I really can't believe that voting is this close right now.
Which 8 Ball rules for TAR 28?
- Thread starter JCIN
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i agree competely. Why in the world would you play any other way. Take what you make adds too much to the luck factor.
On this tight table, I don't see playing "take what you make" significantly tilting the scales to one player over the other. Both will play by the same rules. I'm surprised this rule is making this much hullaballoo.
Regardless, I'm leaning towards making it tougher and forcing them to play more strategic - take what you make. I think it will be more interesting watching these guys having to risk or safe a little more. But I really don't give a rat's rump; it'll be good either way to me. Calling it ball banger bar rules seems contradictory when it's a tougher game.
Regardless, I'm leaning towards making it tougher and forcing them to play more strategic - take what you make. I think it will be more interesting watching these guys having to risk or safe a little more. But I really don't give a rat's rump; it'll be good either way to me. Calling it ball banger bar rules seems contradictory when it's a tougher game.
Agreed.
I also think it's funny that no matter what Justin does, people are gonna get on here and ***** about it.
No one is ever happy, it seems.... :shrug:
That's the thing, I disagree it's a tougher game. I think it just shifts some advantage from the breaker to the guy sitting in the chair. Yes, it makes it tougher to get out off the break, but it adds a significant element of luck that can only benefit the guy sitting down, making it easier for him to get out.
If you are going to play take what you make like in 9 or 10 Ball, then I suppose you should add the push out to the game.
Just play alternate break and play by professional rules.
There are professional 8-ball rules?
Whatever. I'm talking about WPA World Standardized Rules. The rule set all World Championships and most professional events are played by, at least in regard to group choice in 8 Ball.
I'm just messin' with you, a little. It really doesn't matter to me, either way. I'm simply amused by the uproar, the furor and the angst about a rule in a challenge match that was agreed upon by both players.
Carry on, all of you, the righteous....
(I think it's gonna be great either way. Thanks, Justin!)
I voted open after the break but playing the other way could cut down the break-and-run from 80% to 60%?
Just guessing on the numbers,iv'e never seen pros play 8-ball on a 9' table.
Just guessing on the numbers,iv'e never seen pros play 8-ball on a 9' table.
Indeed, there IS a world 8-ball championships.
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2012.php?eventnum=56
That there is a pretty professional group of players there.
They played open after the break.
Make it Take it...would make for some very interesting tactical 8 ball, and no one should run away with it.
I can see a lot of ppl on here don't play for certain balls on the break to go, just smack them and take whatever is more promising lol. That's just not how the top tier plays, sorry. Ask the 5 best players you know how they would wanna play. I bet if they are stealing theyd wanna play open after the break and if its tough they would want to play take what u make. Sorry if you lose your cue ball and get stuck on a rail and cant take a duck to start ur run, next time youll keep ur cue ball middle of the table.
Take what you make only seems right. I also dont understand how u can be penalized when you have the first shot? IF you arent creative enough to get out of tough spots, u should get beat at that level.
Take what you make only seems right. I also dont understand how u can be penalized when you have the first shot? IF you arent creative enough to get out of tough spots, u should get beat at that level.
From all of the games both players played in the IPT. The IPT used larger pockets which were easier then the TAR table but used slower cloth which is more difficult.
John
146 W 137 L (51.59%)
B&R %* = 12.37%
% of wins by B&R: 23.97%
Corey
301 W 249 L (54.73%)
B&R %* = 17.27%
% of wins by B&R: 31.56%
The key here is the % of wins by B&R. For John of the games he won only 23.97% were B&R's, in the other 76.03% of the games he played his opponent got to the table at least once. And John had an overall winning percentage in the IPT.
For Corey 31.56% of his wins came via B&R's. In the other 68.44% of his wins his opponent got to the table. Corey also had a winning percentage in the IPT.
Both of these players were strong competition in the IPT, and neither were running out to nearly the extent that people seem to think they are going to.
Not a single pro in the IPT won over 50% of their games via B&R's, and they were not playing on a 4 1/8th cut diamond. This is going to be some challenging 8-ball without messing with the rules.
What's the standardized WPA rule on BIH or behind the line?
Maybe we can yak over that for a few days too.
Really?
You cannot see how you could break, make a stripe, jaw a couple solids, have no open shot that can be pocketed on the stripes, and in effect be screwed right off what was a decent break based on the luck of how the balls came out?
In 8-ball you are certainly never assured of having a shot after the break on either stripes or solids, and after the break if the balls have already been assigned due to this rule you can in effect break yourself into a brutal safety right off the hop and what did you do wrong, broke well and got unlucky on how the balls came to lie?
That's when the fun starts...and the truly magnificent 8 ball begins. Better find a safe or an out! With make it take it you get softer, more controlled breaks and lots of clusters to work with...if I'm watching the best of the best play 8 ball, then I want to see real creativity! If I want to see 5 packs, then I'll watch a stream of APA Masters' play...not that that's necessarily a bad thing.........:smile:
Well, APA rules are take what you make, not open after the break. So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
I'd like to hear MG's take on this. Obviously the BCAPL plays open after, but he also runs the US Bar Table Championships so he has a lot of experience with 8 Ball at the professional level and might have some insight on how this rule might affect a match like this (table size aside).
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