Charlie Williams Vs the USA

I think most ppl admit its going to take a monster to slay the dragon. Hes in some good company edith those lists its hard to beat any of them...some of the earlier lists were out of line.

DP you knowwwwwwwwww! Refer to the avatar!
 
...Refer to the avatar!

Wonder how Charlie would feel if he saw someone wearing a shirt that said, 'why ball no stop lolling?', or maybe 'I love cats and can eat a whole one'.

Just wondering...

And top 50 American? Yeah, I will give you that.
 
Not giving a list . But... Charlie Williams did snap off the Master Billiard Big Apple 9 ball Challenge ( beating Reyes twice) and The Capital City Classic
a couple weeks latter (beating Wiseman) and a Fourth in The Vegas 9 b Open . I did not and do not intend on reading the thread but Charlie,
Whether you like him or not...is a Professional
 
Not giving a list . But... Charlie Williams did snap off the Master Billiard Big Apple 9 ball Challenge ( beating Reyes twice) and The Capital City Classic
a couple weeks latter (beating Wiseman) and a Fourth in The Vegas 9 b Open . I did not and do not intend on reading the thread but Charlie,
Whether you like him or not...is a Professional

Now I like Ronnie but if this is who CW is up against in the finals of tourneys it validates my point .
 
Not necessary

I don't personally know CW but i would love to see thw people on here trash talking him put their money up and play him! Just because he doesn't play for the cash doesn't mean he can't play. Most of the European players don't play for the cash either. CW has accomplished more in this sport than most on this forum ever will!

In the second sentence of your post you state that Charlie doesn't play for the cash.. That makes the first sentence of your post (that you don't know Charlie), completely unnecessary..
 
I dont really care But....The 2nd part of your post makes me think you
overlooked the Part where he beat Efren twice in the same tourny.
That is validation

I didnt overlook it at all..But I would have used a different win if I was tryin to make him look good..anyways My list says strictly for the cash so it really doesnt matter...But Ill tell yall what i will do in the next major CW plays in..I will exclude the top 5 players and take the field over him..
 
I didnt overlook it at all..But I would have used a different win if I was tryin to make him look good..anyways My list says strictly for the cash so it really doesnt matter...But Ill tell yall what i will do in the next major CW plays in..I will exclude the top 5 players and take the field over him..

Top 5 americans excluded you got a bet, how bout for the us open 10 ball, im down 4 to you right now!
 
I agree with all the names listed so far plus:

Oscar Dominguez
John Brumback
Frankie Hernandez
Danny Barouty
Chris Bartrum
Jeff Carter
Jesse Cardiff
Monica Webb
Helena Thornfeldt
Jimmy Wetch
Nick Varner
Bob Vanover
Jeanette Lee
Dawn Hopkins
Grady Seasons
Keith McCready
Amar Kang
Sarah Rousey
Vivian Villarreal
Ray Martin
Vicky Paski
Jeri Engh
Joe Rogan
etc
etc
etc
 
I agree with all the names listed so far plus:

Oscar Dominguez
John Brumback
Frankie Hernandez
Danny Barouty
Chris Bartrum
Jeff Carter
Jesse Cardiff
Monica Webb
Helena Thornfeldt
Jimmy Wetch
Nick Varner
Bob Vanover
Jeanette Lee
Dawn Hopkins
Grady Seasons
Keith McCready
Amar Kang
Sarah Rousey
Vivian Villarreal
Ray Martin
Vicky Paski
Jeri Engh
Joe Rogan
etc
etc
etc

Half of those people have no chance, half are either inactive and/or semi-retired, and the other half I've never heard of. :)

I'm not a CW fan by any stretch of the imagination, but let's put some realistic candidates out there if we're going to be making lists.
 
I agree with all the names listed so far plus:

Oscar Dominguez
John Brumback
Frankie Hernandez
Danny Barouty
Chris Bartrum
Jeff Carter
Jesse Cardiff
Monica Webb
Helena Thornfeldt
Jimmy Wetch
Nick Varner
Bob Vanover
Jeanette Lee
Dawn Hopkins
Grady Seasons
Keith McCready
Amar Kang
Sarah Rousey
Vivian Villarreal
Ray Martin
Vicky Paski
Jeri Engh
Joe Rogan
etc
etc
etc

Location: Fantasia. Are you sure that it is not Cloud Cuckoo Land?
Maybe I am not tuned in to American jokes - or maybe I am because this did make me laugh (in sympathy).
 
I agree with all the names listed so far plus:

Oscar Dominguez
John Brumback
Frankie Hernandez
Danny Barouty
Chris Bartrum
Jeff Carter
Jesse Cardiff
Monica Webb
Helena Thornfeldt
Jimmy Wetch
Nick Varner
Bob Vanover
Jeanette Lee
Dawn Hopkins
Grady Seasons
Keith McCready
Amar Kang
Sarah Rousey
Vivian Villarreal
Ray Martin
Vicky Paski
Jeri Engh
Joe Rogan
etc
etc
etc
oh shit! You must know things
 
I think the very nature of this thread and bias against Charlie is clouding people's judgements

he has in fact taken down world beaters and has a top gear as high as anyone's

he does not focus his life around playing and hasn't for years

easily top 10 in the US
 
I met Charlie at a joss event and he was going on and on about championships he won... He was kinda arrogant in his self emphasized glory. 2 hours later a local guy knocked him outta the event. True story.
 
He did make it to day 2 of the tournament though! Keith macready challenged him to a one pocket cash game and
Charlie said ,'heck no'. It was funny! Keith was plastered and Charlie still refused lol
 
He did make it to day 2 of the tournament though! Keith macready challenged him to a one pocket cash game and
Charlie said ,'heck no'. It was funny! Keith was plastered and Charlie still refused lol

I definitely don't remember that, but I'm sure it could have happened. :D

Keith beat Charlie at a Joss tournament in Chelmsford in 2003 or 2004 (subject to check), I think it was, and Charlie beat Keith in a tournament in my presence once, but I can't remember which one it was.

Tournament play is quite different than action. Some tournament soldiers may not fare well in gambling, and vice versa, some action players may not shoot well in short tournament races. Does it mean a tournament soldier is better at pool, more proficient than say an action man? I'm not quite sure.

I am always reminded of what Keith says about these "who's the best" topics: Just remember that there's a paddle out there that will fit every back side.

When you think about it, it's true. Another saying of his is "Don't ever forget *who* you are." I'm not so sure why railbirds, backers, pool fans, and others get so heated up in the "who's the best" threads. The pool players themselves probably don't think twice about it, at least as much as we do here on this forum sometimes. :p

Every pool player has a streak when they're hitting 'em strong, some longer than others. Charlie may not be on everybody's birthday cake list, but you can't say that he doesn't have game. He can play. :)
 
Charlie is a beast

I'm nobody. I don't even rank in the top 200 in my state IMO, but I do know a little about the game of banks. I'll tell you this much about charlie williams "beast status", he probably plays banks like once a year (derby). With that being said, when I met him in the loser's side at Derby this year, there wasn't a human alive that was going to beat him if he got to the table. PERIOD. I got to the table three times in the race to three. I had 1 legit opportunity to do some damage where he left me with a 1/2 way decent shot. That was off his dry break in the first game. I missed and it would be my last chance to do anything. The other two times, there wasn't a bank on the table, he played safe.

The man was insane on the table and a gentleman afterwards. He banked 5 and out twice in a race to three.

Point is, if he can do that in a game that not his strong suit, I imagine he can (has and will) beat any of the top dogs in the future on any given day.
 
I am always reminded of what Keith says about these "who's the best" topics: Just remember that there's a paddle out there that will fit every back side.

Go read my last sentence on post #45 and see if I don't agree with what Keith says :thumbup:!!!

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