Can You Beat Yu Ram Cha???????????

Kevin,

Instead of wasting your time here on Hypotheticals, why don't you get your ass over here and try beat up on me???

:D
 
thefonz said:
If all things were equal, and any decent player were given the same amount of time and resources to develop their game, the percentage of members that could be competitive would be fairly high.
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I think it's a little unfair to think that this is WHY she is so good. Kelly, or any of the top tier female players, have the sponsors and the time to practice NOW because they put in the work BEFORE. She is not good because she has all day to practice, she has the time and resources now because she developed her game and now uses that time to keep it up.

I've never played Kelly before, but I'm sure I can't beat her :)
 
I could never imagine me beating Yu Ram Cha. She is such a petite woman. But I don't think I would mind her beating me. :wink:
 
So do the women play on the same equipment as the men?

For example,

are they playing on a 9' diamond pro am with the same tight pockets etc?

It always seems like when I see the women playing on TV they are playing on furniture tables or brunswicks with much larger pockets

A notable female player should match up with a male player in a triathlon event

10-ball on the 9' table
8-ball on the bar box
one pocket on the 9' table

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a female play one pocket other than in the Sarah Rousey TAR DVD.
 
Honestly, right now I do not think I could beat a lot of the top women, but it's not for the reasons you think.

I have dropped opportunities to beat significant competition, and I have been noticing it is simply because I have not been paying attention. I generally play less than 4-6 hours a week. I have been executing well, but simply haven't had enough time on the table. It's hard to really care about winning when you barely get any time to play.

It is really tough playing with world class players of either sex when you are out of the house at work 11+ hours per day. :-(

Russ
 
poolhustler said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-IhIAH_Y4M
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To preface this...NO, I don't think for a minute I could beat her in a long race...in a short race we all can have the sweet fairy of luck take a crap on us...so that's a "definite" maybe...

It was interesting watching this match against van Boening...I noticed that Cha frequently approached the table with what I can only describe as a "confused" look...like she had never seen the shot, or had no clue what type of shot to make...I'm not trying to knock her ability in any way, I just haven't seen that look on other pros faces as much as it seemed to be on hers during that particular match...
 
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JAMSGOLF said:
To preface this...NO, I don't think for a minute I could beat her in a long race...in a short race we all can have the sweet fairy of luck take a crap on us...so that's a "definite" maybe...

It was interesting watching this match against van Boeing...I noticed that Cha frequently approached the table with what I can only describe as a "confused" look...like she had never seen the shot, or had no clue what type of shot to make...I'm not trying to knock her ability in any way, I just haven't seen that look on other pros faces as much as it seemed to be on hers during that particular match...
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I watched the match also and saw a "look" on her face but it wasn't a "confused" look, at least to me. It may have been another look but I wouldn't classify it as confused but appreciate your perspective even though I don't agree with what "the look" was. I'm going to step out here and make a stupid guess from my own silly perspective. I think "the look" was actually closer to a look of false bravado designed to be a front for her against one of the best players on earth. She didn't need "that look" as she is a champion in her own right but I did see something and maybe I am wrong. However, there is no doubt that Yu Ram Cha is a COMPETITOR fo' shizzle.
 
CrisDeLaGarza said:
I think it's a little unfair to think that this is WHY she is so good. Kelly, or any of the top tier female players, have the sponsors and the time to practice NOW because they put in the work BEFORE. She is not good because she has all day to practice, she has the time and resources now because she developed her game and now uses that time to keep it up.

I've never played Kelly before, but I'm sure I can't beat her :)
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i didn't state this was the ONLY reason why, but it definitely is a major factor. no doubt she's a talented individual to boot. In China though, the resources of coaching and time to play/practice we most likely provided to her by the government long before she had sponsorship, or before she even turned pro most likely. not like here in north america, our athletes have to struggle in comparison, in China, athletes are identified, then bred through government sports programs.

i could be way off base, i only know what i read and watch from the internet and our skewed capitalist television broadcasts. Perhaps JB or some of our eastern AZmembers can chime in.:D
 
thefonz said:
i didn't state this was the ONLY reason why, but it definitely is a major factor. no doubt she's a talented individual to boot. In China though, the resources of coaching and time to play/practice we most likely provided to her by the government long before she had sponsorship, or before she even turned pro most likely. not like here in north america, our athletes have to struggle in comparison, in China, athletes are identified, then bred through government sports programs.

i could be way off base, i only know what i read and watch from the internet and our skewed capitalist television broadcasts. Perhaps JB or some of our eastern AZmembers can chime in.:D
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Isn't Yu Ram Cha Korean?

Thanks

Kevin
 
JoeyA said:
I watched the match also and saw a "look" on her face but it wasn't a "confused" look, at least to me. It may have been another look but I wouldn't classify it as confused but appreciate your perspective even though I don't agree with what "the look" was. I'm going to step out here and make a stupid guess from my own silly perspective. I think "the look" was actually closer to a look of false bravado designed to be a front for her against one of the best players on earth. She didn't need "that look" as she is a champion in her own right but I did see something and maybe I am wrong. However, there is no doubt that Yu Ram Cha is a COMPETITOR fo' shizzle.
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Total locked in competitor from what I've seen.

How about yourself vs her, say a few days of races to 21? How would you weight that match? Even?

Thanks

Kevin
 
Jeanette lee spotted a great player in Denver 250 balls playing straight pool race to 500 a few years ago- he never had a chance. he still lost by a ridiculous margin.
I used to let male ego dictate the games, but there are some DAMN good women shooters out there, that most guys are going to lose to.... I've learned to swallow some pride and not try to play like they are a female, play the game and forget who it is, let the balls decide who wins- not ego.
Yu Ram would ba lot of fun to play, but I'd probably be as distracted as when I play Ga Yung Kim a couple of years ago. Or Angel Paglia. Or.... lol Win some lose some, but don't just assume you';re going to win, no matter who it is.
kvinbrwr said:
I'm wondering how many of you folks figure you play better than Yu Ram Cha (or Jasmine Ouscan for that matter)? I don't mean beat her once in a short race, I mean consistently beat her because you play better?

A year ago I was watching a stream from the Derby where Jeanette Lee was playing (and beating) a male player that I judged to play better than me. I was on the phone with a guy (that was also on the stream) who plays about even with me and he was commenting on the fact that he would destroy her. I was wondering if we were both watching the same thing.

So I realize that that answers to this question might be a bit skewed by ego, or male ego, or whatever, and I'm not sure there's an accurate way (is there?) of judging speed with actually matching up for a few days, but:

Who here feels that play stronger than a top tier women's 9 ball pro?

Thanks

Kevin
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Where does Yu Ram fall on the WPBA rankings? I think she is a very good player and from watching her I do not think I could beat her playing rotation, maybe in a set here and there. I have played some ladies who have played or do play on the WPBA and have beat them. I played Iris Ranola and it was somewhat close but I did not like that and I would say she is Yu Rams speed or better.

She wanted to play Scott Frost I think even, he gave her the 7 out and the snaps I believe and he beat her pretty easily. I would think most male pros would give a female pro the 7 out or better, perhaps some could actually get the 5 out. Now that is a TAR match, Jeanette getting the 5 out from Shane, who would your money be on?

I am guess the top 10-15 ladies would be A players with most the rest being B players and on the bottom end of it they are C players. In Arizona I am rated an 8, Iris was rated a 9 when she played here, Angel Paglia was an 8 but recently got moved to a 9. I would say our 10 speed players could beat Yu Ram and some of our 9s could too, a few post on here.
 
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JoeyA said:
I watched the match also and saw a "look" on her face but it wasn't a "confused" look, at least to me. It may have been another look but I wouldn't classify it as confused but appreciate your perspective even though I don't agree with what "the look" was. I'm going to step out here and make a stupid guess from my own silly perspective. I think "the look" was actually closer to a look of false bravado designed to be a front for her against one of the best players on earth. She didn't need "that look" as she is a champion in her own right but I did see something and maybe I am wrong. However, there is no doubt that Yu Ram Cha is a COMPETITOR fo' shizzle.
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JoeyA,

Of all the people here on AZ, you above most have my utmost respect (not trying to kiss your arse!), so I went back and watched again (admittedly skipped to the parts I was thinking of...). I think there were several factors that lead me to think that she had a "puzzled" or "confused" look a lot of times...numerous missed "easy" shots - or ones that I would consider easy for someone at that level...the scratch at 12:59 - granted the shot buzzer was going off as she was shooting...numerous uses of extensions during the match when it didn't really seem they were necessary - I think this was the biggie for me - this one lead me to believe she didn't have the confidence or commitment to the shot to pull the trigger.

By all means, I don't know her game...perhaps that's how she always plays...and again just trying to explain my comment...the other biggie for me was the missed safety starting at 19:52 - that's really where it came across (TO ME) as a look of confusion...

It definitely wouldn't be the first time I couldn't "read" what a woman was thinking...and it probably won't be the last! :o
 
thefonz said:
i didn't state this was the ONLY reason why, but it definitely is a major factor. no doubt she's a talented individual to boot. In China though, the resources of coaching and time to play/practice we most likely provided to her by the government long before she had sponsorship, or before she even turned pro most likely. not like here in north america, our athletes have to struggle in comparison, in China, athletes are identified, then bred through government sports programs.

i could be way off base, i only know what i read and watch from the internet and our skewed capitalist television broadcasts. Perhaps JB or some of our eastern AZmembers can chime in.:D
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I've played in Shanghai for most of the last 10 years and the pool rooms I play in regularly have young wannabe players of both sexes getting coaching and playing, some starting at ages 9 or 10. I don't think they are "chosen" by the government. The ones I know and have played with come in after school everyday for coaching and play 3-4 hours. Then they go home to do their homework from school. Then on the weekend, they play all day.In cases where I have asked, the parents were paying for the coaching, in many cases by coaches from Taiwan.

The big advantages I see is they are all taught good fundamentals from the beginning and they get to play with great players every day. There are
handicapped open 8 and 9 ball tournaments somewhere in Shanghai almost every weekend where the only cost to play is loser pays table time. These youngsters play in these tournaments and some of the top players in China are there also so they are tournament tough.

One short story. A couple weeks ago on Sunday afternoon the young lady who manages the room where I play asked me to play with her younger sister. Her little sister is 10 and has been getting coaching from a Taiwanese friend for a year. I am only 5'7" and she didn't come to my shoulders but she could play. Beautiful stroke and pretty good strategy. When we finished, the coach, who had been watching and seen some mistake, took her off to a corner table for a lesson and then she practiced alone for a couple hours.
 
JAMSGOLF said:
JoeyA,

Of all the people here on AZ, you above most have my utmost respect (not trying to kiss your arse!), so I went back and watched again (admittedly skipped to the parts I was thinking of...). I think there were several factors that lead me to think that she had a "puzzled" or "confused" look a lot of times...numerous missed "easy" shots - or ones that I would consider easy for someone at that level...the scratch at 12:59 - granted the shot buzzer was going off as she was shooting...numerous uses of extensions during the match when it didn't really seem they were necessary - I think this was the biggie for me - this one lead me to believe she didn't have the confidence or commitment to the shot to pull the trigger.

By all means, I don't know her game...perhaps that's how she always plays...and again just trying to explain my comment...the other biggie for me was the missed safety starting at 19:52 - that's really where it came across (TO ME) as a look of confusion...

It definitely wouldn't be the first time I couldn't "read" what a woman was thinking...and it probably won't be the last! :o
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Figure that one out, make an instructional DVD, and retire! Every man on AZB needs a copy, every man breathing needs a copy!

Hu
 
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