AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest

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Kickin' Chicken said:
Being quiet about it was doing n-o-t-h-i-n-g !

If you need further clarification on my position, please reread my posts in the thread - it's all there. :)
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I don't really need further clarification. I get it. Like you said, being quiet about was doing nothing. Unlike being vocal about it. That has gotten results.


Oh. Wait... :confused:
 
mia said:
I don't really need further clarification. I get it. Like you said, being quiet about was doing nothing. Unlike being vocal about it. That has gotten results.


Oh. Wait... :confused:
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I know you enjoy being contrary.

If your cue ever gets stolen and you post about it here, most az'ers, including myself, would be quite sympathetic.

And if something could be done that might get your cue back, I believe some of your az family would step up and help.

You would likely appreciate that. :wink:

best,
brian kc
 
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wtf

why did my thread "BILL STROUD - DYD = Ruined Legacy?" just get consolidated into this member screwed by bill stroud thread?

The thread had 7,000 viewS AND OVER 150 RESPONSES - SEEMED TO BE DOING FINE ON ITS OWN.

I've never seen this sort of thing before.

mODS?

Admins?

best,
brian kc
 
Luxury said:
You probably doubt that the "been caught stealin' " thread won't reduce the shady people from stealing cues on camera either. If you missed that thread you should check it out. It was EPIC!
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The thing is that the nature of a forum is that information flits by. There is no sign on the door that says Shady People Beware, with a listing of threads about shady deals. Maybe there OUGHT to be a Hall of Shame and if there was then maybe that would be a deterrent.

But seriously we have a new "shady deal" thread every other day. Often between members who have been here a long time and know the climate.

Thanks for bringing up the stealing thread though because I have a story to add to it. And you're right, it was/is epic.
 
bullshit....

JB Cases said:
That's what you think. You are choosing to see the romantic movie version rather than the truth of it. Go back and read deeply about history and you find plenty of corruption and scandal even among the so-called noble class.

You say it's a cop out and I say it's reality. In actuality history was written by those who wanted to make themselves and their class look better than it was.

Now historians are able to look on the past with much more insight and able to ascertain the truth which is far grimier than whitewashed textbooks made it out to be.

I don't see how this could be considered noble behavior by anyone but the practitioners of it. Kind of like how Scientologists believe in their way as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido

So, in your paper you tell us a story about a nobleman who called out a former prisoner for allegedly telling lies about the condition of his imprisonment. What if the prisoner had won the duel and slain the nobleman, would then his account of the treatment be truth? You think people don't get called out for their foibles today? What is this thread then if NOT calling out Bill's actions on this.

Just because not everyone is on board with an ongoing whine-fest over it doesn't mean Bill hasn't been called-out. If I read your sentiments correctly you seem to feel that perhaps Bill should either consent to a duel to settle it or perhaps he should fall on his cue and commit noble suicide for this disgrace? I am not entirely sure of the point you are making. The fact that this colossal stiffing of the winner and the forum is enshrined in multiple threads spanning years for as long as the internet exists isn't enough for you?

We are not willing to accept dishonesty. We simply are not willing to kill or sentence people to death over it any more as a society. That's far more noble in my opinion.
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Again that's a cop out by those in modern times with an agenda...

Oh so and so was a queer... oh so and so was a dishonest *****...

It's a way for them to justify their own positions, etc...

Were their other problems with those societies???Absolutely...

Were their always dishonest individuals within society???? Absolutely...

That does NOT change what was expected by society in general in past and other societies and what has become acceptable business and life practices based on CHANGES in society.

You go ahead and accept the NEWLY written histories changing the past into corrupt dishonest societies filled with queers etc...

If you want to believe I'm deluding myself about them, you better first find out what I think about those societies before you do so.

I have only stated that personal honor was held in much higher esteem in those past societies, anything else, or individuals actions within those societies I would have to look at on a case by case basis to determine what I believe about them.

But for you to say that past societies in general were just as dishonest and dispassionate about personal honor and responsibility and holding others accountable for their lack of honor is disingenuous at best...

Jaden
 
Oddly enough, I agree with Barton on this one. People are generally good to each other and mostly honest. These traits haven't really changed much through the centuries. I recently changed my APA nickname to a name that is honesty, charity and love personified.. he was a real sweetheart, some would say! Read about him here.

For those of you that remember the movie..

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Ok, maybe he wasn't any of those 3 things.. but, people haven't changed much!
 
I couldn't believe the header. If 1% of the Cue Makers were half the Cue Maker or man Bill Stroud is the industry would be a better place.

Carry on with your waste of time because the above words are 100% accurate and true.
 
Jaden said:
Again that's a cop out by those in modern times with an agenda...

Oh so and so was a queer... oh so and so was a dishonest *****...

It's a way for them to justify their own positions, etc...

Were their other problems with those societies???Absolutely...

Were their always dishonest individuals within society???? Absolutely...

That does NOT change what was expected by society in general in past and other societies and what has become acceptable business and life practices based on CHANGES in society.

You go ahead and accept the NEWLY written histories changing the past into corrupt dishonest societies filled with queers etc...

If you want to believe I'm deluding myself about them, you better first find out what I think about those societies before you do so.

I have only stated that personal honor was held in much higher esteem in those past societies, anything else, or individuals actions within those societies I would have to look at on a case by case basis to determine what I believe about them.

But for you to say that past societies in general were just as dishonest and dispassionate about personal honor and responsibility and holding others accountable for their lack of honor is disingenuous at best...

Jaden
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Accountable for lack of "honor"? You mean by challenging people to duels to the death or loping their heads off or expecting them to commit suicide?

You don't think it's a bit disingenuous to use the fact that SOME folks aren't as outraged over Bill's actions as you you think that they should be to pass judgment on society as a whole? Nearly everyone in this thread condemns Bill's actions.

What do you think that the proper course of action should be? Should we form a mob and go get him and string him up and brand "Air Barreler" into his forehead?

In today's world we can only talk about it, condemn it, and if motivated sue him. We don't ride up and shoot him because we are honorable and he is not. And he doesn't represent society at large. If you really want to go there then compare the minority of cue makers who stiff customers with the VAST majority who don't. Why isn't the vast majority of cue makers who deliver not held up as indicative of society's honor?
 
These threads were merged.


There has been no new info added and multiple threads are uncalled for.

Dave
 
TomHay said:
I couldn't believe the header. If 1% of the Cue Makers were half the Cue Maker or man Bill Stroud is the industry would be a better place.

Carry on with your waste of time because the above words are 100% accurate and true.
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Well said, Tom. If someone at the pool hall said some of the things, that have been said about him in this thread, around me, i'd drop them like a bad habit.

I'm not a religious man, but i do think there are some great advice, and analogies in the bible........The one that sums this thread up perfectly is, let he whom has never sinned, throw the first stone.......I'd bet that, those who live in glass houses, should'nt throw stones, would fit pretty good too.:cool:

Basically what i'm saying, for those that need clarification is, just because Bill is in the wrong in this particular case, does not make him a lesser man than any of you talking trash on him. Furthermore, i'm quite sure he's a better man than most of you will ever be.

Where pray tell, can i get some of the dope y'all are smokin, anyways?

I've seen way better threads than this deleted, for sure.

Bill Stroud has done more for this sport, and the people that play it, than all the naysayers in this thread combined. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.:cool:
 
JB Cases said:
The thing is that the nature of a forum is that information flits by. There is no sign on the door that says Shady People Beware, with a listing of threads about shady deals. Maybe there OUGHT to be a Hall of Shame and if there was then maybe that would be a deterrent.

But seriously we have a new "shady deal" thread every other day. Often between members who have been here a long time and know the climate.

Thanks for bringing up the stealing thread though because I have a story to add to it. And you're right, it was/is epic.
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Please share your story. Would love to hear it. :)
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
If your cue ever gets stolen and you post about it here, most az'ers, including myself, would be quite sympathetic.
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Thanks buddy! Much obliged.

But, you're not really likening this situation to a stolen cue. Are you?? There is no product. There is no transaction. There is nothing more than a promise. And guess what? Promises get broken all the time. Whining about it incessantly won't make this situation right. Move on. Get over it.
 
Perhaps the reason this resonates so deeply with folks is that this particular disappointment happened here, on our forums. Our back yard, our virtual pool room. This is where we come to hang out. These are our people, to a degree, and someone came into our place, got our people excited about a project, then let those people down.

I think that many of us value the community aspect of AZB, and think of our fellow members as a sort of family. And when someone does that family wrong, right here in front of everyone, it strikes a chord. Or less succinctly, it pissed us off.

Still others here don't have that sense of community, and thus don't care what others think, or what happens to them.

Those two points of view don't coexist very well.

I still think Mr. Stroud did this community wrong.
 
mia said:
Thanks buddy! Much obliged.

But, you're not really likening this situation to a stolen cue. Are you?? There is no product. There is no transaction. There is nothing more than a promise. And guess what? Promises get broken all the time. Whining about it incessantly won't make this situation right. Move on. Get over it.
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The real crime here is Bill's lack of accountability, response, explanation or apology. We are a stood-up date, waiting at the door with flowers and perfume. Bill is the dirty no good (insert bad word) who no-showed.

Brian and I were just two of many rubes who were absorbed by this contest. We were really into it. Something like this gets you daydreaming about all the possibilities.

I am over it. I've written it off as a loss. The worst thing? Heroes really do fall hard and this really does suck.
 
I haven't read through all the pages but understand from what I
have read what's going on.Has anybody spoke to Bill to find out
what has happened or what his response was?Somebody on this
forum must know him to some degree I would think.Whats his
take on this situation?

It seems quite odd that a world renown cuemaker would tarnish his
rep, even a little bit over a cue.Very strange!!!
 
Mr. Wilson said:
These threads were merged.


There has been no new info added and multiple threads are uncalled for.

Dave
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Hi Mr. Wilson;

I have never seen threads merged before on az though I imagine it may have happened and it simply slipped by me.

There certainly have been a number of threads that discuss what tip, chalk, player, aiming system, etc., is best, worst, and on and on and I have not seen any of those ever get merged.

So, why this one?

The aforementioned threads contained no real new info, I think you would agree.

The "AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest" thread was dormant for months and you saw the need to revive it to join the "BILL STROUD - DYD = Ruined Legacy?" thread?

While I won't say I disagree with the thought that an az member may have been "screwed" by Bill Stroud, those were not my words.

What I contributed was intended for the new thread I submitted and with my posts being moved over to a different thread, I feel like I have been edited.

There are some subtle yet distinct differences in the two threads and I feel they deserve their own identities.

I am respectfully requesting that you keep an open mind on this and will consider putting them back as two separate threads, as they were posted.

thank you.

best,
brian kc
 
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