Haha, how long did it take you to figure that out?
If Gene were to walk into a room where he was playing, He'd be on his leg like a little hump dog.
Opposite eye dominance problem..Huge..........
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Haha, how long did it take you to figure that out?
If Gene were to walk into a room where he was playing, He'd be on his leg like a little hump dog.
I am also not an expert. However, I've talked to many doctors in various fields on various subjects. Believe it or not, not all doctors are very smart. They have a lot of "knowledge", primarily focused on their particular field. However, like all groups of people, some doctors are better than others when it comes to processing that knowledge and reasoning from it. A degree does not make one smart. It simply means that a certain quantity and type of information went into that head and came back out correctly enough times to pass the courses.
I wonder how much time that particular optometrist has spent playing pool, and/or studying the way the eyes are used in pool. Doctors in general do things "by the book". On average, they tend to behave the way people in higher positions at large corporations do: they are skilled at learning the rules and following them, but often at the expense of "outside the box" thinking. This is of course a variable that is expressed to hugely different degrees by different doctors.
Bottom line: I am more apt to believe the person who has studied a particular effect and can build a solid, well reasoned argument about their beliefs based on this study. I have visual issues myself. They are perceptual issues...there is really nothing wrong with my eyes. The problem lies (as far as I can tell, and as far as *my* optometrist tells me) in the way my brain processes the information from my eyes. And to paraphrase my optometrist: "I can't really help squadoosh with respect to that problem".
KMRUNOUT
I agree that there is no basis for calling your doctor a nit. However, it would appear that the Jesuits forgot to pass along the rules of grammar to you, in that you chose to end your sentence in a preposition ("...level of sophistication you exist at.") That may seem trivial, but when I see that sort of thing, I draw a similar conclusion about the sophistication level of the person who wrote it. (though they definitely get a higher score than anyone who calls anyone a nit for reasons other than their gambling habits ha ha!)
KMRUNOUT<-----------------just busting balls ;-)
But I think one day Geno realized that how you position your head makes a difference based on your eye dominance...what about that?
Well I just think you got what you got. If you are right handed shoot wi your right hand and practice half hr a day wi opposite hand and half hr a day wi the bridge. What ever eye deal ya got use it. I happen to hold my cue under the dominant ( I guess ) eye exactly like Earl Strickland. The reason I mention that is that 4 or 5 people said it to me and I would say really. Do you think I have not tried moving my head into different positions and all that? Of course I have. I use to be determined to be the best player arround and all that.
The first few times I realized something I use to say aha. After many hrs a day for many days in a row I found something new to concentrate on and as soon as it becomes second nature on every shot, now I will be the best in town and in short order the state. Real soon I also realized this comes in steps without short cuts. And there are so many steps. And there are so many things that determine where the cue ball is going and what it is going to do when it gets there....
It was fun working with you.............
Thanks for the post on here.
It's funny how easy it is to fix a lifelong problem with a persons aim over the phone while your at a pool table.
It didn't take you long to catch on why you were missing the shots like you were.
You might still miss but at least it won't be because the eyes are not in the correct position now that you know how to get them there.
Keep working at it and it will get better and better and better.
When I tell someone that this is not something that you have to work at for months to see result they kind of look at me kind of funny.
But as you see the results are immediate. You can see for yourself why you were missing the shots before.
And I think you commented on how simple it is. I think we talked and worked at it for about 20 minutes.
The results speak for themselves.
Thanks again and let me know how it's going it a few days.
Thanks for the post on here.
It's funny how easy it is to fix a lifelong problem with a persons aim over the phone while your at a pool table.
It didn't take you long to catch on why you were missing the shots like you were.
You might still miss but at least it won't be because the eyes are not in the correct position now that you know how to get them there.
Keep working at it and it will get better and better and better.
When I tell someone that this is not something that you have to work at for months to see result they kind of look at me kind of funny.
But as you see the results are immediate. You can see for yourself why you were missing the shots before.
And I think you commented on how simple it is. I think we talked and worked at it for about 20 minutes.
The results speak for themselves.
Thanks again and let me know how it's going it a few days.
I teach pool for a living............
Hi there PocketPoint,
When I met Lou i was on the road coming back from Alabama on a teaching trip.
A good guy Named teddy from Bessmer had me come down to Teach him Perfect Aim.
On my way through St louis I had a lesson with one of the local players. i went out of my way about 150 miles to do this.
I only charge 200 for the personal lesson and the video comes with it. The lesson could last anywhere from 2 hours to 5 depending on if the player has trouble understanding or learning.
I don't quite understand what your trying to say.
2 young guys that were in the poolhall I gave a lesson to the next day.
I also played Lutman some pool.
It's no secret that this is what I do. Play pool and teach.
And I do have something pretty extra special to teach.
In a perfect world where I didn't have to eat,gas,motel I could do it for free all the time.
Try it sometime on the road. It gets pretty expensive.............
Have a great day geno...........
Hi there PocketPoint,
When I met Lou i was on the road coming back from Alabama on a teaching trip.
A good guy Named teddy from Bessmer had me come down to Teach him Perfect Aim.
On my way through St louis I had a lesson with one of the local players. i went out of my way about 150 miles to do this.
I only charge 200 for the personal lesson and the video comes with it. The lesson could last anywhere from 2 hours to 5 depending on if the player has trouble understanding or learning.
I don't quite understand what your trying to say.
2 young guys that were in the poolhall I gave a lesson to the next day.
I also played Lutman some pool.
It's no secret that this is what I do. Play pool and teach.
And I do have something pretty extra special to teach.
In a perfect world where I didn't have to eat,gas,motel I could do it for free all the time.
Try it sometime on the road. It gets pretty expensive.............
Have a great day geno...........
Where do you come up with these things?
IF you are same side dominant AND you feel comfortable that way - good
for you. But to say being cross dominant puts you at a natural
disadvantage??
I presume you've not yet heard of Willie Mosconi? He could play a little.
Dale<who only wishes he could be cross dominant>
Just think about it a little........
Hi there,
One place that it is tough is when you are jacked up on a shot. Keeping the dominant eye in the right position is a little tougher.
Especially the very strong eye dominant players that have the cue right under their opposite eye have to lean over a little further to get there.
Some like myself are just slightly opposite eye dominant but it foes have it disadvantages on certain shots.
I never said you couldn't play well if you were opposite eye dominant.
Willie was left eye dominant and right handed. And yes he played well.
Many players are opposite eye dominant and they play very well.
If your right handed, left eye dominant or vise-versa your head can be shifted anywhere from an inch to maybe 3 inches kind of contorting your head and eye over a little bit more.
This is just my opinion on what I observe and experience being opposite eye dominant.
Hi there,
One place that it is tough is when you are jacked up on a shot. Keeping the dominant eye in the right position is a little tougher.
Especially the very strong eye dominant players that have the cue right under their opposite eye have to lean over a little further to get there.
Some like myself are just slightly opposite eye dominant but it foes have it disadvantages on certain shots.
I never said you couldn't play well if you were opposite eye dominant.
Willie was left eye dominant and right handed. And yes he played well.
Many players are opposite eye dominant and they play very well.
If your right handed, left eye dominant or vise-versa your head can be shifted anywhere from an inch to maybe 3 inches kind of contorting your head and eye over a little bit more.
This is just my opinion on what I observe and experience being opposite eye dominant.
I just want to say for all the people hating on Gene's teachings, from my own experience I've come realize the importance of the dominant eye in pool. I struggled with inconsistent play for years until I started experimenting with my eyes and found that I was heavily left-eye dominant. Just that realization alone helped me see shots better and I realize that most of my slumps had nothing to with stroke or stance but actually the way I was aiming with my eyes.
I've never spoken to or taken a lesson from Gene before but I see a lot of value in what he is trying to share with everyone and I hope more people will realize that he is really onto something with this eye dominance stuff.
Victor
I've never spoken to or taken a lesson from Gene before but I see a lot of value in what he is trying to share with everyone and I hope more people will realize that he is really onto something with this eye dominance stuff.
Victor
Poke and Hope.
Well, yeah, I have thought a lot about this.
So I went to get my yearly eye exam early this year. I've been going to the same optometrist (you know, a guy who actually has a degree on stuff about how you see ;-) for many years now. I've been wearing glasses since the third grade and this guy is the best eye doc I've ever been too. For the last ten years or so, he's been correcting a set of contact lens for me, specifically for pool. He was willing to work with me, let me try out various lens, until we got a pair that was just right. What he's done is corrected my vision for the three to ten foot range and it is great. I see the balls in HD.
So anyway I asked him if he could tell which of my eyes was dominant and he tells me (you got it wrong BTW so, no, you didn't "help" me with squadoosh) and then I asked if he felt if it would be important for me to shoot favoring one eye or the other and he said no, he didn't think so -- that that wasn't the way eyes worked. What was more important was to give your eyes the same view each time so your brain had a constant reference point
My own "view" is that the mechanics of your stroke are far more important than actually seeing the ball, favoring one eye or the the other. As has been previously said: it is more important to give yourself a consistent view. (After all, who among us has not done the setup, close your eyes, and shoot experiment?) If my optimal stroke puts the cue under my not dominant eye, but it allows me to accurately put the ball in the pocket, gives me good speed control with the cue ball, why wouldn't that be more important than just about anything else? It is, IMO, the set up that allows precise delivery of the cue, that should be your default setting, dominant eye be dammed.
Having said all that, I know you're not going to give up selling what you're selling, so I'm not interested in an endless exchange over this (I have the CTErs for thatPeople will believe whom they choose to believe.
Lou Figueroa
Keys to this post:
Ten years to correct a set of contact lenses.
Doctor didn't THINK so, I want proof not what someone thinks.
Ignoring for a moment the fact that we all write here more like we speak and that most of us allow each other a fair amount of latitude in that regard, you're right -- I blew the preposition rule. It won't be the last time
In eight years I don't think I ever diagrammed a single sentence under their tutelage -- lot's of philosophy, logic, Latin, and stuff like that there -- the Jesuits didn't care so much about whether you ended your sentence with a preposition, they cared whether your arguments made sense. Writing something as stupid as what Spider wrote was strickly verboten. So, bottom line: I am happy with the level of sophistication I'm at.
Lou Figueroa
Ignoring for a moment the fact that we all write here more like we speak and that most of us allow each other a fair amount of latitude in that regard, you're right -- I blew the preposition rule. It won't be the last time
In eight years I don't think I ever diagrammed a single sentence under their tutelage -- lot's of philosophy, logic, Latin, and stuff like that there -- the Jesuits didn't care so much about whether you ended your sentence with a preposition, they cared whether your arguments made sense. Writing something as stupid as what Spider wrote was strickly verboten. So, bottom line: I am happy with the level of sophistication I'm at.
Lou Figueroa
The only stupid thing was your made-up anecdote about your doctor. As I mentioned, the entire internet is flooded with dominant eye articles with their relation to sports and motion. Your "Guys, I spoke to my doctor and HE SAID....." post was completely baseless and I called you out on it. Did you trap him at the urinal too?
Better call up the Jesuits and ask for your money back, as far as I'm concerned.
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Here's the thing: most people are willing to accept a statement at face value if they feel the source is credible. So I'm pretty comfortable that people will read what I write and believe what I say. For some of the ca-ca you write, YMMV.
As to your urinal reference, I'm guessing that's about what some top-flight pro players had to say about the worthlessness of CTE and how they openly mocked it. That happened in the 14.1 Challenge Room at the DCC this year and at least one and perhaps two AZer's were present when the remarks were made. Neither one of them usually gets involved with CTE arguments, but they are free to speak up if they believe I'm not being accurate in my description.
Like I've said before: people will believe whom they choose to believe. I'm good with that.
Lou Figueroa
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Here's the thing: most people are willing to accept a statement at face value if they feel the source is credible. So I'm pretty comfortable that people will read what I write and believe what I say. For some of the ca-ca you write, YMMV.
As to your urinal reference, I'm guessing that's about what some top-flight pro players had to say about the worthlessness of CTE and how they openly mocked it. That happened in the 14.1 Challenge Room at the DCC this year and at least one and perhaps two AZer's were present when the remarks were made. Neither one of them usually gets involved with CTE arguments, but they are free to speak up if they believe I'm not being accurate in my description
Like I've said before: people will believe whom they choose to believe. I'm good with that.
Lou Figueroa
Lou,
You're ALWAYS using anonymous references to back up your own feelings on particular topics. You feel _____, and by happenstance you've spoken to _____ (who will remain anonymous) who says ______ (which is exactly what you stated in the first blank).
If your doctor is such an expert on the topic, please have him come to azbilliards and sign up for his own account and make a detailed post stating his position. Conversely, if you speak with a pro who thinks ____ or _____, have them stand by their convictions and make a post. Otherwise, it's only you using anonymous references to further substantiate your position.
If it were a court of law, you'd hear an "objection" and a "sustained" right after each of your posts because of hearsay (except it's worse because the person you're quoting is never named).
Ask your doctor to step up and make a post or better yet--- stop the elaborate top secret he said/she said anonymous posts.
Dave
And why would I do that?
To make one little spider happy?
I don't think so.
Lou Figueroa
There is a little known book by Kranicki called ‘Answers to a Pool Players Prayers’, that deals with eye dominance and aiming.
It is an in depth look at perception and what happens while you looking at the balls, tone of excellent stuff. So, anyone wanting to know more on the subject should take a look.
Sort of Perfect Aim on steroids that can be easily followed.
It is an in depth look at perception and what happens while you looking at the balls, tone of excellent stuff. So, anyone wanting to know more on the subject should take a look.
Sort of Perfect Aim on steroids that can be easily followed.
Hey....just so happens I'm sitting here having a coffee with....well, let's just say he's a pretty important guy. We were reading azbilliards together after he gave me a tour of his Redmond, WA office when we came across this thread. He got a kick out of your Jesuit comment and blamed himself for your preposition error (his grammar check should have picked it up). He also thought you probably couldn't spell Jesuit without running spell-check first.
I didn't agree with him, since I think you're a swell guy. Nevertheless, his glasses fell off laughing at you.