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TAR puts on a few 100 game sets and that becomes the norm for gambling on pool. There are plenty of top tier male players that won't play races to 100. Best of 2 out of 3 sets in races to 15 for 10-ball are fine and races to 25 in 9-ball would be enough. Races to 100 are as close to a gaff bet for some players. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
TAR puts on a few 100 game sets and that becomes the norm for gambling on pool. There are plenty of top tier male players that won't play races to 100. Best of 2 out of 3 sets in races to 15 for 10-ball are fine and races to 25 in 9-ball would be enough. Races to 100 are as close to a gaff bet for some players. Johnnyt
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Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a long ahead set, the problem with that is that you never know when an ahead set will end, which poses a problem for TAR. It could end in a few hours, or it could end in a few days. best 2 out of 3 races to 15 is an okay format, but longer races would be better. One race to 25 isn't really a good format for gambling unless they can play more than one set, but then there is always the possibility of the two players breaking even. This would be bad for the players because after working that hard, they should get something, but I doubt many backers would pay anything for their horse breaking even.
 
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Johnnyt said:
TAR puts on a few 100 game sets and that becomes the norm for gambling on pool. There are plenty of top tier male players that won't play races to 100. Best of 2 out of 3 sets in races to 15 for 10-ball are fine and races to 25 in 9-ball would be enough. Races to 100 are as close to a gaff bet for some players. Johnnyt
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ill play any girl races to 15 for whatever.
so now do you want to back 1?
 
real bartram said:
ill play any girl races to 15 for whatever.
so now do you want to back 1?
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The original poster indicated that the female may be able to play with the men if she had a designated male breaker.

Is your offer to play with that stipulation, or just play her even without a breaker?
 
I don't see how there is any difference on the table between playing a man or woman. The only thing close would be the break speed, but you don't need the most powerful break in the world to sink a ball, just cue ball control.

I never thought there was such a big divide in players thinking that the top male players are that much better than the top females. I think the pool table is the most even place to match up in sports.
 
There is a difference in hand strength, muscle twitch speed and coordination (in very general terms) that make a difference in stroke consistency, stability of the bridge, micro muscle control, etc.

There are and have been women who can hold their own and have spent the same number of hours over their lives that top playing men have; but until one cashes top three the U.S. Open, I'll stand by my assessment that there are physical differences that matter.
 
Raider510 said:
I don't see how there is any difference on the table between playing a man or woman. The only thing close would be the break speed, but you don't need the most powerful break in the world to sink a ball, just cue ball control.

I never thought there was such a big divide in players thinking that the top male players are that much better than the top females. I think the pool table is the most even place to match up in sports.
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I agree with you that the elite Females can run with the male players,but only a
handful in my eyes.There's a couple of the Asian women that would give
anybody a run for there money but again,thats only a couple.Karen Corr
might have a real good shot at beating most men to.With her snooker
backround,solid potting and safety's she is an elite player for sure.
If you compare both the Men and the Women,there's far more men that play pool then women.I think if the Women competed more with the
men there game would go up, cause the level competition is much
harder.
To see a chart of most Womens events,you can pencil in your top 5
before it even starts.In the Men's,I find its alot harder to predict,due
to the broader range of talent.
 
scsuxci said:
Karen Corr
might have a real good shot at beating most men to.With her snooker
backround,solid potting and safety's she is an elite player for sure.
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Karen Corr played on a GB9 event last year and got nowhere, and the tables there are brutal - just flick a rail and it's not going in - which should suit a player with a snooker background.
 
TheThaiger said:
Karen Corr played on a GB9 event last year and got nowhere, and the tables there are brutal - just flick a rail and it's not going in - which should suit a player with a snooker background.
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To be honest, Karen's not been at her best these past couple of years. I don't know if it's just a matter of her not entering as many events as she used to, or if other things are occupying her life (hopefully good things). But the fact is, she just doesn't win/place/show as much as she used to -- just in the past couple of years, anyway.

-Sean
 
I find this subject so interesting. Not really because I'm all that interested in the debate, I'm really just surprised how many knowledgeable people actually think the women can play with the men. They can't. That's all there is to it. Look at West Point's post if you are unsure of why this is.

Don't we all remember when Allison was playing her best? I heard several stories from trusted sources about her getting beat by lower tiered pros and shortstops while getting weight. Do you guys really think the women are playing THAT much better than Allison was? I know the women have really improved in the last 20 years or so but come on now.

I'm quite certain Bartrum could beat all of them, and probably beat them pretty good. I even think there are shortstops that can beat most of the women, if not all of them. Men in general, just have better coordination than women. Is this really that big of a secret? This isn't meant as a knock on women. Actually, when you consider how great many of the women players are, it makes me respect them even more.
 
real bartram said:
ill play any girl races to 15 for whatever.
so now do you want to back 1?
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How I would love for THIS guy to come to Charlotte, NC - where some of the very best top level women pros live - and put this preposterous debate to rest.

I'll even provide home cooked meals and lodging.
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Steve H.
 
TheThaiger said:
Karen Corr played on a GB9 event last year and got nowhere, and the tables there are brutal - just flick a rail and it's not going in - which should suit a player with a snooker background.
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Not saying she's going to win but at least stand a chance if
she's on her game.She has the capability,where many other women don't.
 
Jay, my brother, thaw me out

jay helfert said:
I know many won't like to hear this but imo if the top seven or eight women players worldwide (China included) played in men's tournaments on a regular basis they would frequently cash high in the money and one of them (probably Si Meng) would eventually win one. The very best women players today are equal to all but the best men players, probably the same skill level as the second echelon pros. I'm talking about tournament pool here, not long races. The women are more conditioned to play Races to 9 and rarely play long sets. There aren't that many guys in this country who have to beat Kelly Fisher, Allison, Karen, Jasmin, Ga Young or any one of the top four Chinese women.
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I feel like I've been frozen in an iceberg for a few light years. All of these women champions from around the world? Gambling and shooting the lights out. What happened? In the 60s I was leader of the coalition to have females banned from the pool table areas. They killed the action. Today, this same sex would be shooting my cajones off.

Don't get me wrong, I love Allison and Gerda like sisters and, what person who ever met Ewa couldn't love her. Some years back I even produced a video on the WPBAs Hawaiian tournament, where I met fifty of the sweethearts of the felt. But all of the foreign guests and the matching up of the sex's and money talk . Man, I'm glad I hopped back into the pool world...or, at least, thawed out in time to see this and still be able to...
Keep it nice...Alfie
 
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I'm kinda surprised some of you guys think the gap has closed that much. If any of you would bet against Bartram even you must hate your money. I would still like to see it happen though :thumbup:
 
BasementDweller said:
Men in general, just have better coordination than women. Is this really that big of a secret?
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Men built the world. We invent, innovate and create. The greatest musicians, artists, writers, philosophers, thinkers, engineers, doctors, scientists et bloody al are men. And we can parallel park.

On the other hand, we can't multi-task and are off work the second we get a little manflu, apparently, so that's alright then.
 
TheThaiger said:
Men built the world. We invent, innovate and create. The greatest musicians, artists, writers, philosophers, thinkers, engineers, doctors, scientists et bloody al are men. And we can parallel park.

On the other hand, we can't multi-task and are off work the second we get a little manflu, apparently, so that's alright then.
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TheThaiger said:
Men built the world. We invent, innovate and create. The greatest musicians, artists, writers, philosophers, thinkers, engineers, doctors, scientists et bloody al are men. And we can parallel park.

On the other hand, we can't multi-task and are off work the second we get a little manflu, apparently, so that's alright then.
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what about the iron lady?

whether this is true or not, this is a topic you should not be speaking about in public...makes you look bad :)
 
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