Hate to break it to Schmidt but SVB does not only "break" better then he does, he shoots better too. It would still not matter over the long run, SVB would beat him because he strokes the ball better then Schmidt does.
could Xiaoting Pan compete with the Mens pros if...
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Hate to break it to Schmidt but SVB does not only "break" better then he does, he shoots better too. It would still not matter over the long run, SVB would beat him because he strokes the ball better then Schmidt does.
Thats great Jay, since it is a well known fact that there are not many guys in the USA that can hold their own on the international pool scene, 1 atm in fact. When talking about the best male players in the world today you are not looking at the USA after mentioning SVB. And when you are talking about the best female players in the world you skip the entire of North America all together. So why are you comparing the best female players on the planet with a country that everyone knows sucks atm on a forum where we have had that discussion about how much it sucks atm so many times?
Regardless, the money has been offered MANY times and the people who claim the women can beat the men keep giving their opinion endless lip service while not once putting their money where their mouth is. Bartrum who is nowhere near the top echelon of mens pool has offered to play ANY living female for the cash, if the women can compete with the TOP men then this would be no brainer action to jump at, but those yammering on about how equal the women play to the TOP men know their words are not worth the pixels they take up and they keep talking and avoiding the action that they know would prove their words wrong.
Now you are talking!!!!
That is an excellent idea!!!
My vote for female would be Xiaoting.
Exactly why "tighter pockets" is not that relevant. What's needed is long races- to 75 or 100. That's what will reveal the skill differential.
if any A player had svb breaking for them they could compete
Forget race to 100 for the women. Race to 15, 2 out of 3 sets of 10-ball with the magic rack, winner breaks and ref racks on a standard pocket 9' Diamond. I'd risk $500 on Yu Ram Cha, Ga Young Kim, Kelly Fisher, Meng/Sha Sha/and Fang from China, and a few more from out of the USA against CB. If it gets set up I'll put my money where my mouth is. I know I have no lock here but I i'd be on the edge of my chair sweating it. I think a match like this would sell on TAR because the sides are split on who will win and it's an unknown type of match up. Johnnyt
I've seen Fang and Sha Sha race to 21 and 35, 10-ball gambling at Star Billiards in the PI many times. They both have than more held their own with the 2nd tier players and also beat the top ones for the cheese sometimes.
I've seen Fang and Sha Sha race to 21 and 35, 10-ball gambling at Star Billiards in the PI many times. They both have than more held their own with the 2nd tier players and also beat the top ones for the cheese sometimes.
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I think they can compete with their own breaks. And as for Bartrum, I dont think he really wants any part of the top 4 or 5 women in the world. Even in a long race. If that ever happens on TAR ill be looking for action.
No. you miss the point that the lesser players like Raj and Oscar WERE bobbling balls, they were not splitting the heart of the pocket even on shots they made and on the tight table it actually made a difference because balls refused to drop, while on a loose table the increased pocket size limits the nessesary accuracy to get a ball to drop.
The point is Alex and Shane are the elites so they can play on the table. Augusta is a great course because only the elite players at their peak form can play well on it, the lesser players get chewed up by it time and time again.
The tight pockets will make those actual elite players in pool stand out and show us who the real second teir are.
As for the original op's question....negative ghost rider.
And as far as Chris Batrum playing the top women pros....he will unequivocally and without a doubt punish them. They would most likely need weight for it to even be remotely close. Would love to see it happen though.
Steve H.
And as far as Chris Batrum playing the top women pros....he will unequivocally and without a doubt punish them. They would most likely need weight for it to even be remotely close. Would love to see it happen though.
Steve H.
Thank you for your well thought out opinion. Too bad it doesn't relate to the post I made about the top women players competing against the men in tournament competition.
I have offered more than once to bet on a women like Kelly or Jasmin when they play in an open tournament. I will bet on them in ALL their matches against the men pros.
No takers so far, not even you.
P.S. Please save your pixels, I don't want you to waste them. :smile:
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Honestly, Jay's comparisons are completely appropriate and on point considering that is exactly the scenario laid out in the OP - a top international female versus two US male players.
The OP said nothing at all about her playing two US male players whatsoever.
I stand corrected, but he certainly was talking about an international female. I guess several posters have simply put out scenarios where a female player could or could not compete against the men.
I know JB has offered to back Kelly Fisher against just about anybody, and nobody has stepped up. How come? He WILL post the cash. Why don't YOU step up and back somebody to play her? Since you already "know" what the outcome will be...it should be a lock for you!
Scott Lee
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didnt accu stats just do a "push out match"...
You miss the point because any player can play 2 - 3 poor racks (which can be brought about by dogging 2 - 3 shots) in a race to 7, 9, or 11. Dogging one shot can cause a loss in a race that short.
The fact that someone did or didn't bobble balls in a short race is meaningless. The truth comes out in a long race whether the pockets are smaller or not.
Any top tier player should be able to pocket balls pretty consistently with 4 1/8" pockets. If they aren't able to do that in a long race then they just aren't top tier players. Having several flubbed shots in a short race is not necessarily a truthful representation of someone's skill level.
Are you sure about that? I seem to remember his bet being that he will take Kelly against every man she plays in a tournament. Meaning if Kelly plays in the US Open, you don't get to pick which opponents to bet on, if Kelly draws Joe C player in the first round, you have to take Joe C player. Even if she has a horrible draw, say Orcullo in the first round and SVB in the second round, he can only lose at most 2 barrels.
Thats quite a different bet than backing her against anybody. If he really is backing her against anybody, all he need do is make a few calls and I am quite sure he can get all the action he wants.
Chris Bartrum came on another thread and just flat out stated that he will gamble with any female even. I would guess that in a tournament setting that would probably be close to an even bet, maybe even slightly in favor of the top 5 or so women, but in a long race I think Bartrum would probably come out ahead due to his experience in that type of match.
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I don't need to back anyone, Bartrum has been BEGGING for this action. You want to put Jay's money in the box for him? Because Bartrum says he will happily play any woman alive even on his own dime.