Dear AZBilliards

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Does anyone know a synonym acronym for GFYS? I would like to use a different one this weekend to spice things up...and no, GFYM is not an acceptable answer. Thanks in advance.

PPAF...(PLEASE PRACTICE AUTO FORNICATION)
It's somewhat polite, somewhat literate, and conveys the message....
imho, lmao
 
If the APA is what you like best then play in the APA. If you have problems there then play at home or quit pool and do something else.

You can, however, improve if you apply yourself. There are jerks in every sport who look down on weaker players. If you take a look at the lives they lead you might discover they are miserable people who happen to be good at one sport but failures in life. For me, they don't ruin the sport because even if they beat me they are still losers.
 
Yes, sadly players with your mindset are taking over htis site as well. Soon there will be no trace of "real pool".

APA is a scourge on an otherwise beautiful game.

Being sub-par is not an achievement

And it only took 17 posts to come up with such wisdom:rolleyes:



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BlAh Blah Blah

I have probably done the things the
op is talking about and I have probably
had them done to me.

So what? Who cares? Grow up.

I love that feel in a room where there's
action. I love the look I get when I walk
into the room and guys wonder if I'm
somebody, they wonder my speed.

I'm nobody, really a nobody, a b player
on a good day. I don't expect anything
from anybody but I still love the game
and the feel of the room.

Shut up n' play

Or don't.

but stop whining !! It ain't kindergarten.

When I leave the room I'm still me,
and you are your own problem.
 
Yes, sadly players with your mindset are taking over htis site as well. Soon there will be no trace of "real pool".

APA is a scourge on an otherwise beautiful game.

Being sub-par is not an achievement

Brilliant. Absolute enlightenment. Being a boor is not an achievement either.
 
Ya know, I've had pretty much the opposite experience with pool.

I've made a ton of acquaintances on AZ.

Never experienced better players not wanting to play me. Most are eager to show you what they know.

I tend to believe that if every time you turn around, you're having a bad experience, after a while, how much of it is it your fault and how much blame can you put on others.

The whole world can't be against you. Or is it?

Life most times is what you make of it and if you're having this much problem with the game, maybe pool or the people who love the game aren't for you. Have you ever thought of that. You can be part of the solution or be the problem.

If people don't want you hanging around their tournaments, there might be a reason for it.

So, this is one of those Swan Song threads. OP makes one post, never to return and throw in an opinion.

The rest ends up being 35 pages of us fighting with one and another.

Gotta wonder sometimes if thats what the OPs original plans were. Sit back and watch the S hit Storm and have a laugh at our expense.
 
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EDIT: Dear AZBilliards was admittedly a bad title for this post. As a resource, AZBilliards is amazing and I have nothing but good things to say. This post was meant to be directed to the pool community as a whole and not AZBilliards directly. My mistake

Thank you for ruining pool for me. Obviously this isn't meant for everyone in the community, but it is meant for a vast majority of you.

I started playing pool about 3 years ago. Joined an APA league and jumped in full force. It was fun. I met new people, I learned new things. I went out each week, had a couple beers and had some real fun.

But then, something weird happened. I found this site. It had a wealth of info...results, interviews...and then I found the forums. At first I was amazed...so many people discussing every single aspect of pool...from equipment to aiming to why pool isn't growing. I used to visit the site every day...trying to soak of info and tips and follow my favorite players.

I didn't know it then, but that was the downfall of pool for me. I started wanting to play better players...play on better equipment. At first it was awesome...but quickly things changed.

I started having "situations" with higher ranked players. They started telling me that I shouldn't be playing with them because I haven't "earned my time." Discouraging to say the least.

I kept reading the forums...reading the bashing of the league that I started in and still play in...the APA. I read so much that I, myself, started disliking the APA and all that they stand for. So I decided to leave it and play in the BCA...a local league here that was amongst the best ones in the area. I played...and I lost...a lot, but I didn't let that hold me back. I kept playing...I kept playing in higher ranked tournaments...I got slowly better.

The one thing I picked up from my time playing with the higher ranked players is the negativity. Nothing is ever right for them. They get mad cause lower ranked players get weight against them. They get mad cause lower ranked players pay lower entry fee's. They get mad because bars don't add money to their tournaments, or don't add enough money. In a word, entitlement.

I grew frustrated with the whole pool scene...started hating it. I didn't quit, but I didn't play very much at all. Then I realized that it all stopped being fun. So I went back to where pool was fun...and went back to playing in the APA and my friends...all of the sudden, I loved pool again.

There is a class system in pool. The APA is the lower class...the "99%" if you will. We are looked down upon because we play on inferior equipment with inferior rules for league operators who are in it for the money. Beer drinkers that play in bars with loud music and rowdy people. We play with handicaps because we aren't good enough for the "real" pool world. Meanwhile, the 1% are out there...playing on their diamond tables with their added money tournaments while they sip ice water and not support the rooms that add this money. It's entitlement at it's best.

"Pool players" feel like room and bar owners owe them the world. The nicest equipment with the nicest cloth. Massive amounts of added money and get rid of all the music and karaoke and people that make the room the money so they can play in quiet. Basically trying to get rid of players like me.

Please don't tell me or players like me that this isn't happening. I've experience this first hand here in Phoenix. I've been ridiculed for playing in the APA. I've been told by A players here in Phoenix that I shouldn't be playing them because I haven't earned my time like they have. Big time players like Scott Frost mocked me because they had to play me in a 9 ball tournament and made fun of me because "I had the gall to ask him to split quarters," for a tournament match.

Hell, I've even been turned away from a tournament because I'm not good enough. And when I do get to play, it's very uncomfortable. The higher rated players make me feel like it's a priviledge to play them. I shouldn't feel this way...but that's what you do.

In a nutshell, get over yourself. You can have your game...because that's all it is...a game. Or have you forgotten that? I will stick with the league that is ruining pool...even though it brings more and more people into it each year. I will stick with the inferior equipment and inferior rules and the loud music and beer drinking because I love where I play and want to support them as much as I can.

I want to go back to a place where the only complaining I hear about is the guys complaining that the wife barely let them come out to play tonight, not some entitled douche bags discussing the ins and outs of their $30 chalk or how this room sucks cause it has Valley's.

GFY...Yes I'm bitter, you ruined the game for me and a lot of others out there, but I'm going back to where it's fun...and will continue to teach my kids my horrible stroke and pool knowledge so they can have fun with this wonderful game. But I will never teach them to become a "pool player" because I don't really wish that on anyone anymore.

tl;dr - Pool used to be fun, I got serious like everyone here said I should and hated it. I'm going back to the APA.

Billiards its what you make of it,get serious about it and you'll get a better understanding of why things are the way they are.(rite or wrong).

3 years of playing I dont think you have the rite to even post something like this.

There's a lot of good people(some bad...lol) in this game and what you say or do wont change a thing.You say you love the game and then bash people...take a look in the mirror.:confused:
We all got stories.;)
 
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Ooooooh, and my dad can beat up your dad. Quit with all the BS. You made comments that were inappropriate. Bruce is a good guy who contributes to the forum. You, on the other hand, do not. Take your toys and go home...I hear your momma calling.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

You couldn't beat me with the 7 out wild with all the Breaks yet you post incessantly. you are the boor here son.
 
Hang in there Abie.Keep working on your game.

If you think things are tough now wait until you start winning.Its a dog-eat-dog world (pool) and its a challenge to overcome.



-Jer.
 
the biggest problem with this thread isn't the message that I wrote. it's not how I wrote it...

the problem is that I, as an individual, wrote it.

i know i'm not the only person that feels this way. I know that I'm not the only person that has had these same experiences.

the problem is that if 1 person says it, he's complaining. if a group of people say it...it's a movement.

You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant!

And for you young folks here is what this is about....complete with 27 8x10 colored glossy pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNLE5z7jNaM

Anyways...

I stopped reading around page 6...

I agree 100% with the sentiment of the original post. It might have been a good idea to have delivered the message differently but hey...we all go off occasionally...

It's a game...HAVE FUN!

Ken
 
The 99% of the pool playing world is trying to tell the 1%'ers why they wont support pools upper echelon....:rolleyes:
 
You couldn't beat me with the 7 out wild with all the Breaks yet you post incessantly. you are the boor here son.

Yup. I'm quite confident you could beat me off-handed, one handed, blind folded, whatever. That also is no measure of achievement. Son.

I post here, participating in the conversation. I do so cuz I enjoy reading and talking about pool. Have you ever seen me post in any fashion that would indicate that I thought I could play well? I didn't think so.

I can hold my own in a debate, however, and have no qualms about doing do, when it suits me. Son.

Crap all over the APA, where a whole lot of people get introduced to this great game. They have fun, support the pool room, and a few even graduate beyond leagues. And that is a scourge how, exactly? Son?
 
You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant!

And for you young folks here is what this is about....complete with 27 8x10 colored glossy pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNLE5z7jNaM

Anyways...

I stopped reading around page 6...

I agree 100% with the sentiment of the original post. It might have been a good idea to have delivered the message differently but hey...we all go off occasionally...

It's a game...HAVE FUN!

Ken

I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench..... :p
 
Alright you...quit that logical posting! LOL

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Yup. I'm quite confident you could beat me off-handed, one handed, blind folded, whatever. That also is no measure of achievement. Son.

I post here, participating in the conversation. I do so cuz I enjoy reading and talking about pool. Have you ever seen me post in any fashion that would indicate that I thought I could play well? I didn't think so.

I can hold my own in a debate, however, and have no qualms about doing do, when it suits me. Son.

Crap all over the APA, where a whole lot of people get introduced to this great game. They have fun, support the pool room, and a few even graduate beyond leagues. And that is a scourge how, exactly? Son?
 
You could say my memory doesn't exactly pass quality standards, so I apologize that I questioned whether or not you had the same feelings towards the ones he was upset with as you did with him being upset. Misunderstandings have always caused problems throughout history I suppose.

AZB's been great, I've learned quite a bit about all aspects of the game and try to point people to here when I'm able to. It could just be a side-affect of the anonymity of the internet that allows people to constantly bash stuff, while others don't waste their time on responding, but as a community I disagree with the idea of silence in the face of wrongfulness as it sort of implies a feeling of acceptance.

NP, hatchet buried as far as I am concerned. Have a great Labor day.
 
There are good and bad people in all walks of life. Some folks show respect and others don't.

I empathize with the OP though, and think her remarks are not too far from the truth in my experiences over the last decade of association with this industry. With a vested business interest, I want to see pool grow and flourish, and continue to bring new people to the game that get excited about playing, and spending money on new equipment.

What I have seen though, is a an environment that is rife with disrespect, dishonesty, selfishness, short-sightedness, and otherwise unappealing to a VAST majority if the public. Sure, millions love to shoot pool recreationally at the bar, or with their friends at home, but for some reason, there is still an overwhelmingly mistrustful feeling for many of these people who might like to engage in the game on a more consistent basis.

Being in a town with LOTS of money, big banks and other big business, I have personally heard from people that they just don't feel welcome, safe, or comfortable joining a league or consistently going to the pool room. This has more to do with the folks that are already there, entrenched in the "scene", not being the most savory of characters.

Until there is a wholesale paradigm shift that begins to instill in players the same character traits that are taught in other sports such as - honesty, integrity, sportsmanship, work ethic, and class, I think pool is doomed to continue to wallow in its struggle to grow and be recognized on any major level as the sport that it truly is.

I'm NOT saying that there are not good people in billiards. There are MANY FANTASTIC people that love this game and work diligently to improve on it it, whether that means being nice and welcoming to newcomers, or tirelessly putting in the effort to improve on the existing structures, formats, and opportunities. I am , however, pointing out that there is a higher concentration of those that I would rather see marginalized to make way for more healthy and more productive primary demographic that would appeal to a much larger segment of the US population.
 
I'm for having 6" wide pockets, so you APA players can run 3 and 4 balls every turn to the table. I like it when they get ready to break a rack and grab their jump cue, so as to not force balls off the table with too powerful of a break. A few rotary twirls infuses it with all the magic needed to impress the buck toothed ladies nearby.
 
I think that Carter1984 said what Abbie was trying to say. He just said it elegantly. And his comments are something to think about when people discuss the "sad" state of pool as a sport.

Perhaps we need to learn to police ourselves
 
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I empathize with the OP though, and think her remarks

After 120 posts, not everyone is sure if abie10 is male or female. A friend of abie10's posted in this thread and called abie10 a "he" or "him". I'm of the opinion that abie10 is a man.

Will someone in the KNOW please chime in here and clarify this for everyone!!! Thanks in advance.

Maniac (see post #51)
 
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I wish I had time to read all the responses. I do not.

Most people leave the APA when they become a 7 ,,,after years of sand bagging.lol And after biting all their finger nails off,and pulling their hair out watching their 2-3 play for their future in a tournament.

Once a 7,,they can't find a team,,but they have become a better pool shooter.And it is not as challenging any longer. So they go out looking for a better opponent.

Sounds to me like you left the APA before this. And you are not ready!!!

It's much different and you must at least give it a chance. The hero shot in the APA where all your buds high five ya,,,is just another shot in the normal world. No hugs and kisses.

Your always going to feel shooters are looking down at you,,because you are not ready to accept it. Or overcome it and beat them.
You should still be having fun,,,that's the problem. Question is,,why are you not??? Must be your attitude,,,because a better shooter does not mind playing a lessor player. It's like a gift to them.

And I don't believe anyone ever told you that you were not ready. That's in your mind. Sorry,,I don't believe it. The majority of players,,will try to help you if you ask.

Maybe try this on another team,,,it should be fun.
 
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