ABP or Barry Behrman Escrow account

"It's a sport. It should be an olympic sport. Champions of a sport shouldn't be cooking poormen meals."

Bullpoop. Lots of Olympic sports are not money-earners. Lets see - Water Polo, synchronized swimming, speed skating, softball, judo, karate, wrestling, diving, kayaking, gymnastics, archery, badminton, field hockey, rowing, shooting, and on and on.

Just because a sport takes great skill does not mean it should be financially rewarding. Just like anyone participating in the above sports, pool players can still play pool and earn a living off of the table. It has not been possible to earn a decent living in the last fifty years playing pool. It is unreasonable to believe that will change anytime soon in this country.
 
I could give a rats ass about the players and their money!!! Most of these guys have won the US Open therefore get free entry FOR LIFE!!!! I understand the expenses and all that but like said above... Most everybody got paid except the top 5 guys which im sure Barry will pay after losing THOUSANDS of his own dollars!!!!

Let them not show up I dont care... Gives bangers like me a better shot at winnning since im gonna be there this year :smile:
 
C.Milian said:
It's a sport. It should be an olympic sport. Champions of a sport shouldn't be cooking poormen meals.
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One must pick and choose in life. A world class tiddlywinks player or an interplanetary disc golf ace would suffer the same fate as our beloved pool champs. Unless one has the ostrich syndrome, one can notice rather apparently that pool is loosely organized, may not ever become organized, and has little monetary compensation to offer now, and possibly in the future.

Is this fair? I don't believe that it's a question of fair or not fair. To my thinking, It's unfair that the men and women who defend our borders receive pay that is not comensurate with their value to society, imo. Or the pay of farmers who raise the food we eat. Or the civil engineers and laborers who pave our streets, etc. On the backs of those folks, we have the possibility to have an efficient, peaceful society.

On the backs of pool players, we have hopes of entertainment.

Panem et circenses (Bread and circuses) anyone?

To wit:

This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman poet Juvenal (circa 100 AD ). In context, the Latin phrase panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining cares of a Roman populace which has given up its birthright of political involvement. Here Juvenal displays his contempt for the declining heroism of his contemporary Romans.[1] Roman politicians devised a plan in 140 B.C. to win the votes of the poor: giving out cheap food and entertainment, "bread and circuses", would be the most effective way to rise to power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
 
Lets just let them get on with it, if they play all well and good if they don't..............oh well. Barry and the ABP probably have further talks before it's all said and done, but let's leave it to them now. This has been done to death here now, please no more.

Thats 2 new posts on this today alone............Shut Up Already!
 
Carolina Blue said:
"It's a sport. It should be an olympic sport. Champions of a sport shouldn't be cooking poormen meals."

Bullpoop. Lots of Olympic sports are not money-earners. Lets see - Water Polo, synchronized swimming, speed skating, softball, judo, karate, wrestling, diving, kayaking, gymnastics, archery, badminton, field hockey, rowing, shooting, and on and on.

Just because a sport takes great skill does not mean it should be financially rewarding. Just like anyone participating in the above sports, pool players can still play pool and earn a living off of the table. It has not been possible to earn a decent living in the last fifty years playing pool. It is unreasonable to believe that will change anytime soon in this country.
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Blue, I believe we have met in the past and I know that you know what you are talking about. However there are a few top players whoare doing quite well by being a pro pool player. I think the difference between pool and some other sports is you cant be a ok professional player you have to be great, you have to be smart and you must work.
 
bfdlad said:
Blue, I believe we have met in the past and I know that you know what you are talking about. However there are a few top players whoare doing quite well by being a pro pool player. I think the difference between pool and some other sports is you cant be a ok professional player you have to be great, you have to be smart and you must work.
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Mark, how's it going? :smile:

The ones that are doing well, are they sponsored with money, as opposed to product?
 
JAM said:
Mark, how's it going? :smile:

The ones that are doing well, are they sponsored with money, as opposed to product?
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Yo there janet :) Some of them I believe have sponsorship but thats not breaking any records the sponsorship is low for the most part. Obviously there are some out there with $100k deals but not many at all. The others work hard and go to every tourney they can and do exhibitions, dvds etc. No some of these players have made investments and saved the $$. Those arethe ones I am talking about. Ralph, Shane and Varner come to mind although there are others.
 
bfdlad said:
Yo there janet :) Some of them I believe have sponsorship but thats not breaking any records the sponsorship is low for the most part. Obviously there are some out there with $100k deals but not many at all. The others work hard and go to every tourney they can and do exhibitions, dvds etc. No some of these players have made investments and saved the $$. Those arethe ones I am talking about. Ralph, Shane and Varner come to mind although there are others.
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That is very true. Thanks, Maurice, for the reply! :thumbup:

Shane and Ralph are sponsored. Varner has income related to non-tournament entities, which is a great idea. Most pro players eventually do go to selling product. Unless you are sponsored with money, it is darn near impossible to travel the globe to the WPA-ranked events.

It may be why the upcoming Master's event has only one American, which is Shane. ;)
 
bfdlad said:
Blue, I believe we have met in the past and I know that you know what you are talking about. However there are a few top players whoare doing quite well by being a pro pool player. I think the difference between pool and some other sports is you cant be a ok professional player you have to be great, you have to be smart and you must work.
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Sounds suspiciously like a job, to me!
 
jalapus logan said:
One must pick and choose in life. A world class tiddlywinks player or an interplanetary disc golf ace would suffer the same fate as our beloved pool champs. Unless one has the ostrich syndrome, one can notice rather apparently that pool is loosely organized, may not ever become organized, and has little monetary compensation to offer now, and possibly in the future.

Is this fair? I don't believe that it's a question of fair or not fair. To my thinking, It's unfair that the men and women who defend our borders receive pay that is not comensurate with their value to society, imo. Or the pay of farmers who raise the food we eat. Or the civil engineers and laborers who pave our streets, etc. On the backs of those folks, we have the possibility to have an efficient, peaceful society.

On the backs of pool players, we have hopes of entertainment.

Panem et circenses (Bread and circuses) anyone?

To wit:

This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman poet Juvenal (circa 100 AD ). In context, the Latin phrase panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining cares of a Roman populace which has given up its birthright of political involvement. Here Juvenal displays his contempt for the declining heroism of his contemporary Romans.[1] Roman politicians devised a plan in 140 B.C. to win the votes of the poor: giving out cheap food and entertainment, "bread and circuses", would be the most effective way to rise to power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
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earl or "runoutjj"?
 
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Carolina Blue said:
"It's a sport. It should be an olympic sport. Champions of a sport shouldn't be cooking poormen meals."

Bullpoop. Lots of Olympic sports are not money-earners. Lets see - Water Polo, synchronized swimming, speed skating, softball, judo, karate, wrestling, diving, kayaking, gymnastics, archery, badminton, field hockey, rowing, shooting, and on and on.

Just because a sport takes great skill does not mean it should be financially rewarding. Just like anyone participating in the above sports, pool players can still play pool and earn a living off of the table. It has not been possible to earn a decent living in the last fifty years playing pool. It is unreasonable to believe that will change anytime soon in this country.
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Thats funny. Ever since the beginning of history it's one of the few things people enjoy most---doing something really well, or watching someone do something excellently. And so, while I can sit back with a bag of chips and enjoy an evening of synchronized swimming, it wouldn't be as engaging as watching two complete pool players battle it out.

Even a kid that is born with natural ability can be entranced watching this game performed at a high level. This is a very special game.
 
Reason this is big deal because it is US Open, it has the US name on it, and it has to be the best pool event in the world, where all pros compete in it. It has to be televised, it has to have the funding ahead of time. I hope Barry can pull some strings and wish him the best of luck.
 
It is a good question as to where the funds come form. 50k is alot of change.

Just borrowing 50k is not as easy as it sounds. Something has to be put up in case of default, then there's is interest, and then if all the money taken in at the event doesn't add up to 50k, someones got to make up the difference.

And then thats just 50k prize money and nothing about the monies needed up front to put the event.

Its a tough nut to crack, on both sides. Whomever puts up the money wants something back ....a return on investment, be it the money invested paid back plus interest or positive exposure for their product or services.

The latter requires a marketing group. A group whose job is to get the word out about the untapped market there is in pool for their products and services.

I think series of regional quailfiers with some payouts leading to the big game for the winners of the qualifiers.....yep IPT format, just better management, as the way to go.

But doing this takes time and leadership. But who? The players, room owners, industry members, fans who?

Well, it has to be the fans. You want them to play, create the enviroment that makes them want to play. Create the enviroment that helps room owners. It is the true fan of pool that is gonna make it grow.

If the fans truely love the game, there must be some willing to step up to help market pool. I mean some fans expect the players to play without any garrantee of timely payment, then they should also be willing to put in time without any garrantee of payment for time/expenses to ensure the players get paid.

But mostly, just railbirds just squaking away....
 
Lucy and Linus/Barry and the ABP

Lucy, Linus and the football equals Barry, ABP and the money. Lucy will never let Linus kick the ball and Barry will always have an excuse and never pay the players on the day the event ends. That's life. :)
 
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I keep reading posts where Barry should get a loan.
Put Q Billiards up as chattel against the loan. Yeah right.
If its so easy and risk free, then you do it and lend Barry the money, OK.

Other than 2 jobs at a hospital, I own a taxi plate in which I lease out.
The net value of the plate in my city is 250K. Plates in NY are worth 6 times that amount. The lease I receive for the plate each month is, and will continue to be a much needed part of my livelihood now and for the rest of my life. If anyone would think that I might put that at risk for anyone else but myself is as crazy as people that think Barry should risk his absolute livelihood to put on a tournament
and or, to satisfy the wants of the ABP.

Does JA not own a pool hall? I doubt he would be willing to risk that for anything.
 
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Murdoch7627 said:
Lucy, Linus and the football equals Barry, ABP and the money. Lucy will never let Linus kick the ball and Barry will always have an excuse and never pay the players on the day the event ends. That's life. :)
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Just for accuracy's sake, Linus never tried to kick the football. (He's too smart to fall for that crap in any event.)

Charlie Brown is who you're searching for.

Good grief. :p
 
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justadub said:
Just for accuracy's sake, Linus never tried to kick the football. (He's too smart to fall for that crap in any event.)

Charlie Brown is who you're searching for.

Good grief. :p
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You are, of course, right. As you said, GOOD GRIEF! My bad. :(
 
12ozCurl said:
I'm going back to my vicodin and Yo Gabba Gabba (my daughter loves that show)
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"Yo Gabba Gabba" is like crack for children...I don't know what it is, but for some reason it hypnotizes them to the point that their parents can get some much needed peace and quiet.

I prefer "Fairly OddParents" if I'm forced to actually watch the show. ;)
 
JAM...How about this for a compromise? Barry could make the entry $500, if paid by a certain date (perhaps 60 days ahead of the tournament), and $1000 if you miss paying up front. That's enough of a difference that it would force the players to pay upfront...or don't play. Just a thought...:grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

JAM said:
It is amazing to me that Mike Zuglan's $25,000 Joss Tour Turning Stone tournaments fill up long before the commencement, and there is actually a waiting list.

Same holds true with Allen Hopkins' Pro Tournament at the Super Billiards Expo each year. It fills up ahead of time, and again, there is a waiting list.

I'm not sure why this can't be done with the U.S. Open. Maybe it is because the field is so much larger, but if there was a cutoff time -- and I mean a strict cutoff time -- to get the entry fees in, this may help the tournament budget as a whole.

It is so true that people wait until the day of the event to pay up. I see this quite often. If the trend could change, this might really help the U.S. Open continue to flourish and alleviate a lot of the difficulties from the past.
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