BCA Open team from TAIWAN disqualified?
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Do you have any realization about business? These statements show me you don't. You make it sound like all businesses are full proof. Build it and they will come only happens in The Field of Dreams.
That sure is some decision....pretty cool for the other guys in those relative spots that luckily had to play those dudes. It's goofy you got guys finishing in the same places making totally different amounts of money with these new disbursements.
I only go to party anyway so I really don't care for the record, it's just a chance to see people I rarely see for me. Kind of makes me glad I prioritize in the order I do though, I'd prob be a little angry if I actually went to play pool seriously and did good just to finish the same place as someone and see them get a bonus $800 cause of who they were beat by.
I only go to party anyway so I really don't care for the record, it's just a chance to see people I rarely see for me. Kind of makes me glad I prioritize in the order I do though, I'd prob be a little angry if I actually went to play pool seriously and did good just to finish the same place as someone and see them get a bonus $800 cause of who they were beat by.
What about those statements make you feel that way? Businesses that lose money tend to fold, the BCAPL shows no sign of folding thus it would seem likely that it is not a money losing venture. You disagree with this statement? I would question your own business acumen if that is the case.
Of course some businesses fail, and those businesses go bankrupt and cease to exist. Ask Curt Schilling how his company 38 Studios is doing atm, that is what happens to companies that lose money.
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No, just a comment from someone that doesn't know the WHOLE story. Just as many others making suppositions about what they THINK happened.
The Taiwanese people got the raw end of this deal. The BCAPL dropped the ball and now are trying squirm out of it by offering a ridiculous settlement to them to cover up for their errors. Errors that they were presented with before this whole ordeal happened.
All I can say to this, is that if you feel that Mark is doing a undesirable job at what he is doing....make him an reasonable offer for his company...maybe he will abide you and sell.
Then you can run it the way you think may be beneficial to all.
Glad to hear there is a final resolution and information posted.
I see two looming issues:
- if an open player has one great tourney and destroys the field does that player run the risk of being dq'd after the fact and not paid in full?
- with the miscommunication, should those Taiwan players have been in the Advanced divsion? Looks like they could have pocketed $7,200 for a 1/2 finish which surely is possible based on reports of ability. Isn't that an opportunity cost that is not taken into account??
I see two looming issues:
- if an open player has one great tourney and destroys the field does that player run the risk of being dq'd after the fact and not paid in full?
- with the miscommunication, should those Taiwan players have been in the Advanced divsion? Looks like they could have pocketed $7,200 for a 1/2 finish which surely is possible based on reports of ability. Isn't that an opportunity cost that is not taken into account??
Squirm out of it?
How?
By explaining the situation in public and being transparent about the the whole deal?
Great way to try and slide under the radar there.
For the life of me I do not understand why anyone has anything to do with leagues. From playing in them to running them. It seems everyone involved is pissed off about something.
If they play good and win they get pissed when they are moved up.
If they play bad and lose they are pissed because someone played better and wasn't moved up before they played them.
If you do play good and get moved up but are not pissed about it...you wait a year and find out lo and behold when there are only a fraction of the entries in higher divisions the prize fund is much lower so you get really pissed.
If you run a league and can not accurately handicap every human being on the planet sight unseen everyone gets pissed.
If you run a league and make an error then do your best to fix it people are pissed.
If you try to slow roll your way into a tournament to snap it off everyone is pissed. If you do snap it off and get caught then you are pissed.
Makes my head hurt thinking about the whole thing. For the life of me I will never understand why Mark or anyone else fools with it at all.
Just some random thoughts brought on by raging insomnia. My solution is dont pay out any money at all. Trophies. Think trophies. What could go wrong?
If you believe strongly in your ideas, another option is to organize your own nationals tournament in las vegas.
FWIW, last year I helped a friend run a friendly neighborhood 10-ball tournament. We had some of our own ideas such as a fairer handicap, and we implemented it to attract the broadest base of players. I measured our success by player loyalty, if they liked what we did then they came the following week.
FWIW, last year I helped a friend run a friendly neighborhood 10-ball tournament. We had some of our own ideas such as a fairer handicap, and we implemented it to attract the broadest base of players. I measured our success by player loyalty, if they liked what we did then they came the following week.
All I can say to this, is that if you feel that Mark is doing a undesirable job at what he is doing....make him an reasonable offer for his company...maybe he will abide you and sell.
Then you can run it the way you think may be beneficial to all.
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And yet another that doesn't have all the facts.
You nailed it except for the trophies. Trophies are nothing but dust collectors. Try taking one to the grocery store and see what you can get.
I think this was the most fair decision that could have been made regarding the situation. Like it was said earlier, i have a feeling the silent majority agrees with your decision. Can't please everyone, oh well.
Mark, you guys do a helluva job considering what it takes to have an event of this size. Your efforts are commendable, and I for one can't wait to see how the event shapes up at the Rio next year :thumbup:
Thank you for the clarification Mark!
While I can't say that I fully agree with the decision, I do appreciate your taking the time to address it here.
I would also like to state that at no time did it ever occur to me that the BCAPL would just pocket the extra money and if I intimated that in anyway, then I do apologize.
Thanks again for all you've done for pool, I've no doubt it's a thankless job.
While I can't say that I fully agree with the decision, I do appreciate your taking the time to address it here.
I would also like to state that at no time did it ever occur to me that the BCAPL would just pocket the extra money and if I intimated that in anyway, then I do apologize.
Thanks again for all you've done for pool, I've no doubt it's a thankless job.
Yes. Because you know more about what happened than I do.
That has to be what it is. Not like I was actually there during the whole deal. No way I would know what was happening.
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I wanted to wait until I saw the official letter from Mark concerning the situation before posting and asking questions. Maybe it was answered previously and, if so, I apologize.
Why were they the players not disqualified earlier?
Why did CSI choose to do something about it this year?
The reason I ask is because I remember there being a similiar situation a few years back where the Portugese team had an unfair advantage as they didn't have to create teams from just one league but were able to create all-star teams based on the entire country. (If I remember correctly they finished 1st in teams, first in men's singles, and finished highly in several other events as well.) There was no disqualifications given even with numerous complaints filed. So why are the taiwanese being singled out?
Why you hate Asians Mark? :grin:
Why were they the players not disqualified earlier?
Why did CSI choose to do something about it this year?
The reason I ask is because I remember there being a similiar situation a few years back where the Portugese team had an unfair advantage as they didn't have to create teams from just one league but were able to create all-star teams based on the entire country. (If I remember correctly they finished 1st in teams, first in men's singles, and finished highly in several other events as well.) There was no disqualifications given even with numerous complaints filed. So why are the taiwanese being singled out?
Why you hate Asians Mark? :grin:
:shocked:Hey Jay,
The two Taiwain players did not get any complaints filed with the Tournament Director desk. (Remember, someone has to win).
We did something about it this year because we felt there was a problem we needed to correct. This was probably based on some of the things that had happened in previous years. We try to learn and improve.
A few years ago the Portugese team did get us. But I believe they won Master Team - which is where they belong. We had a liason that 'did not' report accurately the true situation in Portugal leagues. We did correct the criteria they would have to compete by.
We did not single out the Taiwainese - but I think we made the correct decision.
I did not realize I hated Asians :shocked: I will make sure my wife knows that! LOL :thumbup:
Mark Griffin
The two Taiwain players did not get any complaints filed with the Tournament Director desk. (Remember, someone has to win).
We did something about it this year because we felt there was a problem we needed to correct. This was probably based on some of the things that had happened in previous years. We try to learn and improve.
A few years ago the Portugese team did get us. But I believe they won Master Team - which is where they belong. We had a liason that 'did not' report accurately the true situation in Portugal leagues. We did correct the criteria they would have to compete by.
We did not single out the Taiwainese - but I think we made the correct decision.
I did not realize I hated Asians :shocked: I will make sure my wife knows that! LOL :thumbup:
Mark Griffin
