From seeing you play back in the day, I don't think was so much that you could pocket balls so much better than the top players back then. I think you had no fear of hard shots and balls to shoot them. Hope you are doing well. John
Two Shot Push Out - McCready vs St Louis Louie Roberts
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From seeing you play back in the day, I don't think was so much that you could pocket balls so much better than the top players back then. I think you had no fear of hard shots and balls to shoot them. Hope you are doing well. John
One thing I can say about Kieth, as we gambled in Costa Mesa one time/two sets @ the original hard times, when he got it goin' you could feel by his approach and shot alignment that the ball was made Well before he pulled the trigger. It felt like spot shots were hangars watchin' him.
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I like the new rule that if u.miss a shot and snooker your opponent, that your opponent has option to shoot or make u shoot again....what do u think pro?
East Coast...Archer, Strickland, Gulyassy, tom kennedy, joyner, daulton, stevie moore, larry nevel, pete horne, bud osbourne, dave bollman, tony watson....not to shabby a crew
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East Coast...Archer, Strickland, Gulyassy, tom kennedy, joyner, daulton, stevie moore, larry nevel, pete horne, bud osbourne, dave bollman, tony watson....not to shabby a crew
I look at it like a 5A school in Football playing a 2A school. When your melting pot has three times the players, the amount of greater players has to favor the larger demographic area, there are of course some exceptions. Now I wonder how many W.Coast 14.1 players that are 70 yr old could beat the herd of 70 yr old east coast players. Ervolino.................
Ahh yes blackie...pushout...that part of the game you never learned....lol.
And Island, that was one way we played pushout. There were two other iderations of 2 foul pushout. One was two fouls by the same player...meaning that you could push and push back and push...etc. ( not played very often...lol ). The second was the way Keith described...the player making the second consecutive foul gave up ball in hand. You had to get the rules down before you played everytime.
Still a better game that 1 foul...I know, thats what all us old guys say...yada yada yada...lol.
And Island, that was one way we played pushout. There were two other iderations of 2 foul pushout. One was two fouls by the same player...meaning that you could push and push back and push...etc. ( not played very often...lol ). The second was the way Keith described...the player making the second consecutive foul gave up ball in hand. You had to get the rules down before you played everytime.
Still a better game that 1 foul...I know, thats what all us old guys say...yada yada yada...lol.
I have written about this many times but still believe I saw one of the best 9 ball matches ever.
Buddy gave Louie the call 7, at Guys &Dolls in Shreveport around 73-74. If memory is correct, 8 ahead for $2000. Buddy won 3 sets ini about 26 hours. Buddy dismantled him. louie was in Shreveport for about 6 months afterwards, still iin shock.
What i remember best is that Buddy occasionally would push out, Loie would study the shot and just throw his arms in the air,and almost always took it in fear of letting Buddy back to the table.
Then again I am not sure Buddy ever got beaten there. I have never seen anyone that would have beaten him there.
Ironman I think you are right. I was stationed in Shreveport from 74-77 and was at Guy & Dolls almost every night. I don't remember Buddy getting beat in the tornament room in that period of time.
That was a great time to be learning the game.
Knifemaker
That was a great time to be learning the game.
Knifemaker
In Rags to Rifleman Buddy says he gave the 7 to Louie 3 times. He says Louie would go out and pump up and call him and ask if he could get the same weight again and Buddy said yes. Buddy said in the book that he could never understand why someone would ask him if he could have the same weight he already lost with.
Grady Matthews came to that room and played Buddy and neither of them missed a ball and Buddy still won. This prompted Red Box, the owner, to make a sign that said something like, 'you can come here and play perfect and still not win'.....as I remember it from the book.
Regarding 2 foul 9 ball - that's what I grew up on and it definitely made a shot maker out of you or kept you broke against the shot makers.
Under the old 2 foul rules BIH in the kitchen and if the lowest ball was behind the line it spotted, right?
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I'd say go ask Earl why they changed the rule.... Am Pretty sure NC is not west coast.....
lol indeed!
I would go for BIH after any miss, but the idea that an incoming player may shoot from anywhere other than where the ball lies is ludicrous, to me.
He's got a lotta theories on a lotta things...
After the second foul, it was ball-in-hand-anywhere.
Two foul was changed to one foul by Texas Express group to make the game faster.
If the first foul was a scratch,then it was bih behind the line.and spot the lowest number ball,if it was behind the line.
It may of been already said, but it was usually ''all balls spot'' no matter what, even off the table ones.
Who cares. Its one persons opinion. I am sure a lot of people can attribute the rule change to different things.
This is how I remembered it. That's why spot shots were such an integral skill to have back then.
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BTW, this could be completely wrong but I seem to remember reading that TE rules were instituted by the Jansco brothers at Johnson City and that's where it got its real foothold. I wasn't around the game at that time so I don't personally remember the history of how TE took over the universe like it did, but I seem to recall having seen this somewhere.