new diamond tables: easier?

[Slh]

I read in a comment on youtube that diamond changed his tables and now the pockets play more easier. An user said: "The width of the opening is the same as the old pro-cut diamonds, but the jaws of the pocket are a different angle so the balls will bank off the jaws into the pocket now."
Why does diamond decide to change their tables? I think the shot at 1:00:28 should never go in and even Strickland complains about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vul8SCHFFc

 

[bstroud]

I have a new Diamond with the new cushions and the new pro pocket cut.

All I can say it is one of the toughest tables to play on I have ever seen.

You can not hit an inside rail with any speed and make the ball.

If you warp a ball down the rail it must be perfect to go in. The pocket facings are very lively and reject anything less than perfect.

Not my preferred table to practice on but is what I have. I have played on a lot worse.

Bill Stroud

 

[Slh]

I have a new Diamond with the new cushions and the new pro pocket cut.

All I can say it is one of the toughest tables to play on I have ever seen.

You can not hit an inside rail with any speed and make the ball.

If you warp a ball down the rail it must be perfect to go in. The pocket facings are very lively and reject anything less than perfect.

Not my preferred table to practice on but is what I have. I have played on a lot worse.

Bill Stroud

well... Archer in that match doesn't hit the 9 ball very well and still makes it..

 

[fastford]

well... Archer in that match doesn't hit the 9 ball very well and still makes it..

Could have been the english on the ball.

I opened my mouth before my eyes! Im not sure excactly how that ball went.

 

[risky biz]

I read in a comment on youtube that diamond changed his tables and now the pockets play more easier. An user said: "The width of the opening is the same as the old pro-cut diamonds, but the jaws of the pocket are a different angle so the balls will bank off the jaws into the pocket now."
Why does diamond decide to change their tables? I think the shot at 1:00:28 should never go in and even Strickland complains about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vul8SCHFFc

Shots like that go all the time on a Diamond, new or old.

I've played on a new one. I don't think they changed the pocket angles at all.

 

[Slh]

Shots like that go all the time on a Diamond, new or old.

I've played on a new one. I don't think they changed the pocket angles at all.

and do you think a shot so poorly hitted should go?

 

[risky biz]

Originally Posted by risky biz
Shots like that go all the time on a Diamond, new or old.

I've played on a new one. I don't think they changed the pocket angles at all.

and do you think a shot so poorly hitted should go?

Adjust to the table. Sometimes hitting a shot "poor" gets you the shape you want for the next ball.

Some shots are harder on a Diamond, some aren't. It isn't a harder table. It's a different table.

 

[realkingcobra]

Shots like that go all the time on a Diamond, new or old.

I've played on a new one. I don't think they changed the pocket angles at all.

They didn"t change them.

 

[Cuebuddy]

I have had my Diamond Pro for a few years now and it play great, tuff table there is no doubt. In my opinion there are a few factors that have to be considered.

A. How new was the cloth? > New cloth can be slippery.

B. Humidity can also play a big part. I have a very dry climate.

C. Balls slide a little more for the first hour of play if they were polished.

It looked like the object ball hit about three inch's up the rail and still managed to pot. On older cloth with the balls being dirty that ball may rattle if it would of hit one inch from the facing.

 

[Slh]

I have had my Diamond Pro for a few years now and it play great, tuff table there is no doubt. In my opinion there are a few factors that have to be considered.

A. How new was the cloth? > New cloth can be slippery.

B. Humidity can also play a big part. I have a very dry climate.

C. Balls slide a little more for the first hour of play if they were polished.

It looked like the object ball hit about three inch's up the rail and still managed to pot. On older cloth with the balls being dirty that ball may rattle if it would of hit one inch from the facing.

yes you are right, climate conditions changes the way a table plays but that shot shouldn't go in ANY condition, even the "easier". I'm not saying to make the pockets like snooker, but that shot was hitted pretty firm, 3-4 inches away from the pocket and with a severe angle.

Originally Posted by risky biz
Shots like that go all the time on a Diamond, new or old.

I've played on a new one. I don't think they changed the pocket angles at all.



Adjust to the table. Sometimes hitting a shot "poor" gets you the shape you want for the next ball.

Some shots are harder on a Diamond, some aren't. It isn't a harder table. It's a different table.

I'm talking about Archer's shot and not cheating the pocket in general. That shot was hitted poorly not "poor". I say that because Johnny clearly wanted to play the 10 ball in the side but because he hitted the 9 ball too fully he come up short and he had to cut the 10 ball much more than he wanted . He hitted that shot badly he wasn't trying to cheat the pocket, he missed the shot and the generosity of the pocket saved him.

 

[The Renfro]

The new rail design has definitely changed the way the tables play. When the cloth is new and the sizing has not worn off of it the new design causes the balls to react differently than expected coming off the rails.

I think the geometric change actually causes the rails to be a little more resilient to the point that the rebound energy is greater than the gear effect from english provided by the friction of the cloth when new.

Once the cloth gets worn in you get the added rebound AND the gear effect.

The tables so far have played easier on making balls and harder on playing position with brand new cloth and harder on making balls and easier on playing position when the cloth is broken in. Once the cloth is worn the tables are absolutely punishing to play on. Nothing that touches a rail or hits the facing with any speed has much chance of going.

The local room purchased one of the tables from Turning Stone and I went from not liking it when they put it in because of the issues it had with spinning into position on new cloth.... To loving it when the cloth lost the sizing... To completely despising it when the cloth was worn.... I think a slightly smaller pocket with a little more forgiving angle cut would make the table less forgiving in tournament play and not so brutal in the real world.....

 

[Spider1]

Voting "that shot should never have gone under any conditions".

gross/ugly

 

[book collector]

the shot probably should not have gone although they were both the same type shot where he transferred a lot of hold up english on the object ball , when the cloth is new , sometimes the ball slides a little at those steep angles and with that english.
He was definately fortunate both went in. I don't think that was where he was aiming for.

 

[ROB.M]

table

i have talked with diamond' they did use and experiment with different pocket angles in the past

 

[Fatboy]

They didn"t change them.

thats posible but at the 10 ball tournemnt in May in Vegas Dechaine run a 8 pack on them, he told me they were easier, so did Shane. I played on them and they seem easier to me as well. the rails arnt as boingy and its easier to control the rock. so pehaps the pockets are the same cut, shelfs are the same but the boingy factor is different.

Shane went over and played Alex for $19,000 race to 40, he won 40-20, when we were in the room counting the $$$ we talked about the table in Cue Club and the tournment. The Cue Club table has a slow bed and boingy rails, Shane said in the whole session Alex ran a 3 and he ran a 2. I asked "Then why at the tournement was there packages and nothing in 60 games with Alex tonight?". He said what I expected "the rails are not as boingy and he could make more balls(more consistantly with shape on the new table-not total balls on the break) on the break and the CB was not getting kicked as often on the break on the new tables." On the old tables the CB gets kicked more often on the break, so less BNR's. How can anyone argue with Shane? please dont shoot me-i'm just the messanger. I been waiting for this thread to pop up so I could say this. Shane likes the new tables and the old ones too. He made it clear there is a difference. I didnt talk to Alex, but props to him for playing hard that nite.


respectfully

Fatboy

 

[realkingcobra]

thats posible but at the 10 ball tournemnt in May in Vegas Dechaine run a 8 pack on them, he told me they were easier, so did Shane. I played on them and they seem easier to me as well. the rails arnt as boingy and its easier to control the rock. so pehaps the pockets are the same cut, shelfs are the same but the boingy factor is different.

Shane went over and played Alex for $19,000 race to 40, he won 40-20, when we were in the room counting the $$$ we talked about the table in Cue Club and the tournment. The Cue Club table has a slow bed and boingy rails, Shane said in the whole session Alex ran a 3 and he ran a 2. I asked "Then why at the tournement was there packages and nothing in 60 games with Alex tonight?". He said what I expected "the rails are not as boingy and he could make more balls(more consistantly with shape on the new table-not total balls on the break) on the break and the CB was not getting kicked as often on the break on the new tables." On the old tables the CB gets kicked more often on the break, so less BNR's. How can anyone argue with Shane? please dont shoot me-i'm just the messanger. I been waiting for this thread to pop up so I could say this. Shane likes the new tables and the old ones too. He made it clear there is a difference. I didnt talk to Alex, but props to him for playing hard that nite.


respectfully

Fatboy

Didn,t I tell you the same thing when I recalibrated the rails and tightened the pockets on your Diamond?...I told you how it was going to play even before I changed it..LOL

 

[realkingcobra]

thats posible but at the 10 ball tournemnt in May in Vegas Dechaine run a 8 pack on them, he told me they were easier, so did Shane. I played on them and they seem easier to me as well. the rails arnt as boingy and its easier to control the rock. so pehaps the pockets are the same cut, shelfs are the same but the boingy factor is different.

Shane went over and played Alex for $19,000 race to 40, he won 40-20, when we were in the room counting the $$$ we talked about the table in Cue Club and the tournment. The Cue Club table has a slow bed and boingy rails, Shane said in the whole session Alex ran a 3 and he ran a 2. I asked "Then why at the tournement was there packages and nothing in 60 games with Alex tonight?". He said what I expected "the rails are not as boingy and he could make more balls(more consistantly with shape on the new table-not total balls on the break) on the break and the CB was not getting kicked as often on the break on the new tables." On the old tables the CB gets kicked more often on the break, so less BNR's. How can anyone argue with Shane? please dont shoot me-i'm just the messanger. I been waiting for this thread to pop up so I could say this. Shane likes the new tables and the old ones too. He made it clear there is a difference. I didnt talk to Alex, but props to him for playing hard that nite.


respectfully

Fatboy

Didn,t I tell you the same thing when I recalibrated the rails and tightened the pockets on your Diamond?...I told you how it was going to play even before I changed it..LOL

 

[jay helfert]

I have a new Diamond with the new cushions and the new pro pocket cut.

All I can say it is one of the toughest tables to play on I have ever seen.

You can not hit an inside rail with any speed and make the ball.

If you warp a ball down the rail it must be perfect to go in. The pocket facings are very lively and reject anything less than perfect.

Not my preferred table to practice on but is what I have. I have played on a lot worse.

Bill Stroud

Still warping balls huh!
Didn't you use to make cue sticks?

 

[RunoutJJ]

Warp a ball??? Sorry but that straight made me L-O-L :lol::lol::lol:

 

[peter_gunn]

I think a slightly smaller pocket with a little more forgiving angle cut would make the table less forgiving in tournament play and not so brutal in the real world.....

That,s perfect :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: