2 more stolen cues recovered! Tank you God for stipid criminals

[risky biz]

Um Bill said he offered $500 reward and they said no. Robert Frost said that he thought they were negotiating. So the natural inference is that when the offer of $500 was rejected then it wasn't rejected downward in Bill's favor.

If Robert would have returned them for no money then why the negotiation (Robert's words)?

Now you are calling Bill a liar?

Discussing a sharing of losses and negotiating are the same thing. Robert says that Cornerstone gave a very strong indication that it was OK to discuss sharing of losses and that's when it became OK regardless of what you say. Robert Frost isn't under any imperative to say, "Oh no, never mind, I don't want to share the losses even if you're willing to."

Cornerstone emphatically communicated that he was more than willing to discuss the sharing of losses. If Robert Frost showed up at a meeting it logically follows that it had been communicated to him by Cornerstone that he was willing to discuss the sharing of losses or because he was just going to return the cues even if there was no sharing of losses. It's completely illogical that a lowlife criminal would show up at a meeting with the cues at all since he could have easily sold them elsewhere for much more than $2,000. Cornerstone says they're worth $11,000.

I don't know if Cornerstone is a liar but his story is very illogical and he's been deathly silent in his own thread for quite a while now.

 

[barking]

i could buy that a negotiation was alluded to by the owner. i find mr frost's story at least possible. Who knows? I dont. So mr frost was there to FORCE him to give more or what? lol. He brought the cues so one could at least consider that he was willing to simply return them. If the police dont have a recording or something to solidify this the its one man's word against another's.

 

[risky biz]

By the way, the owner of PawnStarz was on Motley Fool and he was asked what the biggest loss they ever took was. He said someone came in with a diamond ring and it all checked out and they bought it for $40,000. The next day the police came and confiscated it because it was stolen. The seller was caught because he had to provide I.D. - but the pawn shop was out the money with no compensation at all.

The only thing missing from your little story is the owner of the diamond ring offering to share Pawn Stars losses with them.

 

[risky biz]

RB, I guess I admire your dogged determination to try and make your point but, it takes more 'fabricating' to make Frost look good than it takes to make Cornerstone look bad.

Do you want to provide any examples of fabricating about Cornerstone? I can show you at least half a dozen about Robert Frost.

 

[JB Cases]

The only thing missing from your little story is the owner of the diamond ring offering to share Pawn Stars losses with them.

Huh? Well I don't know that the rightful owner of the ring offered to compensate PawnStarz at all. I doubt it.

The point was that PawnStarz was not entitled to ANY compensation from anyone when they take in stolen property.

I don't know why you can't understand that keeping possession of property that you know is stolen is a crime. You have no legal or moral right to ask for or demand or negotiate any payment or compensation from the legal owner of that property to insure the return of the property.

That's the bottom line. You do have the right to get a reward if one is offered. There have been instances where someone turned in property where a reward was offered, the reward was not paid and the person who turned in the property sued for and got the reward.

But that is not the case here. This is a case of trying to eat too much turkey and paying for it.

 

[JB Cases]

thanks ! what is funny the first criminals tried to sell me my cues back and got busted at cabellas! we met the second set of rocket builders at cabellas!and they got picked up. Robert frost out of ky. i offered him a 500.00 reward and he refused saying he wanted 2000.! that was all he could take! I let him know they were my property and i could just get them back. but he insisted on 2000 because that is what the sooo call guy he was gambling aginst lost!so i took my friends from the state police post and they took his car his phone and his cues. gave him a free stay ath the hotel ala cell block. and a couple felonys to roll with! AHH THE FUN OF EXTORTION! AND DRIVING ACROSS 2 STATE LINES TO COMIT A FELONY!

This is the post Bill made, it has been to date unedited.

Let's keep the story straight shall we.

 

[barking]

hmm

i read a cornerstone post where he says all conversations were recorded. if so, that will be hard to overcome in court unless there is some kinda loophole. hmm. will be interesting to see how this goes. i will wait and see.

mark

 

[JB Cases]

Discussing a sharing of losses and negotiating are the same thing. Robert says that Cornerstone gave a very strong indication that it was OK to discuss sharing of losses and that's when it became OK regardless of what you say. Robert Frost isn't under any imperative to say, "Oh no, never mind, I don't want to share the losses even if you're willing to."

Cornerstone emphatically communicated that he was more than willing to discuss the sharing of losses. If Robert Frost showed up at a meeting it logically follows that it had been communicated to him by Cornerstone that he was willing to discuss the sharing of losses or because he was just going to return the cues even if there was no sharing of losses. It's completely illogical that a lowlife criminal would show up at a meeting with the cues at all since he could have easily sold them elsewhere for much more than $2,000. Cornerstone says they're worth $11,000.

I don't know if Cornerstone is a liar but his story is very illogical and he's been deathly silent in his own thread for quite a while now.

Why would he want to continue to post in a thread where an attempted extortion has been tried and you keep saying it's his fault.

 

[barking]

this one

this is the post im refering to:

port huron bill is been caught and skipped for sentencing , and i did not leave 5000 of cues laying around . it was a breaking and entering and then extortion , and your upstanding guys had 4 days to return the cues for a reward but instead held out to extort me for 2000. and now are ratting on every body and there brother. all conversation were recorded and they admitted that , they knew the cues were stolen, and they took them anyway. they knew that it was illegal to possess them, they admitted that they held them from the rightful owner for a large sum of money. and they were driving on suspended and also robert was just picked up in march for a warrant ! these are your idea of great guys felons are felons cut and dry!. this is like saying that well in prison he only shot one person not like the others that murdered! so to your "what kind of guys these 2 are, they're nice guys (especially for this kind of lifestyle)". we will let the prosecuting attorney in a non billiard world decide how much time "extortion -receiving and concealing stolen property - and driving on suspended and transporting stolen property across state lines to commit a felony "Iam sure he will be thinking how great these two gainfully employed,top of there class pool playing hustlers should be allowed to be hugged and given a medal!

ok. im outta here.

 

[risky biz]

Huh? Well I don't know that the rightful owner of the ring offered to compensate PawnStarz at all. I doubt it.

The point was that PawnStarz was not entitled to ANY compensation from anyone when they take in stolen property.

I didn't say Robert Frost was entitled to compensation. You're fabricating again. I said that Robert Frost says that Cornerstone agreed to discuss a sharing of losses and that Robert Frost's version is logical and Cornerstone's isn't. It's so obvious, John, that in an attempt to score points for your version you have to twist, twist, and twist.

I don't know why you can't understand that keeping possession of property that you know is stolen is a crime.

It's hardly keeping it when he brought it to him. More twisting.

You have no legal or moral right to ask for or demand or negotiate any payment or compensation from the legal owner of that property to insure the return of the property.

He didn't "demand or negotiate any payment or compensation from the legal owner of that property to insure the return of the property". He brought the property to the owner without having received anything. You blithely turn everything inside out.

 

[joshmfhamlin1]

I know Robert very well... We have gambled with each other for a long time and for the record, he has NEVER done any drugs or drank that I have known of. He allowed me to stay in his trailer one night when I played in a tournament at the pool room he used to run, and we have had many talks about God and the Bible. Yes, what he did may be construde as wrong to some people, but like he said, he was going to return the cues for the original $500 if it came down to it, and I know he would have done it for free. I know it is hard to believe people in the pool world, but Robert is one that I do believe. I would give him $5000 right now to hold for me and wouldn't blink an eye about it. I know the kind of character this man portrays and I hate to see all the people on here bashing him without even giving the man a chance. I know you are all going to bash me now for sticking up for him but that's ok. It's America, so I respect your right to freedom of speech just as I would hope you would respect mine. But, please give this man a chance before calling him names or jumping to conclusions about his character. Thanks.

 

[risky biz]

Why would he want to continue to post in a thread where an attempted extortion has been tried and you keep saying it's his fault.

You know what? I really kind of think that after listening to the tapes and reviewing all the facts a jury is going to say they're not guilty of extortion.

They're going to ask themselves the very simple, logical question, "Why would someone with criminal intent try to "extort" $2,000 out of the person the cues were stolen from when they could more easily sell them to someone else for $11,000.

It will be interesting to see who is lying, exaggerating, and slandering.

If the jury finds them not guilty I'm sure you and others will have some comments about lowlife, criminal juries, too.

 

[risky biz]

I know Robert very well... We have gambled with each other for a long time and for the record, he has NEVER done any drugs or drank that I have known of. He allowed me to stay in his trailer one night when I played in a tournament at the pool room he used to run, and we have had many talks about God and the Bible. Yes, what he did may be construde as wrong to some people, but like he said, he was going to return the cues for the original $500 if it came down to it, and I know he would have done it for free. I know it is hard to believe people in the pool world, but Robert is one that I do believe. I would give him $5000 right now to hold for me and wouldn't blink an eye about it. I know the kind of character this man portrays and I hate to see all the people on here bashing him without even giving the man a chance. I know you are all going to bash me now for sticking up for him but that's ok. It's America, so I respect your right to freedom of speech just as I respect yours. But, please give this man a chance before calling him names or jumping to conclusions about his character. Thanks.

Exactly. They are spouting off about how much more ethically they would behave if they were in the situation Robert Frost was in but they haven't displayed the least bit of ethics in this thread right here and now. They're enraged that someone dares to even consider any version other than the one Cornerstone gives where he even drags in their freaking traffic tickets. That version smelled funny from the first three sentences.

 

[risky biz]

This is the post Bill made, it has been to date unedited.

Let's keep the story straight shall we.

Keep the story straight? As in, "Don't confuse me with additional facts or logic. I prefer the first version?"

You just will never get it.

 

[cornerstone]

Or Scenario #4 could be: "Hey, Cornerstone, I won these cues in an action game but later found out they were stolen from you. I want to return them to the rightful owner but I don't want to be out $2,000 either. Can we discuss that?"

Cornerstone: "Sure. Meet me at Cabella's."

But then this Frost guy wouldn't come off as so completely the lowlife criminal that everyone here seems to know he is after hearing one side of the story from someone who's been deathly silent since someone asked him a couple of simple questions about what he described as his friends in the state police.

I have been quiet because i have been at a cue show in chicago, and yes risky, your friend, admitted on taped conversations , that he knew they were stolen when he took them in payment on a gambling debit that he was out nothing except the time on the table.and his friend that he was playing asked to keep the cues 30 days until he could get them back because they did not want them getting out.. they admitted they knew they were stolen to me and the police. i did offer 500.00 reward but they would accept nothing less than 2000. because they can sell them anywhere for more. !! 1) they knew they were stolen and continued to play with them for close to a month all around the cincinnatti area. instead of returning them and accepting the 500.00 and telling us who they got them from. the decided to say the cues are worth alot more and "didn't you get insurance?" we will only take 2000 and we want to keep our friend out of this . even though he lost 2000 to us in a match he did not have . so they got to hand the rightfully over to the police and tell them who there friend was that told them to hold the stolen prop.

I was a victim of a crime.my stuff was stolen. roberts friend knew that and told robert to hold them until he could pay. robert told me and the police he knew they were stolen. 1 its a crime to posses stolen merch.2 its a crime to hold out for money somones possessions until they pay.3 its a crime to gamble in a non regulated manor.4 its a crime to drive on a suspended lic. 5 its a crime to be stupid enough to think its not!

 

[Hungarian]

The first crime was committed by the person who lifted the cues.

The second crime was committed by illegal gambling between the person who lifted the cues and Mr. Frost

The third crime was committed by Mr. Frost who attempted to extort ransom money for the safe return of the cues.

The rightful owner of the cues did nothing wrong and the gambling dept is not his concern.

Mr. Frost has committed two crimes in the eyes of the law.

Mr. Frost is not that great of a guy and not too smart based on these actions.

Pretty cut and dry

 

[Jaden]

In most places that type of betting isn't illegal...

The first crime was committed by the person who lifted the cues.

The second crime was committed by illegal gambling between the person who lifted the cues and Mr. Frost

The third crime was committed by Mr. Frost who attempted to extort ransom money for the safe return of the cues.

The rightful owner of the cues did nothing wrong and the gambling dept is not his concern.

Mr. Frost has committed two crimes in the eyes of the law.

Mr. Frost is not that great of a guy and not too smart based on these actions.

Pretty cut and dry

I don't know where this took place but in most places, betting on yourself in a game of skill is NOT illegal....

Jaden

 

[Hungarian]

I know Robert very well... We have gambled with each other for a long time and for the record, he has NEVER done any drugs or drank that I have known of. He allowed me to stay in his trailer one night when I played in a tournament at the pool room he used to run, and we have had many talks about God and the Bible. Yes, what he did may be construde as wrong to some people, but like he said, he was going to return the cues for the original $500 if it came down to it, and I know he would have done it for free. I know it is hard to believe people in the pool world, but Robert is one that I do believe. I would give him $5000 right now to hold for me and wouldn't blink an eye about it. I know the kind of character this man portrays and I hate to see all the people on here bashing him without even giving the man a chance. I know you are all going to bash me now for sticking up for him but that's ok. It's America, so I respect your right to freedom of speech just as I would hope you would respect mine. But, please give this man a chance before calling him names or jumping to conclusions about his character. Thanks.

What does the fact that Mr. Frost has never drank or did drugs have to do with anything. He is not very smart or good based on his actions. He tried to extort money for the safe return of stolen property that he knew was stolen property. He admitted this in his post. My conclusion regarding his character has been made. He is human and made a criminal mistake.

 

[Hungarian]

I don't know where this took place but in most places, betting on yourself in a game of skill is NOT illegal....

Jaden

OK, forget the gambling. Mr. Frost tried to extort money for the safe retun of stolen property and carried it across state lines.

Anything else?

 

[joshmfhamlin1]

What does the fact that Mr. Frost has never drank or did drugs have to do with anything. He is not very smart or good based on his actions. He tried to extort money for the safe return of stolen property that he knew was stolen property. He admitted this in his post. My conclusion regarding his character has been made. He is human and made a criminal mistake.

I read Robert's post, and he said they came to an agreement on $2000 and he would have taken the $500 if they didn't agree on it. He didn't "extort" cornerstone, they negotiated a price for a reward on the cues. There is a difference. I am not defending the actions of Robert, I'm just saying there are two sides to every story and you can't believe everything you hear or read. If everything mister cornerstone says is true, I am 100% in agreeance with him. If what Robert says is true, I also agree with Robert. I'm just saying don't judge a man by what others say about him. Go to the source and make sure you have all the true facts about people before placing judgement on them. Not saying that cornerstone is a liar, because I obviously don't know him, but I have never known Robert to be a liar. And if he is lying, it will eventually come out in court, or whatever process they are going through.