IMO your reply is an admission of sorts. When it comes to column space for advertising ones work, you are the king. Whenever I read your posts I have to wonder why the rest of the world doesn't see things as well or as clearly as you do. No you don't come right out and state that, but if you are the accomplished writer you claim to be, you can't be innocent enough not to understand how your posts are bound to be taken.
What happened to the old cue gallery
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IMO your reply is an admission of sorts. When it comes to column space for advertising ones work, you are the king. Whenever I read your posts I have to wonder why the rest of the world doesn't see things as well or as clearly as you do. No you don't come right out and state that, but if you are the accomplished writer you claim to be, you can't be innocent enough not to understand how your posts are bound to be taken.
You should share all the pics you have time for. We all love pics. Just make sure it belongs in the section you post it.
I start my day looking at the cues posted in the gallery. New builder, master builder, perfect pics or terrible pics it doesn't matter. I enjoy them all and more need to be posted!
The GALLERY is for showing pictures. The CUE REVIEW is for talking about a cue. The FOR SALE section is for selling a cue. If you're a builder and need a buyer for a cue in progress it belongs in the for sale section. Every inch of the Internet is gammed packed with advertising and it would be nice if we could keep the gallery free of advertising.
It's not that hard to figure out. Given new members need time to figure out the system but the experienced have no excuse. Put your thread in the correct category.
I post every cue unless the owner asks me not to. "Is that cue for sale" is a common question asked in the gallery. If it was for sale it would be posted it in the FOR SALE SECTION.
Paul,
It was meant as an admission. I make no bones about it. In fact when someone attacks me I make it a point to say on task and keep promoting. I am not innocent in any sense but technical writing may come off a bit sterile and can be confused as innocent. I promote my cues and my shop methods built off of a QA/QC Manual and Procedures loosely based on 10CFR 50 appendix B. This is an extremely high standard and I doubt that many cue makers have approached it in this manner. Again it is an approach. When someone bashes me about my epoxy sticking, it is laughable as I know the out come and downstream ramifications form my testing and field monitoring as well as those who have mentored me that go back 40 years in the industry.
As far as how anyone accepts my offerings, thats up to them. They have the power to click the mouse or not. You sir have made statements that are questioning and observant. I respect your thoughts and I know that you understand that anything I do or say has nothing to do with you be comfortable with Paul Dayton within his own skin. The cues I post are never for sale and they are just an example of my wares and a look into my shop. People tell me they like it but I apparently some cue makers don't.
Your cues speak for themselves and I am sure you have a waiting list a mile long. I on the other hand am working on November bookings for custom orders as i just went full time last year after a 7 year build up to that as a goal I set and made happen.
Again, if one does not promote themselves and polish the apple, no one else is going to do it for them. BTW, I got a honors student daughter in high school that wants to go to Princeton. :shocked2: So I am a full time motivated maker of cues.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Rick
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I think that is against the rules now. Only used cues can be sold in the for sale section. At least that is my understanding.
Larry
Not quite Rick.
When someone clicks a page to read some responses to a simple question and if you post a ton of pictures in your answer, they have no choice not to click your post. It is part of that page and they will have to scroll down.
I'm speaking technically.
It is real simple there are more guys with a lathe calling them self a cue maker then there a cue buyer's with cash in hand.
You can give a five year old a canvas, paint and a brush and they can paint you a picture, but that doesnt mean it will be the Mona lisa. It is no different with cues, with all the cue specific equipment and free info via the internet. All it takes to build "a cue" is a little skill and a few bucks. IMHO people have to realize that a cue in it's crude form is nothing more than a stick with a leather tip. And really Efren beat the world with a 15 dollar cue, so what does that tell you? When you buy a high end cue what are you paying for? You expect that it is well made and the builder has a great reputation for building a great playing cue, those things we take for granted. What you are really paying for is art, plain and simple. So my point is that it may not be very difficult to start building cues but to have the talent and skill to bulid great playing works of art is still going to belong to only a handful of makers. To relate this to the subject at hand. All the pics from all the different levels of makers is a great way of educating the buyer of the subtle differences between "a cue" and a monster. As well as all the levels in between.
I'd like to approach this from a different perspective. Tikkler, Your collection has to be one of the nicest in existence! Your skill in photographing them is also top notch. That being said, maybe some of the smaller collectors or the person that has bought one really nice cue and doesn't have the same photography skills may feel it's not worth posting next to your amazing collection.
I've been making cues for about ten years and enjoy the AZ community because was all have a love for the game and cues. When I post pics of my cues it is to share my cues with an audience that will appreciate the hard work that goes into them.
AZ has expanded to meet its needs. I really think it may be time for not just a sticky thread for cuemakers cues, but a separate forum for cues in progress.
I've been making cues for about ten years and enjoy the AZ community because was all have a love for the game and cues. When I post pics of my cues it is to share my cues with an audience that will appreciate the hard work that goes into them.
AZ has expanded to meet its needs. I really think it may be time for not just a sticky thread for cuemakers cues, but a separate forum for cues in progress.
Steve
The same thing that has happened to the Gallery has happened to the For Sale section. I think its as the site becomes more popular it becomes a little more common in its interests. Where the For Sale section used to be lots of high end cues, its now lots of production cues and stuff like that. The Gallery is the same deal, where it was guys like you showing off monsters and their new cues from big makers, now its now some pretty common stuff. I think its the way or the world as far as what happens online when places become more popular and less "elite" in taste. I think its just a can't fight them deal but I wish the new cue makers and guys that buy from them would be a bit more open-minded and maybe learn a little something before spouting off about "all they know".
Your method of collecting is super respectable. Seems to me you buy mostly new cues directly from the maker, and that supports the people that support the industry, so, kudos to you for sharing the wealth, I'm sure there are several cue makers that really appreciate you.
Thanks
Kevin
The same thing that has happened to the Gallery has happened to the For Sale section. I think its as the site becomes more popular it becomes a little more common in its interests. Where the For Sale section used to be lots of high end cues, its now lots of production cues and stuff like that. The Gallery is the same deal, where it was guys like you showing off monsters and their new cues from big makers, now its now some pretty common stuff. I think its the way or the world as far as what happens online when places become more popular and less "elite" in taste. I think its just a can't fight them deal but I wish the new cue makers and guys that buy from them would be a bit more open-minded and maybe learn a little something before spouting off about "all they know".
Your method of collecting is super respectable. Seems to me you buy mostly new cues directly from the maker, and that supports the people that support the industry, so, kudos to you for sharing the wealth, I'm sure there are several cue makers that really appreciate you.
Thanks
Kevin
thanks
Kevin, thank you for the kind words. I find myself talking all the time about how times are changing so quickly around us. It especially seems the thing to do when you reach 60 and cantfigure out how to use an Iphone.
Maybe your right that this is how its going to be, but if thats the case I believe we are going to lose almost all of the "HERES MY NEW HERCEK' posters
Kevin, thank you for the kind words. I find myself talking all the time about how times are changing so quickly around us. It especially seems the thing to do when you reach 60 and cantfigure out how to use an Iphone.
Maybe your right that this is how its going to be, but if thats the case I believe we are going to lose almost all of the "HERES MY NEW HERCEK' posters
If you have something to say, Rick, say it & say it clear so everybody can see. Sack up & say what you got to say. Your underhanded insults are cowardly & annoying at best. If you're going to come at me, wouldn't you think you should at least know me? How can anything you say about me have any credibility at all if you don't know me? It doesn't. If you wish to call me arrogant, stupid, or close minded, then say it like a man without tip-toeing around about it or insinuating it. Then explain exactly how you know it. Tell the world how you, a person I have never met, knows so much about me.
So far in this thread you have accomplished insulting the ACA, one of our veteran builders, and one of the biggest cue buyers on the planet. Nice job. What's your agenda? What's your end game? Spill the beans, Rick. What is it that you want?
I used to post before and after repairs so people could see what goes into it. There is nothing worse than putting hours upon hours into a piece of work, one that you are especially proud of, just to have someone kick you in the groin because it isn't the way they think it should be. It only takes one comment to get that ball rolling. I don't see it as worth it. Now, I post to my facebook page where I have control over the comments. I don't mind constructive criticism or debate but sometimes it gets down right ugly.
You're correct. I will refrain from arguing. Need to stop that habit, anyway.
hey
I absolutely think we are losing posters. The general theme and feeling of this gallery has changed, without a doubt. Whether it is for the better or worse....thats everyones individual opinion
I absolutely think we are losing posters. The general theme and feeling of this gallery has changed, without a doubt. Whether it is for the better or worse....thats everyones individual opinion
I just have to ask.
What's preventing some to post their newest best hitting and looking cues here then putting it on sale the week after ?
A new SW and PFD iirc.
What's preventing some to post their newest best hitting and looking cues here then putting it on sale the week after ?
A new SW and PFD iirc.
That would suck. Unfortunately, this is the internet & anybody can be anything they want to be on the internet. I wonder if it works in other fields? I wonder if I join a medical forum & pretend to be a doctor, argue with the real doctors & show how stupid they are, I might get some patients? You think it would piss off the real doctors? They'd know i'm an idiot right away because they have experience, but how many patients do you think would actually understand the difference? If I talked nice to the patients & told them what they wanted to hear, they'd like me. If I teamed up with the other pretenders & talked big like I am a super doctor, then I could become really important in that virtual world, regardless of what the real doctors say. Hmmm, seems awful similar to AZ, huh?
And what would you think should be done about it? I see what you see & understand completely what you're saying. I even agree with you. But what can actually be done?
Joey,
You have a current post showing 4 plain Jane cues that has over 4000 visitors and most of them well wishers of appreciation. Pretty impressive attention to Joey cues.
My point is I have visited that thread 20 times to watch the progression of the builds. I posted several times in a positive way to bump your thread and it was my true feelings. I am very supportive of all cue makers here and I have never posted a negative word about anyone unless they attacked me directly or by obvious sarcastic overt innuendo as was the case with Steve Klien. If you don't like me, ignore me or let me know. Direct communication always leads to understanding.
If I had a bitter enemy and I knew he was walking into a dark alley with an open manhole it would be my job to warn him. Not rationalize that his injury after the fact was somehow not my fault. My point is there is no need for bantering or one upsmanship between cue makers. We should all stick together and not criticize or try to be clever to make negative statements. Anyone who does not protect their own reputation with rebuttal is walking willfully into the manhole that someone has opened.
My mom always told me, if you don't have something to say positively about someone, say nothing. I have always tried to heed her advice and anytime that I have failed to follow the golden rule I will be the first to admit that I was acting improperly. The only way to fix it is to apologize and hope for forgiveness.
Rick
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