Whats the deal with Micarta ferulles?

[rhncue]

Hi,

Anyone who has read any of my posts here about micarta and did not see where I painstakingly qualified that the material I was talking about was not the Westinghouse sheet material but a rod material will have to re read the posts or continue to believe what they wish to believe.

I worked in the power industry for over 30 years and know thousands of employees working for over 25 utility companies that I had under contract. The material I have spoke about was used for many years on power grids and had to be removed from service and remediated because of the EPA standards regarding asbestos. My research before buying my rod was one on one with professional linemen I knew who where tasked with said removal of this material from service. I did not receive any material from them but bought if from someone who was in the cue making biz for 40 years.

Last year I sold some ferrules in "Wanted For Sale" which it had nothing to do with this thread about sharing info about "whats the deal about micarta ferrules". Bringing up that old "For Sale" thread has nothing to do with the info being shared here and was distraction IMO to try to discredit me and assume that my talking about it here was to promote sales. Not

So if you wish to take anything I said here and twist it around to fit your liking, knock it, or say what ever, that is your prerogative and I am ok with that. If you are friends with Eric and don't like me because of the pissing match, I understand that. AZ should not be about politics but about sharing the truth.

I am a research and experience motivated person who does my homework and works as hard as I can all the time to tell it like it is. If you don't like that, don't read my posts. If you wish to bash them go for it.

I guess it is better to not bring up information about a subject and share it hear as some people can not or do not wish to read and comprehend truths. That's too bad and I am saddened by that fact. This forum should be about sharing things between professionals.

Any path to enlightenment in any endeavor starts with having a questioning attitude without prejudice from a position of humility. I have made the mistake to assume that everyone shares this vision. Guilty as charged your honor!!!!

JMO,

Rick

Handbook on GE Asbestos Micarta

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1943-WWII-P...se-General-Elec-MICARTA-product-/310396728045

Quote: "But again, there is only one". Not!!!!!


1943/WWII Info on the PLASTIC INDUSTRY'S ASBESTOS USE



Informative hardcover book printed by D. Van Nostrand Co. in good condition gives at least 1000 pgs of detailed info on all types of plastics in use in 1943--their trade names,manufacturers & usages. Lots of charts/tables/diagrams. The consulting engineer was the Editor of Plastics Newsletter & Plastics World. One of the authors/advisors even worked for the Technical Service Division of Plaskon Co. so was very familiar with these products,what they were made from & how they were designed to be used for industrial,military & commercial purposes. This time period was the cutting edge of the plastics explosion, mainly developed by the government for use in the war effort.

"The book is designed to present exhaustively and yet with proper selection the fundamental basis and technology of the plastics industry....it contains nine major sections...the authors intend that these sections should cover fully the present state of the industry, the physical and chemical properties of plastics, their production, manufacture and finishing, and all of the useful information which anyone working with plastics in any part of the industry or anyone desiring full and complete information on plastics should find in a well organized and thorough treatment of the subject," the Preface states in part.

MANY pages on ASBESTOS use throughout the book, from applications in a base for laminates, as fillers, how ASBESTOS paper was used, as well as the why properties of ASBESTOS made it ideal for many purposes. There are also many pages on General Electric's product MICARTA--it's applications, fabrication, molding, physical properties, manufacture of plates.(see scan)



Preface names Advisory committee members employed by:Celanese Corp; Catalin Corp; Plaskon Co.; U.S. Dept of Agriculture; Monsanto Chemical Co.; Bakelite Corp; Dow Chemical Co.; Chicago Molded Products Corp.; Tennesse Eastman Corp.; Durite Plastics; MICARTA DEPT., Westinghouse Electric & Manufacturing Co.; E. I. du Pont de Nemours & Co.; Boonton Molding Co.; Durez Plastics & Chemicals Corp.; GENERAL ELECTRIC Co; Shaw Insulator Co; Synthane Corp.; Detroit Macoid Co.

Outline Table of Contents: Part. 1. Introduction; Pt. II. Physical Properties of Plastics; Pt III. Materials; Pt. IV. Manufacture of Plastics; Pt. V. Processing & Fabrication: Pt. VI. Chemistry of Plastics; Pt. VII. Application of Plastics; Pt. VIII Commercial Considerations.; Pt. IX. Appendix--Glossary--Bibliography. Many charts, graphs, diagrams (listed are 129 Tables).

A more detailed table of contents also exists which includes such as "a Survey of the Industry" listing nearly each company above's contributions as well as Union Carbide & Carbon Corp.; American Cyanamid; Carbide & Carbon Chemicals Corp;, Catalin Corp.; Continental Diamond Fibre Co.; Dow Chemical.


Everything you want to know about PLASTICS & the use of ASBESTOS in industrial & everyday products! Great for the ASBESTOS litigator! I have marked many of the ASBESTOS pages with post-it tabs but this book is just too thick & full of information to do a thorough study myself--no doubt you'll find even more than I have when you examine it more closely with your needs in mind!

Micarta
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Micarta is a trademark of Norplex-Micarta industrial high pressure laminates and refers to a composite of linen, canvas, paper, fiberglass, carbon fiber or other fabric in a thermosetting plastic, originally used in electrical and decorative applications. Micarta was developed by George Westinghouse at least as early as 1910 using phenolic resins invented by Dr. Leo Baekeland. These resins were used to impregnate paper and cotton fabric which were cured under pressure and high temperature to produce laminates. In later years this manufacturing method included the use of fiberglass fabric, other resin types were also used. Today Micarta high pressure industrial laminates are produced with a wide variety of resins and fibers. The term has been inappropriately used to generically refer to most resin impregnated fibre compounds. Common uses of modern high pressure laminates are as electrical insulators, printed circuit board substrates, and knife handles.

I have 5 lbs. of carp eggs. 100.00 an ounce. I'ts beluga caviar only it's made from carp and most think it is much better! Get it while you can.

I rest my case.

Dick

 

[scdiveteam]

WOW? What an amazing point of view!

 

[danutz]

There's no way around it, folks: historically, there have been several materials referred to as Micarta, yet only one of them has become known as the ferrule material some fondly call the "yellow stuff". It would be more helpful, IMHO, if those in the know stopped insisting "there is only one Micarta". That, to me, is the source of all misunderstandings.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.

People are'nt saying there's only one micarta, they're saying there's many so called micarta's, but only one that's highly sought after by pool players.
Can you hear the theme song from Highlander?, good, now repeat after me. "There can be only one", and it is westinghouse paperbased flat lam, aka "old yeller", i have no rivals, because i am the king of kings, da, da, da.
Now, feel the quickening, as lightening, and enlightenment flows thru you, Daniel san, i mean Connor san, i mean David san

 

[acousticsguru]

There's no way around it, folks: historically, there have been several materials referred to as Micarta, yet only one of them has become known as the ferrule material some fondly call the "yellow stuff". It would be more helpful, IMHO, if those in the know stopped insisting "there is only one Micarta". That, to me, is the source of all misunderstandings.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.

People are'nt saying there's only one micarta, they're saying there's many so called micarta's, but only one that's highly sought after by pool players.
Can you hear the theme song from Highlander?, good, now repeat after me. "There can be only one", and it is westinghouse paperbased flat lam, aka "old yeller", i have no rivals, because i am the king of kings, da, da, da.
Now, feel the quickening, as lightening, and enlightenment flows thru you, Daniel san, i mean Connor san, i mean David san

Funny - now you're trying to pull the leg of the one of the few who knew all along which is which, provided (additional, no more, no less) info for all to see which is which, and who won't complain about someone else being at fault for his ignorance?! Hmm… I'd say I'm through with this thread.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[acousticsguru]

Micarta was developed by George Westinghouse at least as early as 1910 using phenolic resins invented by Dr. Leo Baekeland. These resins were used to impregnate paper and cotton fabric which were cured under pressure and high temperature to produce laminates. In later years this manufacturing method included the use of fiberglass fabric, other resin types were also used. Today Micarta high pressure industrial laminates are produced with a wide variety of resins and fibers. The term has been inappropriately used to generically refer to most resin impregnated fibre compounds. Common uses of modern high pressure laminates are as electrical insulators, printed circuit board substrates, and knife handles.

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Dick

All good, but why won't you highlight the whole of the relevant part - where it says there have always been several to begin with? The problem to us pool players (and you cue makers) has never been how many of these materials one may rightfully refer to as Micarta - none of us is going to pay top dollar for most of the ones that are rightfully called that and use them as a ferrule material on their cue, let alone the others that are not. "'Tis but thy name that is my enemy. Thou art thyself…" – NOT!!

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[PickPocket]

What I'm taking aways from this.....

1. The old original non-Phenolic looking stuff is what Majority of people consider valuable.
2. Hasn't been manufactured in a very long time.
3. You must be careful when working with this as it may fracture due to heat.
4. People who own it, are done selling it, save it for that "Superior" hit for their own products.
5. Original (non woven type) doesn't contain Asbestos, later variations of material, also compared to this "may, or may not". So be careful when machining it use correct P.P.E.
6. Buy it if you find it!! Play it if you got it!!


Anything I missed?

Ps. Thanks for all the posts guys Learned a lot. (About material, and people!) :thumbup:

 

[meridianblades]

By the way, I'd like to refer whomever wants to know all about Micarta to knife/blade forums, because in contrast to us pool players, they're interested in and use many if not all the different ones. Admittedly, I'm a bit weary of consulting one of my dearest friends, a chef and former billiards student of mine who makes his own knives - I'm afraid I'll end up knowing more about all the Micartas I need not even know anything about than a stop shot…

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

HAHAHAHA..........pesky knifemakers !

 

[scdiveteam]

1. The old original non-Phenolic looking stuff is what Majority of people consider valuable.
2. Hasn't been manufactured in a very long time.
3. You must be careful when working with this as it may fracture due to heat.
4. People who own it, are done selling it, save it for that "Superior" hit for their own products.
5. Original (non woven type) doesn't contain Asbestos, later variations of material, also compared to this "may, or may not". So be careful when machining it use correct P.P.E.
6. Buy it if you find it!! Play it if you got it!!


Anything I missed?

Ps. Thanks for all the posts guys Learned a lot. (About material, and people!) :thumbup:

Hi Pick,

Everything you said in 1 thru 6 is consistent with my experience as I have machined both Westinghouse and General Electric with the asbestos paper aggregate as well as some of the other more modern non asbestos materials called micarta which is like Kleenex or Xerox in the vernacular.

One thing I can add is that when you do machine the asbestos stuff, there is a distint odor present that is very pungent and unmistakable even when it is wet. It is a dead give away or tell. When ever you work with it, please keep it wet, wear a mask and make sure your vac system is not discharging within your shop.

And yes, it is very heat sensitive, you must keep RPMs low ( i use 400 ), take your time peck drilling the blind hole with a stub drill clearing with air a lot and step drill it very carefully while clearing the hole with air a lot while refilling the hole with Tapfree cutting fluid all of the time. This has worked very well for me but I ruined a few ferrules before I figured that out.

If you are not very deliberate, and take your time the heat will build up and ruin the piece. If you try to machine it like doing Ivory, it can pop like a sidewalk pearl bomb and crack stat.

And you are also right, this stuff is reserved for my high end playing cues only.

Good cue making,

Rick

BTW, with all of the stuff that was going on in this thread, we never got to talk about using asbestos micarta as a joint material in conjunction with the ferrules on the shafts. IMO, it produces a hit that is so solid yet very quiet transmitting the feel of the hit to the arm like nothing else. I suck at pool and I have to take the word of players of consequence but once and a while I can put a good measured stroke on the ball. Even a rip off, crook, lying blind squirrel like me finds an acorn now and then. LOL. :deadhorse:

 

[rhncue]

All good, but why won't you highlight the whole of the relevant part - where it says there have always been several to begin with? The problem to us pool players (and you cue makers) has never been how many of these materials one may rightfully refer to as Micarta - none of us is going to pay top dollar for most of the ones that are rightfully called that and use them as a ferrule material on their cue, let alone the others that are not. "'Tis but thy name that is my enemy. Thou art thyself…" – NOT!!

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

Dude, do you have trouble understanding English? I know what Micarta is since I've been using Micarta's since the late 60's. I've probably commented on over 20 threads considering it. Earlier in this thread I commented on it. Micarta was the trade name for all of the phenolic's and some other materials that they made. Everyone seems to understand this but you. The Micarta that was popular in the 50s, 60s 70s and early 80's until all was gone was referred to as "Yellow Micarta" which was a Micarta that was used for high temperature, high voltage situations and was made out of an asbestos base. Unlike most of the other products made by Westinghouse, the Yellow Micarta was not a phenolic. Truthfully, I haven't seen any pictures of the real stuff in this thread. The stuff I've used, and still have access to is a much deeper yellow and has no grain that I can see. When it was purchased from Westinghouse it came in 4x8' sheets at what ever thickness you desired. I don't know what all chemicals that made up it's formulation but it was an emulsion containing asbestos and poured into a 4x8 form.

The reason that I had one line in red was that I was making it known that there was and still is only one corporation allowed to use the name Micarta which was and is a registered trademark of Westinghouse and now Norplex whom bought Westinghouse's phenolic process when they quit. That particular line stated that: "The term has been "IMPROPERLY" used to generically refer to most resin impregnated fibre compounds." That is what I was commenting on. Just because it is a phenolic and contains asbestos does not make it the "REAL DEAL". Of all of the Micarta's and all of the other materials, there is only ONE old yellow Micarta. Like has been stated the GE imitation is harder and although it may have asbestos in it and may well have been made for high temperatures also, the formulation most certainly must be different.

Dick

 

[Buster8001]

....and was made out of an asbestos base. Unlike most of the other products made by Westinghouse, the Yellow Micarta was not a phenolic. Truthfully, I haven't seen any pictures of the real stuff in this thread. The stuff I've used, and still have access to is a much deeper yellow and has no grain that I can see....
Dick

Hey Dick, can you please post a picture of the material mentioned above in your post (quote). This is contrary to everything I know to be true regarding the Micarta variation in question.

The center ferrule in the following link is what I know to be the Micarta in question:
http://dzcues.com/images/ferrule-images/micarta%20comparison.jpg

Here is the same material freshly cut:
http://dzcues.com/images/ferrule-images/k.jpg

Thank you,
Josh

 

[acousticsguru]

Dude, do you have trouble understanding English?

Apparently not. You seem smart, thus must know full well I was pointing to your making your post look as if on an agenda instead of (in all fairness: on top of) contributing information, intentionally or unintentionally (= doubt the latter) detracting from its valuable content. I also doubt very much you read what I posted in this thread.

Let's see now: the short version appears to be you're basically confirming what I and others have said, with the exception that you don't think any of what anyone pictured (and that includes the following two that I used) in this thread are not the "real thing" (by which, apart from confirming it to be one of several versions/indeed materials of what can rightfully be referred to as Micarta, you do appear to be thinking of the same early yellow flat-flaminated yellowing material praised by players and cue makers as being "it"):


Second pic in the middle only, of course:


You think this is the real thing:



And that this can't possibly be:



Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[scdiveteam]

Apparently not. You seem smart, thus must know full well I was pointing to your making your post look as if on an agenda instead of (in all fairness: on top of) contributing information, intentionally or unintentionally (= doubt the latter) detracting from its valuable content. I also doubt very much you read what I posted in this thread.

Let's see now: the short version appears to be you're basically confirming what I and others have said, with the exception that you don't think any of what anyone pictured (and that includes the following two that I used) in this thread are not the "real thing" (by which, apart from confirming it to be one of several versions/indeed materials of what can rightfully be referred to as Micarta, you do appear to be thinking of the same early yellow flat-flaminated yellowing material praised by players and cue makers as being "it"):

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David,

Sometimes discussions here are like going to "Planet of the Apes". Reality is turned upside down as monkeys are in power and exert control. My son tells me that people from Switzerland speak German, French and Italian as well as other languages with English as the business language. From my seat you have displayed a total comprehension of this thread and are one of the few who stayed on task with logic. In my view many people from European countries are way ahead of us Americans when it come down to langauge usage and comprehension because they are more in touch with Latin foundations. Attacking you for being one who is different concerning your culture is shameful IMO and is changing the subject. "Far a field and grasping at straws, your honor" This was a familiar quote by Hammilton Burger, the procecutor on Perry Mason. :groucho: Truth and logic speaks, shouts and screams for itself without need for interpretation. IMO

People who support a position with "I have contributed to over 20 posts on this subject" must realize that if you don't have discrete, relevant and factual information to share and are spreading urban legend or what you feel is correct without providence or supportive evidence, you have contributed nothing but gray misinformation. This dumbs down anyone who views it and is inquisitive with an open mind. Hence the proliferation of the mouth crap. Quoting Wikipedia to nauseaum is like reading Cliff Notes and telling the teacher you read the book.

After I posted a handbook about GE Asbestos Micarta from 1944 that was ignored and never validated, I noticed that the topic changed from there is only one Micarta to there is a "GE imitation of Micarta" and it may have asbestos. Yea Right!! At least the circular argument went on to say it is harder material and must be a different formula. DUH! I have been stating that fact since my first post before a war of stupidity took place with the self aclaimed "Strapping Young Man". Statements like " I have been doing this since the sixties is a badge to be proud of for sure but it has nothing to do with specific experience with a product you have never dealt with. More mouth crap for no good reason!! Oh, maybe some politics, but why?????

I have worked with many experts in my professional life and one thing that I noticed with experts is that they are never afraid to say, "I don't know" when confused or confronted with a situation that is new to them.

Rationalization is a degenerative disease that is saturated with ego and half truths and those who practice it usually feel they are truly righteous in there cause but deep in their heart they understand that it is wrong to discredit another who puts a point out for discussion that is contrary to their liking. It is like playing golf and cheating by improving your lyes. How can you feel good about a low round when you know you corrupted the rules.

I know that when you argue with fools, you bring yourself down to their level and you can never win as you become a fool yourself when you engage in such a behavior. This is my sin. However when I am attacked in public by people who go off point, call me names to discredit my brand or my methods, I will always stand up in defense and am willing to go 15 rounds. Not to win a trivial fight but to try to change a corrupted culture that has existed here on AZ for too long. It is time for this stuff to give way to helping each other than attacking people because of you own obvious insecurities. As I like to point out now and then, the world is watching. Smart people will always see most things very clearly. Why do some people want to try to sway people who are not so smart? Danger Will Robinson, Does not compute!

Sharing of information and ideas between professionals is a great thing and this is how the scientific and academic communities operates. This is the drum I beat! There is no need to criticize someone offering a notion that something exists that may be a paradyime shift from your own experience. Time to grow up!!!

Take it easy man, be cool!!!

Rick

 

[danutz]

Even a rip off, crook, lying blind squirrel like me finds an acorn now and then. LOL.

Admitting you have these problems, is the first step to recovery. Congrats!

Perhaps for some good practice, you could quit charging $70 a ferrule for your Ge stuff, when someone could get the real Westinghouse stuff for $20-$30:thumbup:, and make it clear in your f/s thread, that your stuff is NOT
the real deal, good stuff, as you alude too. While your ad is clear to someone that is an expert on micarta, it's more than a little misleading to most.

I also wonder how you figure that your cues are handcrafted, as you say?
Looks to me, that your "statistical controlled process" is very little, hands on, unless you're refering to gluing rings on a dowel, which in your cases is the whole cue, so i guess i could see why you call it hands on. Do you, or do you not use a cnc? If so, that's not handcrafted, in the real sense of the word. Just sayin...........

 

[scdiveteam]

Even a rip off, crook, lying blind squirrel like me finds an acorn now and then. LOL.

Admitting you have these problems, is the first step to recovery. Congrats!

Perhaps for some good practice, you could quit charging $70 a ferrule for your Ge stuff, when someone could get the real Westinghouse stuff for $20-$30:thumbup:, and make it clear in your f/s thread, that your stuff is NOT
the real deal, good stuff, as you alude too. While your ad is clear to someone that is an expert on micarta, it's more than a little misleading to most.

I also wonder how you figure that your cues are handcrafted, as you say?
Looks to me, that your "statistical controlled process" is very little, hands on, unless you're refering to gluing rings on a dowel, which in your cases is the whole cue, so i guess i could see why you call it hands on. Do you, or do you not use a cnc? If so, that's not handcrafted, in the real sense of the word. Just sayin...........

Dan,

It is impossible to get Westinghouse Micarta for 30.00 unless the person who is selling it does not understand it's value as a scarce material. My CM friend has it in stock and gets 150.00 per ferrule installed. And guess what, no one complains!!!

You claim to have built cues but your insight into cue making is questionable.

Every cue has to be handcrafted and inlays does not have much to do with machining components parts or assembling a cue. You read one off beat comment about assembly by a malcontent and then you go spit out mouth crap. It is exactly what I just described in my last post. Thats why there is a bad culture here!! Trolls like you with no skin in the game mimicking fools who can't read and disseminate info. Go to your room and join "The Strapping Young Man"!!!

Every cue maker who inlays cues either uses a panto or CNC to do their art.

If Thomas Wayne who is in the HOF read your post he would laugh. Most of the greatest CMs on the planet and all use CNC! Some still are old school and use a panto for their inlays. They are all machines that require operators.

Since you have nothing noteworthy to contribute but to spit stupidity you might as well look at a thumbnail view of my world of cue making.

BTW, shoving my boot up your stupid ass is kinda fun. Thanks for the opportunity to do that sir.

At your service,

Rick

Here are 2 cues I am just finishing with progress pics on the way I do it. I just put wood into one side of the machine, push a button and the cue comes out the other side. Is that the way it works? What's funny is that you don't have any idea about what you don't know and are portraying yourself as one who can be judgmental. You need some serious couch time for about 10 years pal. Good Luck.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=273765

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=273503

And yes I do CNC and am proud of that skill set I am developing:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=272988

Hey Dan This is for you buddy. BTW, a dunce cap or court jester hat would be fitting of one so foolish as yourself:

 

[acousticsguru]

My son tells me that people from Switzerland speak German, French and Italian as well as other languages with English as the business language.

Spot on! Actually, my mother tongue is Swiss German, which hardly any German (that country up north) understands. So-called High German is our first foreign language already in elementary school, for the simple reason that the Swiss could never agree on any kind of official spelling for the two dozen or so Swiss German dialects, so all writing tends to be in High German. But yes, German, French and Italian, plus English as another business language is all correct.

Note I don't mind being attacked for not being a native English speaker.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[acousticsguru]

when someone could get the real Westinghouse stuff for $20-$30:thumbup:

Please tell me where!

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[JoeyInCali]

We need more drama .

 

[scdiveteam]

Spot on! Actually, my mother tongue is Swiss German, which hardly any German (that country up north) understands. So-called High German is our first foreign language already in elementary school, for the simple reason that the Swiss could never agree on any kind of official spelling for the two dozen or so Swiss German dialects, so all writing tends to be in High German. But yes, German, French and Italian, plus English as another business language is all correct.

Note I don't mind being attacked for not being a native English speaker.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
_________________

„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

David,

I have often wondered who Roger Conti is and could you translate the quotation.

Rick

BTW, for the record Raymond Ceulemans plays with ferrules from my GE Micarta Rod as well as 5 other world champion 3 Cushion Champs and HOFs. Stew cut and installed them all at Ray Schulers Shop here in Palatine, ILL.

 

[scdiveteam]

We need more drama .

Joey,

Come on in the water is fine.

Thanks,

Rick

 

[danutz]

I've seen the real micarta f/s plenty for $20-$30 apiece over the last few years........

If you call a cnc'd cue hand crafted, your the dunce i guess all the mass produced production cues are handcrafted too

Too me, you're just like JB, all you do is spam the chit out of the cue section with pics, and BS.

Sly has a 3 ferrule piece for $85, since you think it's worth so much. Better jump on it:thumbup: I can get an ivory buttcap for less, and it's much more desirable, and not just to me. Most feel the same. At least his price is reasonable, and he's not robbing people like you do.
You sir are the troll, and i think alot of peeps would agree with that as well. Let me ask again why it is that you've been posting, and making cues for the time you have, yet no one finds your cues desirable? Inquiring minds like mine want to know:thumbup: I can think of several on this board that have been at it for a far less time than you, and sure as chit, don't spam the board like you do, yet people actually want their cues Hmmm, i wonder why