Don Sherman / sureman183

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Restraint is not my middle name tho. Tourettes is.

Terry Tourette. Kind of has a nice ring to it doesn't it.

You see Bruce, most people are lucky to be born with that little part of your brain that can tell you when its a
good time to say s hit and when it isn't. Me not have that.
 
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There are a lot of great people on azbilliards. It makes me happy be in this family, and to donate to the cue world, and I donate too,lol. I hope this all gets worked out. Don has always treated me well, and I hope he keeps his word on this. Rod W.
 
There are a lot of great people on azbilliards. It makes me happy be in this family, and to donate to the cue world, and I donate too,lol. I hope this all gets worked out. Don has always treated me well, and I hope he keeps his word on this. Rod W.

It's sad to say, Rod...but I think the damage has already been done.

I still can't believe how ANYONE could feel justified in screwing over an honest, sincere guy...not once...not twice...but three times in the same "deal."

He sends a misrepresented Gus. He then trades that misrepresented Gus for a misrepresented Barry, a Schick, and cash. Then he allegedly agrees to turn it all around and un-do the deal...then changes his mind, tells Chris to pound sand, and KEEPS the cash owed back to Chris. He then says he's 'done' with the deal, and consistently refuses to contact his customer to right the wrongs.

I, for one, will never buy a cue from him. As most on here know, I've been on a buying spree lately...and had every intention to continue to do so. I had considered a couple cues Don had...but now there's not a snowball's chance in hell I would ever give him a single dime of my money.

I can only hope there are others who feel the same way. You live and die by your reputation...and AZB is one of the last strongholds for pool. People don't forget things easily...nor should they.

I'll send my money to dealers who have proven they can be trusted. The others can get bent.

Anybody else notice that the number of crappy deals around here has increased, drastically, over the past couple years??? If we don't take care of our own, we're damned sure doomed for failure.

Chris - Holler if you need ANYTHING, bro. I'm in a better place, and would like to contribute to helping you out. Even if it's for a legal retainer. ;)
 
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I did what i can at the beginning of the post to avoid a bad deal happening. i guess it was too late and nothing that i can do about it.....
DON, I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY....IF YOU CHOSE NOT TO SPEAK UP....IT WILL HURT YOU EVEN MORE OF SELLING CUES IN THE FUTURE....
One thing i really like about this site is that we all enjoy buying cues and cases. Look out for each other backs. Keep the bad guys off the site...
Don, Please let me by telling you FINISH THE DEAL WITH CHRIS NOW....IT ONLY DO YOU A BIG FAVOR DOWN THE ROAD.
I plan to buy more cues from you in the future, I like you....But this comes out quite shock to me that you act like that.
YOU CAN CONTACT ME IF I CAN HELP YOU IN ANY WAY TO FINNISH THIS DEAL....399-788-0300
I just like this POST goes away and you guys will talk again....
I really like Don....That is why i bought the 2 SHOWMAN from you....
Please do something or talk to me to see if i can help you out......
regards
peter
 
This is why over the last 17 years in this business, I do fewer and fewer deals. I have locked myself into basically one cuemaker to minimize the B.S. What a shame.

I have know Don for a long time and I am really disappointed in how this whole thing went down. Chris does exactly what he says he will do 100% of the time and ends getting fu*%ed for it.

Chris, I wish there was something I could say or do to help. Take care.

JimmyK

Thank you Jimmy.


Speaking indirectly, no one knows what this feels like until it happens to them. The old me would make sure he knows he owes me at until he paid up. Now, I have way too much to lose. As other people have said, all I do is try to support our hobby the best I can. I enjoyed taking a nice and adding cash to buy a "bigger" cue. I turned several small cues into a Tibbits I got from Little Kenny. Great deal. Then I took the Tibbits and traded with Mike Gartland for a Tascarella. Again another great deal. Mike and I do not even get along but it was still a good business deal. Then I took the Tascarella and a bunch of cash to acquire the Showman from Little Kenny. Another great deal. All of these deals were since January of this year.

Then I take the Showman and cash to buy my first Gus. And here I am mired in bvllshit. I trusted Don at every stage but he has let me down. I have no idea why he would choose to do this to me. He is crushing his reputation over a little bit of money. If we had a successful deal, I most likely would have dealt with him again. It's what I do, or should I say used to to do. I am truly finished with all used cues.



I wish to thank everyone in the thread who has shown support to me.
 
There are a lot of great people on azbilliards. It makes me happy be in this family, and to donate to the cue world, and I donate too,lol. I hope this all gets worked out. Don has always treated me well, and I hope he keeps his word on this. Rod W.

Repeatedly he has said the deal is done. He has refused my calls. He has refused to reply to my PM's or emails. He knows this thread exists. I know he has PM'd other members to say they do not know the whole story. And yet he chooses to not say a word.


I truly believe this is as far as I will get by starting this thread...
 
Some things are destined for disaster

You buy a Cue and love it.
Your friend sees the cue and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money.
You arrange a trade.
After the cues arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue you sent back?
Don't feel alone. If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth.
He is known to do things like that.
Refinishing the Cue by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue.
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind.
I am sure Mr Don went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. That is how he stays in business. Return costumers everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. If he was he would have never sold you a Cue that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)
 
You buy a Cue and love it.
Your friend sees the cue and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money.
You arrange a trade.
After the cues arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue you sent back?
Don't feel alone. If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth.
He is known to do things like that.
Refinishing the Cue by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue.
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind.
I am sure Mr Don went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. That is how he stays in business. Return costumers everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. If he was he would have never sold you a Cue that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Stay in school kids or this is what happens.


Nick, go find a big person to read this thread to you a few times so you can understand.

Then put your helmet on and go ride your tricycle....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
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You buy a Cue and love it.
Your friend sees the cue and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money.
You arrange a trade.
After the cues arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue you sent back?
Don't feel alone. If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth.
He is known to do things like that.
Refinishing the Cue by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue.
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind.
I am sure Mr Don went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. That is how he stays in business. Return costumers everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. If he was he would have never sold you a Cue that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)
As true as this may be,if a cue is misrepresented then
that would start the ball of crap rolling right away.I'm sure you would be
totally pissed if you bought something and it wasn't what it was suppose
to be.You need 2 honest party's to resolve a simple problem and in
this case there seems to only be one.If Don doesn't wanna talk it out with this guy,it speaks volumes about who's right and who's wrong.Money
makes people do some very dumb things.
 
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This was such a good post,

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Originally Posted by Bavafongoul View Post
Sureman's lack of written response to any of these threads is very disheartening and portrays him, correctly or incorrectly, as a dishonest Forum member. I do not know that to be true but there's a pattern to these facts and there's a lot of money involved in this cue transaction.......Don should recognize that his days are over as a cue seller on the Forum unless he clears this mess up.....who in the right mind would ever buy anything from "Sureman" based upon the situation at hand?

I've purchased three cues thru the Foum and have had the sellers list the cues on e-bay with a buy it now listing price we agree upon and buy the cues using Paypal. I know it's not fool proof but all my cue purchases have gone off without a hitch and it costs me a few bucks more since I offer to pay the seller's e-bay fees since I was the party that insisted using e-bay & Paypal.

"Sureman" needs to get his affairs in order fast and make this right or everyone on the forum should avoid doing any business with him again.

Based upon what I've read and his lack of action, I'll never buy anything from "Sureman" and the last two cues I bought were over $2500 each.......('06 Scruggs & 10-'91 Mottey). I'm looking to buy another ivory joint cue right now and have a few cue-makers in mind.....I already have my name on the list with Deanoc for an ivory joint Schon cue but I'm also interested in buying another cue right now.

Rest Assured that my next cue purchase will definitely not be with "Sureman".....the only thing "sure" about "Sureman" that I can see is to proceed with due caution dealing with him or even better, just be smart and avoid doing any business with him.

And the offer extended by the other forum member to return the Showman cue was a great gesture from a guy that cares about trying to lend a helping hand to a situation he did absolutely nothing to cause happen......thank goodness for the good people on the Forum.

I never liked the notion of using a escrow agent for cue purchases but it's starting to make a lot more sense when you buy a high-end, collectible cue. I hate doing that but after reading what's happened with "Sureman", I'm beginning to think might be the prudent thing to do.....we'll see.

Matt B.
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Couldn't agree more, this really needs to be posted in the Wanted/For sale
forum and the Cue and Case Gallery forum so no one else gets screwed.
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CLOSE to 10,000 VIEWS SO FAR AND NOT A WORD TO TRY AND RESOLVE

THIS FROM THE SELLER DOES SUREMAN183 THINK HE'S TO GOOD TO

TALK TO HIS CUSTOMERS AFTER HE'S SCREWED THEM ALL HE SAYS

---------------------THROUGH A THIRD PARTY IS----------------------------

-----------"I'M DONE"------------------>ARE YOU KIDDING<----------------
 
You buy a Cue and love it.
Your friend sees the cue and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money.
You arrange a trade.
After the cues arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue you sent back?
Don't feel alone. If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth.
He is known to do things like that.
Refinishing the Cue by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue.
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind.
I am sure Mr Don went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. That is how he stays in business. Return costumers everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. If he was he would have never sold you a Cue that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)

The deal is NEVER done until the customer is satisfied.

As far as honest goes the betting odds aren't looking real good on that one at the moment. Misrepresented Gus and Misrepresented Barry, won't return money addmittidly owed to Chris.

Solution= Don calls Peter and buys back the Showman 2. Don mails Showman and cash to Jamie Worminator. 3. Chris sends Jamie the Barry and the Schick. 4. Jamie sends Chris the Showman and the cash and Don gets his warped shaft Barry and his Schick.

What was so hard about that.

Everyone is back where they started less some shipping charges and the whole thing goes away.
 
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Thank you very much Matt for clearing this out....That was what i try at the beginning.....Don did not reply or talk to me.....

I JUST HAVE TO SIT BACK AND SEE HOW FAR THIS WILL GO......OR iT WILL EVER GET RESOLVED???

MY PARTS ARE DONE HERE....

Regards
Peter
 
Thank you very much Matt for clearing this out....That was what i try at the beginning.....Don did not reply or talk to me.....

I JUST HAVE TO SIT BACK AND SEE HOW FAR THIS WILL GO......OR iT WILL EVER GET RESOLVED???

MY PARTS ARE DONE HERE....

Regards
Peter

If there were only more people in the world like you it would be a better place . Take care my friend.
 
That sounds good Lenoxmjs,

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Solution= Don calls Peter and buys back the Showman 2. Don mails Showman and cash to Jamie Worminator. 3. Chris sends Jamie the Barry and the Schick. 4. Jamie sends Chris the Showman and the cash and Don gets his warped shaft Barry and his Schick.

What was so hard about that.

Everyone is back where they started less some shipping charges and the whole thing goes away.
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The only problem is if you read in this thread Chris doesn't want the
Showman back he wants the Gus. As that is what he wanted in the first place.

Solution= Chris sends the Barry (with the warped shaft) and the Schick
to Jamie.

Don sends the Gus and money for the refinish by Barry to Jamie

Why? Because Don represented the cue as having been refinished by Barry in the first place and Barry has already agreed to refinish it.

Problem solved Chris gets what he bought in the first place as it was represented, and Don doesn't loose any money on the Showman because he doesn't have to get it back.

And Don and Chris walk off into the sunset singing Kum ba ya
well maybe that part doesn't happen
 
You buy a Cue (capital 'c'?) and love it.
Your friend sees the cue (no capital 'c'?) and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money (Scared? Did it just watch The Ring? It freaked me out, too.) .
You arrange a trade.
After the cues (no capital 'c'?) arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue (which is it...capital or lower case 'c'?) you sent back? (Right...because both the original and second traded cue were misrepresented. Don't you read???)
Don't feel alone. (Why? Did Don screw you, too?) If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth. (And you know this how, oh wise one of Gus values?)
He is known to do things like that. (What? Bend guys over and take 'em up the hoo-hah with a cue?)
Refinishing the Cue (here we go again....) by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue. (Don't start a sentence with "and," and don't throw numbers around like you actually have something resembling a clue about value.)
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind. (You a mind reader? What am I thinking..right now? RIGHT! "Nick is a window-licker!!! Good job, Nicky!)
I am sure Mr Don (Corleone? Pablo? Don Pablos makes wicked-good tacos) went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. (No...he went out of his way to satisfy himself by gouging Chris on several cues and cash he kept, even when the deal went south.) That is how he stays in business. (If he does this with his customers, it's a miracle he HAS a business. Can't be a good one, if he doesn't even have cash on-hand that DOESN'T belong to him) Return costumers (They play dress-up? Do you???) everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful (Incorrect phrasing. Try again) for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally (you're not supposed to spell that phonetically. You know what 'phonetically' means??? ) put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. (Neither are you, jacktard) If he was he would have never sold you a Cue (Jesus...make a decision and stick to it, man!) that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you (get bent) over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts (now you're capitalizing other words, too? Can't you pick just one, and master that, first? ) are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers (a string of three in a row. Mind-blowing.) are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)

You were doing SO good for awhile, Nick. You kept your mouth shut, and everyone left you alone. Now here you are...spouting off some stuck-on-stupid bvllshit. You don't learn, do ya?
 
That sounds good Lenoxmjs,

Quote from Lenoxmjs:
Solution= Don calls Peter and buys back the Showman 2. Don mails Showman and cash to Jamie Worminator. 3. Chris sends Jamie the Barry and the Schick. 4. Jamie sends Chris the Showman and the cash and Don gets his warped shaft Barry and his Schick.

What was so hard about that.

Everyone is back where they started less some shipping charges and the whole thing goes away.
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The only problem is if you read in this thread Chris doesn't want the
Showman back he wants the Gus. As that is what he wanted in the first place.

Solution= Chris sends the Barry (with the warped shaft) and the Schick
to Jamie.

Don sends the Gus and money for the refinish by Barry to Jamie

Why? Because Don represented the cue as having been refinished by Barry in the first place and Barry has already agreed to refinish it.

Problem solved Chris gets what he bought in the first place as it was represented, and Don doesn't loose any money on the Showman because he doesn't have to get it back.

And Don and Chris walk off into the sunset singing Kum ba ya
well maybe that part doesn't happen

The only reason why I do not want the Showman back is that Don needs to make this right, not Peter. If Don buys the Showman back, I will undo all deals and take it back with my cash.

I do not want to sell the Barry Szamboti (with a warped shaft) and the Schick. It is Don's responsibility, not mine. I was not aware that the Barry had a warped shaft as I have explained. Don also did not send me the cash amount we had agreed upon with the cues.

I will accept the Gus back (through Escrow) and the money for the refinish from Barry. That cost is $600 and it could take 6-18 months, if I am lucky.




I have learned that Don Sherman has a booth at the Southern Classic in Tunica through next weekend. I do not expect him to see this thread until he has computer access. Whenever that may be. I do know he is fully aware of the situation and chooses not to address it at all.

If anyone wants to attempt to call Don, PM me and I will provide his cell phone number.
 
You buy a Cue and love it.
Your friend sees the cue and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money.
You arrange a trade.
After the cues arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue you sent back?
Don't feel alone. If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth.
He is known to do things like that.
Refinishing the Cue by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue.
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind.
I am sure Mr Don went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. That is how he stays in business. Return costumers everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. If he was he would have never sold you a Cue that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)

Nick

For sure not every collector on the planet is an agreement about refinishes, but, don't you feel that if (and for some reason we are still yet to hears Don's side of this story) Don represented the refinish as being done by Barry and it turns out to have been done by someone else, that Don owes his buyer some sort of adjustment for that mistake (like sending the cue to the guy he claimed did the refinish and footing the bill for a refinish)? Seems only fair that the buyer get what he was told he was getting, especially in the light of the fact that the buyer is now going to be out the cue for at least a year.

Some of the other stuff I don't understand but I'm probably reading it wrong. You just can't be saying you feel it is OK to sell a cue a 6K cue with 2 shafts and fail to disclose that one of the shafts is warped?

You can't be saying it is OK as a participant in a trade to include cash in the negotiations and then not send the cash?

I've dealt with Don before also, and I also feel he is an upstanding guy to do business with. However, he does (or did) a lot of his business here on AZ, and his honesty has been called into question and it really seems he needs to tell his side of the story because lacking that, he looks real bad here.

Thanks

Kevin
 
For sure some mistakes were made here. The original trade/sale happened at a cue show that was also attended by Barry and Jimmy Szam. I can't imagine that Don would have intentionally misrepresented the cue refinish with Barry standing right there (to be honest I feel I know Don well enough to figure he wouldn't intentionally misrepresent the cue with Barry there or not). Seems to me like a mistake that could be fixed was made here.

We all expect people to think like we do, but I would never buy a Gus or a George without talking to Tasc or Barry first and how this 8K deal went down with the unbelievable good fortune of being in the same room with Barry without Barry seeing the cue is completely beyond me. Barry has always seemed to me to be super helpful and eager to see and talk about his dad's stuff. So on this point I'm mystified. To be honest, to me this seems like Chris's mistake, but the penalty for making the mistake of trusting Don's word and not walking the cue over to the Szams should not be talking a 8K cue deal up the butt.

From the original refinish mistake, which can happen, things went way downhill. The solution really seems to be that the seller make the cue be what he represented it as or the deal be unwound. The 2nd trade just compounded an already messy situation.

What we really need is Don's side of this story.

Kevin
 
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You buy a Cue and love it.
Your friend sees the cue and all of a sudden you are looking at scared money.
You arrange a trade.
After the cues arrive you are satisfied. A few days later you want the origional cue you sent back?
Don't feel alone. If you buy what you want money is not the object. Don probably sold you the Gus for at least 2K less than it was worth.
He is known to do things like that.
Refinishing the Cue by Barry was not a necessity. And would have made the Cue around a 12K Cue.
Were you happy with the trade until this thought entered your mind.
I am sure Mr Don went way out of his way to try to satisfy you. That is how he stays in business. Return costumers everywhere.
You are having a sellers remorseful for jumping off a winning proposition that Don origionally put in.
He is only human and not a mind reader. If he was he would have never sold you a Cue that was worth way more than he let you get it for because he only wanted to see you over and over again.
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick :)

I'm sure you've spoken to Don or vice versa to have derive at what you have written. However I would encourage you to Read the thread thoroughly.

There's no denying there's buyers remorse here from Chris simply because he was presented wrong information about the cue!!

Ofcourse he loved the cue when he bought it otherwise why the heck would he pay so much for it?? But he loved it under false information that everything about the cue is original! It doesn't matter what he paid for it a deal is a deal. Even if Don took the cue in with bad info and simply passed it on it still does not expunge him from responsibility!

Logic is simple, you go to a restaurant you paid good money for a meal and you get food poisoning. It doesn't matter if the meat supplier sent bad supplies or the a part time waiter did something to the food, ultimately you're gonna go after the restaurant. Right now Don is the restaurant and he is refusing any responsibility simply indicating that the diner had a good
meal, at a great price and he was happy eating. So freaking what??!?!?

Don went out of his way to please Chris???!? Where in the world did that part come from?

I'm gonna post on a Chinese forum in the next few days about this whole fiasco just to warn them about what is taking place and who to be wary of.

As always I'm here to be proven wrong or apologize to Don if I have wronged him. This is one of the few times I'm really hoping I wronged someone. However things don't seem to be swinging in that direction..

If I'm Chris I'd be consulting a lawyer regarding this matter for sure.
 
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