player when he failed to arrive by the time the clock ran out. This doesn't make sense.

So, powers that be; if your people can put a player on the clock, let them also have the authority to call a match a forfeit if a player doesn't get there by the time the clock runs out.

Put me in the column of those who feel Adam Wheeler was treated unfairly and, yes, it does smack of favoritism, IMO.

Best,
Brian kc

 

[justadub]

I have waded through all of the posts in this thread, and it's obvious, this subject is a hot button issue for a lot of people.

One thing jumped out at me that seemed peculiar and if the folks who run DCC are interested in making positive changes, this might be a good place to start, if what Adam Wheeler said happened, did.

When Johnny didn't show up for the start time of their match, Adam went to the tourney desk and they ended up putting JA on the clock. When the clock ran out and JA still wasn't there, Adam went back and was told by the same person at the tourney desk that they didn't have the authority to forfeit JA and that the TD wasn't available.

It seems odd and, frankly, even a bit illogical that someone working for DCC who has the power to put someone on the clock, doen't possess the authority to forfeit the player who still hasn't arrived when the clock runs out. This doesn't make sense.

So, powers that be; if your people can put a player on the clock, let them also have the authority to call the match a forfeit if the player doesn't get there by when the clock runs out.

Put me in the column of those who feel Adam Wheeler was treated unfairly and, yes, it does smack of favoritism, IMO.

Best,
Brian kc

To add to that, how can a Tournamnet Director not be available when play is going on in a tournament of this size and stature? The TD has to have a cell phone, and I would think has to be available for just such a situation. (Excluding occurances as a trip to the bathroom, or a concurrent emergency elsewhere.)

Not blaming the TD necessarily, but the excuse involving the TD being unavailable is lame and suspect.

Again, this is only one blemish on what has been reported to have been a wonderful event. Hopefully it doesn't occur again next year.

 

[Black-Balled]

No, the $300 he should have gotten IS the $300 he didn't get.

Using your logic, the $300 he might have gotten, plus the $300 he should have gotten, plus the $300 he could have gotten, plus the $300 he didn't get, plus the $300 he spent...it cost him at least $1500.

You failed to consider the $300 he will get.:wink:

 

[Island Drive]

You failed to consider the $300 he will get.:wink:

They should post up.........then the $300 he would of not gotten he did get, so there's no $600 swing. Hope the monkey doesn't read this post.

 

["T"]

Personally, I would like to see something like Greg going on record that, from here on out: all players will be treated equally. Period

Lou Figueroa

I wouldn't be surprised if this happens.

Due to the zoo that was the old tournament schedule system, the staff historically has been in many more situations requiring them to be more personally involved in the notifications.

This being the second successful year of the new scheduling software, which I have to say I'm extremely impressed with, I'm pretty sure the staff would welcome not having to get involved in making these types of decisions if they didn't have to.

 

[Wybrook]

This thread has certaintly garned many more responses than I figured. I do want to thank all those who have posted supporting my position.

Just to go on record, I think Derby is the best tournament being run annually, bar none. Like I said earlier, Everything ran very smooth 99.9% of the time. I'm sure there are many issues that arise every year that have to be dealt with and the only ones who ever know about them are the people directly involved. It just happened to be me this year for which I regret as it tainted my experience a little.

If everything went normally and I drew JA and lost due to my lack of skill or failure to execute to some degree, then I would take full responsibility. I have lost many times in the past and will lose in the future. I have also won many times and this is no deterrent to my ambitions.

Next year I'm sure someone will be watching all my matches carefully and looking to forfeit me if I am 12 seconds late or something, but I guess that's the price you pay for speaking your mind. :smile:

I did, and always make it a point to ask the TD when the next matches are starting and when the draw is, in addition to triple checking the board. I figure its worth my effort since I spent $2k to go play in this event. But then again, I sponsor myself and I don't live off of pool.

 

[wutang]

If anyone on here thinks thats this is an isolated, exceptional, situation, you are dead a$$ wrong and your head is waaaaaaaaaay up there. (you know where i mean) did you find anything interesting/entertaining up there??...lol! Now with knowledge, this has happened in favor of johnny archer, and i've personally beared witness to this happen in favor of these 'notable' players: Nick vita, corey deuel, shannon daulton, and alex pagulayan. Us 'non notables' play for the love of the game. All we want is a fair shake for our dollar. Our money is green just like theirs. (if they even paid their own way) but thats another story. If you have a set of rules that apply to all, then enforce them to all. Plain and simple. Everyone coming on here trying to 'defend' or 'protect' for whatever reason. Kill that noise!!! This is not personal with ja. Im pretty sure aw has better things to do than come on here and try to trash ja. So for him to come on here and start this thread, there must be some validity (high percentage) to his story. Come on pool world, lets get it together.

Peace

WUTANG

 

[wutang]

favoratism...

I'm a nobody, my opponent was a nobody. My opponent was not at match at start time. I went to desk after a few min to notify them. They called his name on pa. 20 min later, i went to desk, and they said he was forfeited.

They called his name once.

Next story:
Mika and frost were scheduled at 8pm to play one hole. I got there at 7:55 to get a good seat. Frost is around, but not at the table, and no sign of mika. I think the match might have been pushed to 9pm due to the onepocket.org dinner (but that is speculation on my part), because frost was just bullshi**ing with some people, and nowhere near the table.

9pm comes, and frost comes to the table warming up. He goes to desk to say mika is not there. The desk starts to call mika. Frost sees that from the table (was the one next to tournament desk) and yells over why they are calling him, that's not their responsibility. The desk replies that they were going to remind mika of his match, but the person who was doing the reminding forgot to call him, and that's why they were calling him now. Frost laughs and says, "must be nice". Mika shows up in about 20 min from then, and they play.

So, somehow mika made an arrangement with one of the desk people for them to personally remind him of when his match was. I wonder if the desk would have done that for me, a nobody.

we need a like button just like how facebook has one.

 

[wutang]

i have waded through all of the posts in this thread, and it's obvious, this subject is a hot button issue for a lot of people.

One thing jumped out at me that seemed peculiar and if the folks who run dcc are interested in making positive changes, this might be a good place to start, if what adam wheeler said happened, did.

When johnny didn't show up for the start time of their match, adam went to the tourney desk and they ended up putting ja on the clock. When the clock ran out and ja still wasn't there, adam went back and was told by the same person at the tourney desk that they didn't have the authority to forfeit ja and that the td wasn't available.

It seems odd and, frankly, even a bit illogical that someone working for dcc who had the power to put someone on the clock, didn't possess the authority to forfeit that player when he failed to arrive by the time the clock ran out. This doesn't make sense.

So, powers that be; if your people can put a player on the clock, let them also have the authority to call a match a forfeit if a player doesn't get there by the time the clock runs out.

Put me in the column of those who feel adam wheeler was treated unfairly and, yes, it does smack of favoritism, imo.

Best,
brian kc

good post..............!