The truth about the GSBT event in Bristol TN
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Brian...You take $$$ for running a league? 
Oh, for shame! That's at least as bad as me wanting to be paid for giving lessons! 
BTW, you do a great job in that league, and from what I've seen the players love ya (well most of 'em anyway)!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Oh, for shame! That's at least as bad as me wanting to be paid for giving lessons! BTW, you do a great job in that league, and from what I've seen the players love ya (well most of 'em anyway)!Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
While this is perfectly acceptable, I do things a bit differently in the league that I run due to some past complaining about "where all the money goes" with a previous LO.
At the end of each session, each team gets its winnings in an envelop. Included in the envelop is a spreadsheet showing exactly how much money came in, how much goes out, and where it was spent. I include exactly how much I pay myself for running the league as a line item, how much goes to the house, trophies, food and drink for the awards night, everything. I also show the percentages of expenses to the total so all can see costs and their impact.
The result is that most people ask me why I don't pay myself more.
JMHO
Brian in VA
math?
You added up the entries and put them straight into the purse,ever hear of a green fee?
Try adding up the entries minus the green fees,add the added $$ and that is your purse.
IMO as long as everything is upfront and above board it is up to the players to decide if a tourney is worth competing in.
You added up the entries and put them straight into the purse,ever hear of a green fee?
Try adding up the entries minus the green fees,add the added $$ and that is your purse.
IMO as long as everything is upfront and above board it is up to the players to decide if a tourney is worth competing in.
I'll tell you one thing, if I had to break down all my expenses for my clients, I'd be spending more time doing that than doing the actual work. AND it's nobody's business how much I make. If the client wants the product, then they can pay for it. If they don't, then they can elect to not buy it.
People should not work for *free.* Doesn't anybody get that?
Some monies on regional tours, such as GSBT, are put aside for season finale tournaments, fliers, advertising, posterboards, pens, stamps, phone charges, et cetera. I'm not even talking about the travel, food, and lodging costs.
Sheesh! Why anyone wants to beat down a tour that is doing everything it can to keep pool alive and well is beyond me. We should be giving them thanks for doing it. It's not easy dealing with a bunch of pool people.
We're a strange breed. :grin-square:
People should not work for *free.* Doesn't anybody get that?
Some monies on regional tours, such as GSBT, are put aside for season finale tournaments, fliers, advertising, posterboards, pens, stamps, phone charges, et cetera. I'm not even talking about the travel, food, and lodging costs.
Sheesh! Why anyone wants to beat down a tour that is doing everything it can to keep pool alive and well is beyond me. We should be giving them thanks for doing it. It's not easy dealing with a bunch of pool people.
We're a strange breed. :grin-square:
I like to think that most people are openminded but I get reminded on here daily that it just isn't so. The detractors are either competitors (i.e. representatives for other tours), jealous railbirds or other misc. shit-stirrers. Most people like to "make their point" when they really don't know what their point is or why they have it.
I am not going to get into which tour collected which fees in which way. Suffice it to say, the GSBT is fairing very well in attendance and expanding into new rooms and areas while some tours are obviously failing in this regard. The business model of the tour has a lot to do with how it is received and how successful all parties involved will be.
Art Linkletter was right ! Huh Jam ?
"People Are Funny" It was his show. Remember ?
Better not say ! :embarrassed2:
But in this case people are (not haha) funny. Goofy is more like it imo.
I wonder how many buy a new phone and ask the salesman how much is he makin ! And then call him a crook for gettin his milk money !
As soon as I read TruthWillCome's 1st post, I knew it would be very soon that RedWillCome.
One ill advised thread on this topic wasn't enough for our finest new member, so he had to start another.
One ill advised thread on this topic wasn't enough for our finest new member, so he had to start another.
Ya know, I never wanted to believe that the "nits" made up a substantial part of the pool population. After reading these threads bashing the GSBT, I must face that harsh reality.
May God help pool!
May God help pool!
Speaking for myself:I like to know how much of the entry is going into the pot and how much is being added by whoever is adding the dough.I really don't care how much some1 makes for running the tourney or how much the room owner/operator makes.Also I never check how much the room owner pays for rent or what percentage they make off bottled beer.
This being said,I don't condemn the OP.I think he brings up a good topic for this forum and there is no harm in keeping check on the numbers.
This being said,I don't condemn the OP.I think he brings up a good topic for this forum and there is no harm in keeping check on the numbers.
IF they do wind up giving you the money Mike, to keep you from having a guilty conscious I will split it even with you.
LOL
Be careful, some on here seem to think it doesn't matter where the money goes. If a TD says 50% of the purse is going to charity, then later you find out the charity was their pocket...it's all good by some's logic. And, once again, I am in no way saying the GSBT has ever done anything like this.
I agree with this, but do you feel the players have the right to know that the money is now going to you instead of the house? Or, should they just be told it's going to the house even though it is now going to you?
Basing that on reading posts here could lead one to that conclusion, though it's likely that many of the most "nittish" posts seem to be made by folks who make 1 or 2 posts, then mysteriously never appear again. At least under that particular screen name....
Methinks this particular issue is being brought up by the same angry individual. Interesting how this individual starts the thread and never eturns to it to post again...
But to your point, I agree. "Nits" seem to be aplenty.
twocardchris
Registered
i dont understand why room owners just dont run events themselves , the room i play out of gets approached to host these type of events all the time , but chooses to run his own tournaments so he can control the payouts , if he advertises a 1500 added tourny that is exactly what goes into the pot plus all the entries , works out great , more room owners should try it
Amen!
.......once again, AMEN Sista! How is it, that anybody who ventures into the waters of trying to make a dime around the game of pool is always seen as a SHYSTER?
The answer, NITT disease. This is a contagious "viral," pathogen that inflicts it's terrors on young adolescent "BOYS" who often live at home on mommy or daddy's dime and HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT LIFE IS REALLY ABOUT: MAKING LIVING EXPENSES, in an attempt TO SURVIVE this world that doesn't want or care about YOU! The bad news is once afflicted with this disease, you'll b-tch and moan your W-H-O-L-E Life about others and this or that not treating you fairly!
LIFE ain't fair, gamblers and hustlers win for the cheese, and your pathetic outcries about the injustice of a tournaments pay-out and someone who's working to promote the sport of pool (in it's last vestige) really shows you've been infected and are a giant ball of contagious N-I-T-T-N-E-S-S!
GET THIS, YOUR A F-@-C-K-I-N-G NITT!!!
Take an example from this fine womans perspective, she promotes selflessly, and is ALWAYS looking out for the sport and the players!
Kuddo's JAM!
Remember this too, GENIUS, no money=no Shannon, Marge, and the GSBT!=the sport of POOL loses again.
.......once again, AMEN Sista! How is it, that anybody who ventures into the waters of trying to make a dime around the game of pool is always seen as a SHYSTER?
The answer, NITT disease. This is a contagious "viral," pathogen that inflicts it's terrors on young adolescent "BOYS" who often live at home on mommy or daddy's dime and HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT LIFE IS REALLY ABOUT: MAKING LIVING EXPENSES, in an attempt TO SURVIVE this world that doesn't want or care about YOU! The bad news is once afflicted with this disease, you'll b-tch and moan your W-H-O-L-E Life about others and this or that not treating you fairly!
LIFE ain't fair, gamblers and hustlers win for the cheese, and your pathetic outcries about the injustice of a tournaments pay-out and someone who's working to promote the sport of pool (in it's last vestige) really shows you've been infected and are a giant ball of contagious N-I-T-T-N-E-S-S!
GET THIS, YOUR A F-@-C-K-I-N-G NITT!!!
Take an example from this fine womans perspective, she promotes selflessly, and is ALWAYS looking out for the sport and the players!
Kuddo's JAM!
Remember this too, GENIUS, no money=no Shannon, Marge, and the GSBT!=the sport of POOL loses again.
GSBT's last post on this topic...
I don't know if you read anything in the other thread. Every bit of where the money was allocated was documented. That is the reason we do that at every tournament. I do not mind legit questions about our tour but it seems to me that the 2 threads started by "two separate people" (those being there very first posts) seems a little bogus. Did they just start having a problem with the GSBT because we got 100 players? Or is it to sabotage us for malicious reasons? Whatever the reason may be I still stand behind the job that we do in running tournaments and trying to promote pool.
On another note I do want to acknowlede this:
We did have a good pay day at this tournament. We are not disputing that. The time and efforts that were put in weeks before the event, the expenses that it takes and all of the man hours that go into running a tour. We also put in double the time that we usually run an event. We arrived Sat at noon and left at 5am, got in a few hours of rest to return Sun at 10am and were there until Mon at 7am when the tourney finished. All the while, we were also providing a FREE live stream for the duration of the event. It was just Shannon and I manning this tourney but we are grateful to friends that pitched in to help. But based on how our business structure is set up, it is based on the average of anywhere from 40-60 players that we normally get. In todays economic state, a 50 player tournament is good. Sure, we would love to get fields like this every weekend but that is not the norm. If we did continue to get big fields, we would have to definitely implement a plan for more of the money to go into the tourney fund. I hope that we have to address this issue. I am not in any way trying to pat myself on the back, I am simply stating the facts of what took place this weekend and we will continue to run events as long as we have the room owners, players, sponsors, and spectators support.
I hope everyones questions are answered. I am leaving this thread and the other one on a positive note, and am going to focus on our event this weekend at Michael's Billiards in Fairfield, OHIO. Hope to see ya'll there!
Have a nice night!
Marge
I don't know if you read anything in the other thread. Every bit of where the money was allocated was documented. That is the reason we do that at every tournament. I do not mind legit questions about our tour but it seems to me that the 2 threads started by "two separate people" (those being there very first posts) seems a little bogus. Did they just start having a problem with the GSBT because we got 100 players? Or is it to sabotage us for malicious reasons? Whatever the reason may be I still stand behind the job that we do in running tournaments and trying to promote pool.
On another note I do want to acknowlede this:
We did have a good pay day at this tournament. We are not disputing that. The time and efforts that were put in weeks before the event, the expenses that it takes and all of the man hours that go into running a tour. We also put in double the time that we usually run an event. We arrived Sat at noon and left at 5am, got in a few hours of rest to return Sun at 10am and were there until Mon at 7am when the tourney finished. All the while, we were also providing a FREE live stream for the duration of the event. It was just Shannon and I manning this tourney but we are grateful to friends that pitched in to help. But based on how our business structure is set up, it is based on the average of anywhere from 40-60 players that we normally get. In todays economic state, a 50 player tournament is good. Sure, we would love to get fields like this every weekend but that is not the norm. If we did continue to get big fields, we would have to definitely implement a plan for more of the money to go into the tourney fund. I hope that we have to address this issue. I am not in any way trying to pat myself on the back, I am simply stating the facts of what took place this weekend and we will continue to run events as long as we have the room owners, players, sponsors, and spectators support.
I hope everyones questions are answered. I am leaving this thread and the other one on a positive note, and am going to focus on our event this weekend at Michael's Billiards in Fairfield, OHIO. Hope to see ya'll there!
Have a nice night!
Marge
Unbelievable this guy!
Move along .... nothing to see here.... move along
Move along .... nothing to see here.... move along
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