http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXD73BS__LI&feature=related
Hits them pretty sporty.
Hits them pretty sporty.
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Everyone's a champion when the misses are edited out.
I don't know who he is.
I don't know who he is.
Only problem is he can't make a straight in! 
Exactly and someone with entirely too much time on his hands
No, nope, nah!!
If you shoot this shot softly, with extreme spin, it will grab the object ball and throw it, gaining speed from the spin. When I have a thin cut and need to keep the cue ball travel to a minimum, I will spin the ball in. It pushes the ball to the hole, cuts it thinner because it eliminates cut induced throw, and doesn't take any speed at all to use.
The only time it will gain speed is if it hits a rail and the spin grabs. I usually dig into the cue ball a little so the spin wears off quickly and is not spinning when it hits the rail. It depends also on the object ball distance from the rail. Harder to kill the spin when it is close to the rail.
Best,
Mike
Mike-
'Dig in'. I've heard this term but don't know what it means.
Is this the 'drag' shot? where the draw wears off, and the ball turns over(starts to roll) but the side spin remains, to create that gear action to throw the thinly cut ob to the pocket?
Can you or someone describe the term 'dig in", please.
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extreme cuts
I could believe that hitting the shot super thin using extreme english with a slow to moderate speed would transfer a little extra energy to the object ball but not enough to run the ball 5 ft. as shown in one of the shots in the video.
I think this can only be acomplished on a super fast table. I'd be curious what the fabric is like?
I could believe that hitting the shot super thin using extreme english with a slow to moderate speed would transfer a little extra energy to the object ball but not enough to run the ball 5 ft. as shown in one of the shots in the video.
I think this can only be acomplished on a super fast table. I'd be curious what the fabric is like?
While this may (read you know dam* well it is) be edited, these shots are all relatively easy with outside english. I use this shot sometimes in 9 ball. Cutting an object ball that is near the end rail to either pocket with tons of cueball spin. Sometimes you end up over cutting the ball, it goes to the rail and back towards the first diamond of the same end rail. Cue ball goes 2 rails up table and angles to the same side of the table as you were trying to cut the ball into. Leaves a bank or safety most times as the cueball is now too close to end rail to use this same type of hit.
Bob Danielson
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Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
You're right about how far the object ball will move from the spin. It's two feet or so at most. But that's huge when you are trying to hold the cue ball.
When you cut the object ball thin, the cue ball travels about 7-10(?) times further than the object ball. When you spin the cue ball, this can be reduced by close to half. Even more if you don't hit a rail.
Watch the Pinoys. They use this shot quite a bit. Probably came from playing in those outdoor pool rooms with high humidity. You couldn't cut a ball unless you use english. The spin helps move and control the cue ball on a slow, sticky table.
Best,
Mike
Hey, Bill!
I tried to get a thread going before about digging into the cue ball. Very few takers. I've heard this term used more by billiard players, but it may be called something else by others.
The best way I can describe it is similar to a drag stroke, but with a lot more emphasis on the finish. I feel like I'm keeping my tip on the cue ball a little longer, but my follow through is very short. Make sense? It is a quick movement kind of like "snapping the whip".
I picked it up from watching many top players and playing against some of them. Efren is the king of the stroke as are most of the Pinoys. It takes an extremely relaxed grip to appreciate what you can do with this stroke. It is great for working in tight spaces where you need to make tight turns and quick draw to hold balls.
You usually see the top pros use this stroke on shots where the fast cloth will make the cue ball slide on the tangent line. They avoid this and hold the ball better with this technique. Watch Efren's back hand on a stroke shot. Johnny Archer's, too. I think Bobby Cotton was the first guy to show it to me. He called it closing your hand like a snapping move.
Best,
Mike
This kind of shot has been discussed here for two or three years. It is possible to cut an object ball off the foot spot shooting from a foot pocket into the other foot pocket. See also Joe Tucker's (jt10ball on Youtube) demonstration of Vernon Elliott's "impossible" cross-side bank.
The requirement for these shots is that the side of the cue ball that hits the object ball must be moving moving backwards at contact. That's far more side spin than most players ever apply, so they will never see the possibility in their own games. Also, the balls can't be clean and polished or the spin won't take well enough.
There is a problem with the video referenced above in that you can't really see the difficulty of the cuts. Here is another reference shot for people who want to try this sort of thing: On a 12-foot snooker table, cut the black ball to the corner pocket to your left shooting from the green spot. This is a "half-hour" shot. Maybe not more than 90 degrees, but I think outside english is required to get enough speed.
The requirement for these shots is that the side of the cue ball that hits the object ball must be moving moving backwards at contact. That's far more side spin than most players ever apply, so they will never see the possibility in their own games. Also, the balls can't be clean and polished or the spin won't take well enough.
There is a problem with the video referenced above in that you can't really see the difficulty of the cuts. Here is another reference shot for people who want to try this sort of thing: On a 12-foot snooker table, cut the black ball to the corner pocket to your left shooting from the green spot. This is a "half-hour" shot. Maybe not more than 90 degrees, but I think outside english is required to get enough speed.
The shots can be done on standard Simonis.
Look at this video,is the 3rd shot in the video even possible?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAZxBgWCEBk
I think that shot 3 can only be made with very sticky cushions or a trick table. I'd be willing to bet against on new cloth. The first shot is done by some with the cue ball on the side cushion -- see Joe Tucker's video.