break cue tip life expectancy

mm4pool

mm4pool

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good day all,

i have a break cue which is 2 years old, only used 3 nights a week for league play, never abused, never left out in car during harsh weather. probably has under 200 shots on it. what would the life expectancy of the tip be? it is a samsara leather. reason for asking, during league match last night the tip, pad and part of ferrel came flying off. i am being told by manufacturer that the tip is considered a regular maintainance item and would be at my expense. this was over the phone, i am taking cue in tomorrow so they can examine it. tip.jpg

i do not want to state who the maker is until they have had a chance to look at it as i dont want to start any kind of war of words, i want to give them a chance to make right or are my expectations unreasonable??

your responses are appreciated.

Mike
 
Is the samsara tip installed from the factory?

I would say that the question should read more along the lines of" how long should a tip stay on a break cue"

I'm just saying that because it looks like the tip still has all of its original size.

I would also say that it really depends on how you break too.
If you mis hit with a phenolic tip or a samsara tip, there can be a lot of sideways force put on the tip, making it want to pop off.

I personally do not warranty break tips.
 
yes, the samsara was factory installed. and just as an added note my best break speed is only in the 18-20 mph range and i usually try to hit center ball on the break for better control. and yes the tip looks brand new with no chips or dimgs which usually show mishits and miscues.

Mike
 
I think after 2 yrs you got your moneys worth from a tip.

these things happen like tires on cars, time to pay for a new tip and ferrule if need be.
 
I generally agree with Trent that a tip is a maintenance item - end-user's responsibility. And even though the tip didn't wear down - Samsara break tips are NOT going to wear down - it has been two years of no problems. I mean, if you glued a coffee cup or a dinner plate back together two years ago with with "super glue" would you be disappointed that it broke again last night?

On the other hand, looking at the tip, what is all that gunk in the center of the tip? It looks like the ferrule was uncapped and with no protective pad. Was the center foam filled or is that maple? Hard for me to tell. But all that gunk pulling out with the tip might give you an edge with the manufacturer when they look at it.

Good Luck!

Gary
 
mm4pool said:
good day all,

i have a break cue which is 2 years old, only used 3 nights a week for league play, never abused, never left out in car during harsh weather. probably has under 200 shots on it. what would the life expectancy of the tip be? it is a samsara leather. reason for asking, during league match last night the tip, pad and part of ferrel came flying off. i am being told by manufacturer that the tip is considered a regular maintainance item and would be at my expense. this was over the phone, i am taking cue in tomorrow so they can examine it. View attachment 205765

i do not want to state who the maker is until they have had a chance to look at it as i dont want to start any kind of war of words, i want to give them a chance to make right or are my expectations unreasonable??

your responses are appreciated.

Mike
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Mike,

While I appreciate the anonymity, I will go ahead and tell everyone that it looks to me like it's one of our OB Break shafts. I would guess that you talked with David if you called in.

Having a look at it, the tip is fine, you've just had a problem where it and the pad came off. There can be lots of reasons for this, and it's pretty much impossible to tell which one is the real culprit. Miscues put a ton of lateral force on the glue bond, especially on really hard break tips like the samsara. The cue could have taken a sharp knock or slap from the side at some time. You know that sound when someone knocks a cue over and it slaps down on the floor? That can cause something like this. Of course, it could have been a glue issue too. Usually though, if we didn't put it on right it comes off much sooner than this.

Go ahead and bring it in to us. David or myself will get a look at it and see what we can do. We work very hard to not make promises based on phone calls or pictures, but once we get it in front of us, we always come up with a good solution. I am confident that you will be satisfied with what we can do for you once we get it in front of us. We can even give you the nickel tour too if you want. Make sure to call and let us know when you'll be there. We do lock up when we leave for lunch or errands, or when we just decide to go play some pool! (this hasn't happened in too long!)

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
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mm4pool said:
good day all,

i have a break cue which is 2 years old, only used 3 nights a week for league play, never abused, never left out in car during harsh weather. probably has under 200 shots on it..

Mike
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3 times a week X 52 weeks X 2 years = 312 nights of league play.

If you only got to break 200 times, you must really suck.:grin::grin:

Tips are a wear item, but like GB said. From the photo it looks like there could have been some installation issues.

good luck!

Larry

PS posted this at the same time Royce was posting!
 
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thanks everyone for the replies. yes Royce i did speak to david today and plan to come by tomorrow some time, will call first. yes actually i do suck even though you came up with over 300 league nights remember i didnt get half those breaks, a lot of nights i sat out so i think my estimate is pretty close. by the way 63k that was an outstanding looking cue you made for maniac.

royce my main concern is the "gunk" on the back of the fiber pad, it looks like either maple or some kind of combination of glue and wood. and my cue has never been knocked over or taken any kind of impact. i did miscue a few times when i first got the cue but in the last 6 or 8 months i have been hitting pretty much center ball so i dont think side loading played into this either.

anyway, thanks for your openness royce and hope to see you tomorrow.

Mike
 
cuejo said:
Is the samsara tip installed from the factory?

I would say that the question should read more along the lines of" how long should a tip stay on a break cue"

I'm just saying that because it looks like the tip still has all of its original size.

I would also say that it really depends on how you break too.
If you mis hit with a phenolic tip or a samsara tip, there can be a lot of sideways force put on the tip, making it want to pop off.

I personally do not warranty break tips.
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no way man. it's a break cue it should be able to take being broken with. i put my own tips on and break any way i want and never had one come off on me. it took some of the glue off with it so at least the center of the tip was glued down well.
 
RBC said:
Mike,

While I appreciate the anonymity, I will go ahead and tell everyone that it looks to me like it's one of our OB Break shafts. I would guess that you talked with David if you called in.

Having a look at it, the tip is fine, you've just had a problem where it and the pad came off. There can be lots of reasons for this, and it's pretty much impossible to tell which one is the real culprit. Miscues put a ton of lateral force on the glue bond, especially on really hard break tips like the samsara. The cue could have taken a sharp knock or slap from the side at some time. You know that wound when someone knocks a cue over and it slaps down on the floor? That can cause something like this. Of course, it could have been a glue issue too. Usually though, if we didn't put it on right it comes off much sooner than this.

Go ahead and bring it in to us. David or myself will get a look at it and see what we can do. We work very hard to not make promises based on phone calls or pictures, but once we get it in front of us, we always come up with a good solution. I am confident that you will be satisfied with what we can do for you once we get it in front of us. We can even give you the nickel tour too if you want. Make sure to call and let us know when you'll be there. We do lock up when we leave for lunch or errands, or when we just decide to go play some pool! (this hasn't happened in too long!)

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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bump for a stand up remark.....if i ever decide to play with a ld shaft i will try ob first...... rep coming your way...:thumbup: mickey ps frank cherry allways talks great about yall....
 
poolplayer2093 said:
no way man. it's a break cue it should be able to take being broken with. i put my own tips on and break any way i want and never had one come off on me. it took some of the glue off with it so at least the center of the tip was glued down well.
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You've never popped a tip off a break cue?
I put all my own tips on too..... Plus hundreds of others.
I will say that typically if a tip does not come off of the cue while it is being trimmed (on a lathe of course) with all of the force "pushing" the tip away from the ferrule, the tip will not come off due to a bad installation.
I have seen many tips come off of cues after a break for the reasons I mentioned.
A miscue or overloaded English can do it, as well as Royce mentioned, cues being knocked over.... Which as careful as we all are, happens nightly.

If Royce takes care of this like it sounds like he is, what a stand up move!
A tip comes off after 2 years and take it back? Unheard of
 
cuejo said:
You've never popped a tip off a break cue?
I put all my own tips on too..... Plus hundreds of others.
I will say that typically if a tip does not come off of the cue while it is being trimmed (on a lathe of course) with all of the force "pushing" the tip away from the ferrule, the tip will not come off due to a bad installation.
I have seen many tips come off of cues after a break for the reasons I mentioned.
A miscue or overloaded English can do it, as well as Royce mentioned, cues being knocked over.... Which as careful as we all are, happens nightly.

If Royce takes care of this like it sounds like he is, what a stand up move!
A tip comes off after 2 years and take it back? Unheard of
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just to be clear, i am NOT asking for a free tip replacement. i am concerned about the fact that the tip, the carbon fiber pad and wood from the tenon came off. and also i can gaurantee that this cue has never been knocked over.

Mike
 
break tip

I used to use the white diamond break/jump tip.

First of all I want to say that I love that tip. I jumps better than any tip I have tried. I breaks like a jackhammer.

All that I have put on, except one, have eventually popped off. My personal break cue lasted for 6 months. I let someone else break with it and PING,,,, it went flying to the other end of the pool room.

I tried thin ca, medium ca, ca gel, rubberized ca, 5 min epoxy, west system epoxy. They all came off eventually. They popped off from 1 hit to 6 months later.

On one guys cue I put on 4 of them.

As a cue maker or cue repairman, you look like an idiot when this is happening.

I gave up and don't use break tips anymore. I use a one piece phenolic combo ferrule/tip. I thread the tennon and ferrule and use epoxy.

I also use a hard water buffalo tip on a standard ferrule and glue it on like a moori or kamui.

No more problems.

Do they jump or break like a white diamond tip.... no.... but they stay on the cue.

just my personal experience

Kim
 
Hi,

I do a fairly large cue repair business from my pool hall and I stopped guaranteeing jump tips about 5 years ago. If any other tip fails I have a return for a new tip policy. The only times I have had to replace a tip is when the tip has failed but the glue bond was good.

On break tips (phenolic mostly) I see them come off at the glue line. I don't even stock them and I let someone else deal with that stuff, not me. I will put on a break ferrule no problem. This now opens up the BCA rule issue.

Mostly I tell people to use the brown colored Water Buffalo and that works.

JMO,

Rick G
 
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scdiveteam said:
Hi,

I do a fairly large cue repair business from my pool hall and I stopped guaranteeing jump tips about 5 years ago. If any other tip fails I have a return for a new tip policy. The only times I have had to replace a tip is when the tip has failed but the glue bond was good.

On break tips (phenolic mostly) I see them come off at the glue line. I don't even stock them and I let someone else deal with that stuff, not me. I will put on a break ferrule no problem. This now opens up the BCA rule issue.

Mostly I tell people to use a brown colored Water Buffalo and that works.

JMO,

Rick G
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Rick,

Good to hear........ for along time I thought it was just me.

BTW.. I have read that the one piece combo jump/break phenolic ferrule/tip is patented. Is that really true?


lol

Kim
 
mm4pool said:
just to be clear, i am NOT asking for a free tip replacement. i am concerned about the fact that the tip, the carbon fiber pad and wood from the tenon came off. and also i can gaurantee that this cue has never been knocked over.

Mike
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Mike

The nature of our cue shaft design has either balsa or some other light weight material in the center of the tip end of the cue shaft. Basically what this means is that the pad is held on by the glue bond to the ferrule, and the inner ring of actual shaft tenon. The glue bond to the center core doesn't have any strength, so it really doesn't play a role in keeping the tip on.

If a tip and pad comes off an OB cue shaft, most likely it will take some of that inner core material with it. This poses no real problems at all as the core is pretty much there to fill the void. So don't worry about the stuff on the back of the pad, it's not a problem. Just bring the tip and shaft in, just like they are, and we will get you fixed up.

I look forward to meeting you today.

Thanks

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Just bring the tip and shaft in, just like they are, and we will get you fixed up.

I look forward to meeting you today.

Thanks

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com[/QUOTE]

Royce,

That is awesome customer service! I'm not a player that uses OB shafts personally, but as someone that builds and repairs cues, I have a lot of respect for the way you are handling this and the customer service that you are providing. The next time I hear someone ask about aftermarket shafts, I will know where to send them for a good product and for great service.

dakota
 
follow up

Well i am back from OB's office. Royce was there and as discussed is a great stand up kind of guy. they put my break shaft back together at no charge. spent time while waiting shooting the breeze with Royce and David about all things pool related. Once again i am very impressed with their service and customer care. while there i had them put a new tip on my OB-1 shaft as well at a very reasonable price.

Thanks Royce and associates for a great product and great service/warranty. now if i could of just talked them out of some free swag(hat,shirt, etc) lol.

Mike
 
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