Emily Duddy VS Ine Helvik match Amway Cup March 2013

[mia]

Do u want to play Emily in a after hours match? I will stake Emily.

Thanks for the offer but I'm not much of an after hours kinda guy anymore. I've got a job, a wife, a family, and I play pool maybe once a week if I'm lucky. If I were to ever start playing more frequently, perhaps I'd take you up on this offer, which itself is both foolish and naive... as if challenging someone you don't know and have never seen will somehow make what I'm saying about Emily's game any less legitimate. I get that you're a fan or a friend. I have friends too. I have a friend too who played in the female pro event as SBE this year. I couldn't help but laugh because she is maybe a C player on a good day. Yet she's a "pro". She's still a friend, sure. But I'm a realist. I'm not gonna go and defend her if someone were to say "She's not a pro level player!" I'd just agree. Because its true.

I'm not saying she won't rise to the top some day. Not at all. For her sake, I really hope she does. All I'm saying is... she just isn't there yet. She's not a world class player. Its not an insult. Its a fact. So while I appreciate you trying to call ME out (lol), I'm not the one touting myself as a "professional pool player". I'm not the one playing on the world stage. But thanks anyway just the same.

 

[JAM]

Thanks for the offer but I'm not much of an after hours kinda guy anymore. I've got a job, a wife, a family, and I play pool maybe once a week if I'm lucky. If I were to ever start playing more frequently, perhaps I'd take you up on this offer, which is foolish and naive... as if challenging someone you don't know and have never seen will somehow make what I'm saying about Emily's game any less legitimate.

I'm not saying she won't rise to the top some day. Not at all. For her sake, I really hope she does. All I'm saying is... she just isn't there yet. She's not a world class player. Its not an insult. Its a fact. So while I appreciate you trying to call ME out (lol), I'm not the one touting myself as a "professional pool player". I'm not the one playing on the world stage. But thanks anyway just the same.

Pardon me for this interruption, but you are a male or a female? Just curious. I had always thought you were a female.

 

[Black-Balled]

Hi Emily,
I'd like to suggest that you consider wearing attire other than a short mini-skirt and boots when playing competitive pool. In a match situation, you want to be focused on the table and your opponent, not on your clothes.

Weird comment...once she's dressed, she prob doesn't focus a whole lot on what she's wearing.

 

[mia]

Pardon me for this interruption, but you are a male or a female? Just curious. I had always thought you were a female.

I'm a male. I'm just in touch with my sensitive side. :thumbup:

Why?

 

[Worminator]

Pardon me for this interruption, but you are a male or a female? Just curious. I had always thought you were a female.

I can certainly understand the confusion...

 

[JAM]

I'm a male. I'm just in touch with my sensitive side. :thumbup:

Why?

No reason, really. Truthfully, gender does not matter, but in reading your posts previously, I made the assumption you were female. Now that I know you are male, I may interpret your posts differently. Again, gender doesn't matter to me, but when I am digesting words written by others, sometimes it helps to know their vantage point, so to speak! :smile:

 

[bender_lu]

Did anybody else see that 4 ball roll off at the 36:00 mark?? Yowers!!!

i thought exactly the same thing. it seems it rolled off about 2 inches or more

 

[lukemindish]

In typical AZ jackass fashion this thread has been derailed. She had the guts to post a video and ask for criticism. And yet this thread has turned into what shes wearing and other things that are off topic. Im willing to bet that most of the people that bash her skill level dont play half as good as she does. This forum in a lot of ways has become a joke.

Emily in your match, your stroke, form and position play all looked good. The one thing I would say is take your time when surveying the table. Slow down a bit. It seems like you rush around the table when looking at shots. Keep up the good shooting!

 

[mia]

i thought exactly the same thing. it seems it rolled off about 2 inches or more

I saw the same thing yesterday and was kinda stunned. I mean, its a world event and the table rolls like that?!? That was awful. No skid. No spin. Nothing. Just a crap roll as a result of a poorly setup table I suppose.

In typical AZ jackass fashion this thread has been derailed. She had the guts to post a video and ask for criticism. And yet this thread has turned into what shes wearing and other things that are off topic. Im willing to bet that most of the people that bash her skill level dont play half as good as she does. This forum in a lot of ways has become a joke.

This is what I don't understand... she came here and asked for criticism. And now we're all a$$holes for criticizing her? I've seen a few videos of Emily playing. The Ginky Memorial tourney... both Amway Cup patches... maybe one or two others. Frankly, she seems like a shot maker. Her cueball is a little out of control. And a lot of the time, she just seems to play the wrong shot. Case in point... the video she posted of her first round at the AmWay cup. Her very first shot, she walks up and is hooked on the 2 ball. So she kicks at it, makes the hit, and leaves a straight in shot for her opponent. Why kick at it just to make a hit? Why not push out?? I'm not saying Emily is bad. I never said Emily is bad. I'm just saying that she's clearly not 'there' yet. She's playing in a world event but is very clearly not a world class player. Not an insult. She may be just that one day. But in her second match, she plays a world class player. And in THAT match, her shot selection and the final score tell the tale.

If its criticism of her game she wants, then I'd say this... work on your cueball a bit more. You're already a shot maker so getting great shape will make your life that much easier. Also, spend less time walking around the table to look at each next shot. Sometimes, its not really necessary. But instead, spend that time on your pre-shot routine (lining up the shot, practice stroking, etc.). It seems like you walk around the table, see where your next shot should be, then just bend over and fire.

- B <------------ not trying to be a d!ck. Trying to be a realist. Didn't realize that wasn't allowed.

 

[CreeDo]

I disagree completely as talent trumps all of that every single time. Without talent & knowledge, everything else does not matter.

Then how is it Jeanette Lee makes more money than her husband, if her husband (and a handful of other women) can outplay her? The other stuff DOES matter to your wallet, if not your ability to hit a ball.

Not so much directed at PoolJunkie but, the scorn and pissy potshots directed at her is unreal. People are acting like Emily's the arrogant jerk who needs to be taken down three pegs, because she dared to call herself a professional (she is) or a great player (it's a relative term but I'm sure she's great compared to most of the guys in this thread).

Some are even going out of their way to hunt down videos of bad sets like that will "prove" she's just so terrible at pool. Like these nobodies have never lost several racks in a row. Hey knockers... feel free fly across the planet, play on TV on foreign equipment, against players who could spot you a ball, and watch how many goose eggs you deliver.

 

[mia]

No reason, really. Truthfully, gender does not matter, but in reading your posts previously, I made the assumption you were female. Now that I know you are male, I may interpret your posts differently. Again, gender doesn't matter to me, but when I am digesting words written by others, sometimes it helps to know their vantage point, so to speak! :smile:

I see. I assure you, this has nothing to do with gender. I'm not 'hating' on the women. Not by a long shot. As I said to cleary in another thread, I am well aware of the difference in the level of play between most women pros and most men. To be honest, I'm not at all sure why that is. I mean, I could understand if it were the break (strength), but guys like Shane, Corey, etc. have been VERY successful with a softer break. And sure! Women like Allison, Karen, Kelly, etc. can compete with the men. But for the most part, it kinda does baffle me why there aren't more women out there keeping up with the men. The only real conclusion I can come up with....

Maybe they don't put in as much time. Maybe women want to have lives outside of the poolhall. For that, I commend them. lol.

I can certainly understand the confusion...

That hurt Jaime. That hurt. :grin:

- B <----------- a dude.

 

[Ghosst]

This is what I don't understand... she came here and asked for criticism. And now we're all a$$holes for criticizing her?

There's a difference between criticism and some of the comments in this thread. It's not a fine line; it's big, bright, and probably glow-in-the-dark but people still cross it and proclaim to only be, "helping". These are the same people who sue if, "Hot!" isn't printed on their coffee cups.


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[Maniac]

This is what I don't understand... she came here and asked for criticism. And now we're all a$$holes for criticizing her? I've seen a few videos of Emily playing. The Ginky Memorial tourney... both Amway Cup patches... maybe one or two others. Frankly, she seems like a shot maker. Her cueball is a little out of control. And a lot of the time, she just seems to play the wrong shot. Case in point... the video she posted of her first round at the AmWay cup. Her very first shot, she walks up and is hooked on the 2 ball. So she kicks at it, makes the hit, and leaves a straight in shot for her opponent. Why kick at it just to make a hit? Why not push out?? I'm not saying Emily is bad. I never said Emily is bad. I'm just saying that she's clearly not 'there' yet. She's playing in a world event but is very clearly not a world class player. Not an insult. She may be just that one day. But in her second match, she plays a world class player. And in THAT match, her shot selection and the final score tell the tale.

If its criticism of her game she wants, then I'd say this... work on your cueball a bit more. You're already a shot maker so getting great shape will make your life that much easier. Also, spend less time walking around the table to look at each next shot. Sometimes, its not really necessary. But instead, spend that time on your pre-shot routine (lining up the shot, practice stroking, etc.). It seems like you walk around the table, see where your next shot should be, then just bend over and fire.

Not feeling a need to apologize, but........I'm sorry, but I pretty much agree with mia in the above post. I have watched three videos of Emily now, and seeing as how she DID ask for criticism (no matter how harsh) I must say that although she plays pretty sporty, she has a few flaws in her game. Her safety game is so-so to bad (needs work). Her shot selection is bad at times (thought process needs a bit of improvement). Her kicking game is somewhat weak (could use some improvement). All-in-all, she is a good shotmaker and her PSR is not at all bad (my opinion of this differs from others). She has a good break shot. She seems to focus well and has plenty of determination. She is young and is going to continue to improve. My hat's off to her to have the brass to post a video here and ASK for critcism (no matter how harsh).

Keep at it Emily. Your determination and desire to improve will pay off someday.

Maniac

 

[ShootingArts]

the right to compete

One theme that seems to be coming up over and over is that a person shouldn't compete in big events until they are at a level to be a threat to win. I don't subscribe to that theory. You don't learn to run with the big dogs laying on the porch! Unless the event has specific qualifications or requirements you pay your money, you are as entitled to compete as the world's best.

I started shooting benchrest competition years ago. The first event I was still waiting on my competition rifle so I drug out my trusty hunting rifle and a brand new rest that had a few quirks I didn't know about. No windflags of my own yet but hell there was a whole field full of them, what did I need my own for? This was a registered named event, also the state championship which I wasn't even aware of when I went. I looked around and there were all the guys I read about. At the bench next to me sat Marcy Lyons, a true legend. The guy getting his stuff off the bench I'm using so I can set up, he wrote the definitive "how to" book on the sport. There are at least a half dozen Hall of Famers in the field, a few world champions and world record holders. We will be kind since we is me and I am the one typing this. Suffix to say I didn't win and didn't impress anyone with anything but my courage for gutting it out over the course of two long brutal days.

Six months later these guys at least noticed when I showed up at an event. Another six months and I was competitive. Several other forms of competition I just showed up and ran with the big dogs. It is a tough gig, you sink or swim and it is even tougher in the public eye like some other things I did. Nothing like having thousands of spectators watching your first efforts. Millions watching like the Amway cup? I can't imagine!

Gambling at pool was much the same way when I waded in. No spots, no sweat who I was playing, if they were any good they were lying about their name anyway. Belly up to the table and devil take the hindmost.

It takes a lot of guts to openly say you are trying to be the best when you are first paying your dues. Those that do have a lot better chance of getting there than those that want the same thing but bashfully say "I'm just here to donate" or "fill the field" or whatever.

I wish all that try the best of luck. 99% of them will fail to reach the most elite level. Most of those that fail to reach the highest level will reach higher levels than they ever would have without setting lofty goals, and higher levels than those sitting on the porch!

Hu

 

[JAM]

Well, I must interject here that my Uggs boots are some of the most comfortable things I own. I love my Uggs boots. They are comfy. Boots are cool!

I've heard my other half complain about long shirt sleeves or long pants, blaming them on why he missed a shot. He tripped over his pants leg or when he was breaking, the sleeve interfered. And my favorite, "These shoes are too tight."

If Emily feels comfy in her boots, more power to her! I can relate! :smile:

 

[Dr. Dissent]

How is that even relevant. She was focused on her clothes when she got dressed that morning, like most every other human alive.... and then went to work. Not sure how wearing a mini skirt hurts her game.
It was not like she changed clothers during the match ????


Emily... do NOT listen to this fool. Not sure why a grown man would ever even utter such nonsense.. He's evil, pure evil I tell you... or he's gay (not that there is anything wrong with that

If the skirt is longer, she won't have to worry when she has to extend herself on the table.....besides, it is prudent and of better taste.!

 

[Icon of Sin]

One theme that seems to be coming up over and over is that a person shouldn't compete in big events until they are at a level to be a threat to win. I don't subscribe to that theory. You don't learn to run with the big dogs laying on the porch! Unless the event has specific qualifications or requirements you pay your money, you are as entitled to compete as the world's best.

I started shooting benchrest competition years ago. The first event I was still waiting on my competition rifle so I drug out my trusty hunting rifle and a brand new rest that had a few quirks I didn't know about. No windflags of my own yet but hell there was a whole field full of them, what did I need my own for? This was a registered named event, also the state championship which I wasn't even aware of when I went. I looked around and there were all the guys I read about. At the bench next to me sat Marcy Lyons, a true legend. The guy getting his stuff off the bench I'm using so I can set up, he wrote the definitive "how to" book on the sport. There are at least a half dozen Hall of Famers in the field, a few world champions and world record holders. We will be kind since we is me and I am the one typing this. Suffix to say I didn't win and didn't impress anyone with anything but my courage for gutting it out over the course of two long brutal days.

Six months later these guys at least noticed when I showed up at an event. Another six months and I was competitive. Several other forms of competition I just showed up and ran with the big dogs. It is a tough gig, you sink or swim and it is even tougher in the public eye like some other things I did. Nothing like having thousands of spectators watching your first efforts. Millions watching like the Amway cup? I can't imagine!

Gambling at pool was much the same way when I waded in. No spots, no sweat who I was playing, if they were any good they were lying about their name anyway. Belly up to the table and devil take the hindmost.

It takes a lot of guts to openly say you are trying to be the best when you are first paying your dues. Those that do have a lot better chance of getting there than those that want the same thing but bashfully say "I'm just here to donate" or "fill the field" or whatever.

I wish all that try the best of luck. 99% of them will fail to reach the most elite level. Most of those that fail to reach the highest level will reach higher levels than they ever would have without setting lofty goals, and higher levels than those sitting on the porch!

You're right. They shouldnt play in those events until they are able to at least complete.

Play better players and you will get better. This can all be done at home and you don't have to go half way around the world and represent your Country to do it.

 

[West Point 1987]

One theme that seems to be coming up over and over is that a person shouldn't compete in big events until they are at a level to be a threat to win. I don't subscribe to that theory. You don't learn to run with the big dogs laying on the porch! Unless the event has specific qualifications or requirements you pay your money, you are as entitled to compete as the world's best.

I started shooting benchrest competition years ago. The first event I was still waiting on my competition rifle so I drug out my trusty hunting rifle and a brand new rest that had a few quirks I didn't know about. No windflags of my own yet but hell there was a whole field full of them, what did I need my own for? This was a registered named event, also the state championship which I wasn't even aware of when I went. I looked around and there were all the guys I read about. At the bench next to me sat Marcy Lyons, a true legend. The guy getting his stuff off the bench I'm using so I can set up, he wrote the definitive "how to" book on the sport. There are at least a half dozen Hall of Famers in the field, a few world champions and world record holders. We will be kind since we is me and I am the one typing this. Suffix to say I didn't win and didn't impress anyone with anything but my courage for gutting it out over the course of two long brutal days.

Six months later these guys at least noticed when I showed up at an event. Another six months and I was competitive. Several other forms of competition I just showed up and ran with the big dogs. It is a tough gig, you sink or swim and it is even tougher in the public eye like some other things I did. Nothing like having thousands of spectators watching your first efforts. Millions watching like the Amway cup? I can't imagine!

Gambling at pool was much the same way when I waded in. No spots, no sweat who I was playing, if they were any good they were lying about their name anyway. Belly up to the table and devil take the hindmost.

It takes a lot of guts to openly say you are trying to be the best when you are first paying your dues. Those that do have a lot better chance of getting there than those that want the same thing but bashfully say "I'm just here to donate" or "fill the field" or whatever.

I wish all that try the best of luck. 99% of them will fail to reach the most elite level. Most of those that fail to reach the highest level will reach higher levels than they ever would have without setting lofty goals, and higher levels than those sitting on the porch!

Hu

No truer words have ever been posted on AZB. The only way to truly improve in a competitive environment is to compete against people who are better than you are. If I play weaker players, I tend to play down to their level...that does nothing more than keep me even or makes me lazy. If I match up with someone better, then I bear down and eventually learn how to win. That's why I posted that she will come back to New York after one of these world class events and torture everybody who used to give her the 7.

 

[bender_lu]

maybe some more experiences in pattern disciplines (straight pool and 8ball) might improve the tactical aspects of her game. jasmin ouschan plays great straight pool and took a lot of it to her 9 ball game.

and if she got the meanings, she SHOULD compete in every tournament she can. competition, against players of your levels but of course vs the best too, is the best training.

as for the dress(code). i remember one situation in the video where she had to the the rest, even though the ball was reachable (when stretching). but no1 (well, except some very drunk banger) would stretch over a table in a mini skirt.
but overall its was tastefull (ive already seen MUCH worse).

there is a long way to go for the up and coming female pool players. (many) years back the top women were a handfull of exceptions in a domain dominated by men, in quality and quantity. but some nations seem to take pool very serious and invest also in their female players. Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Taipei, China and many more.... they all have youth programs that bring young girls and boys early to the sport.... hell i remember too good how a 12 year old ran several racks in 8 ball, scary for a grown up man :grin:

all in short:

- more pattern disciplines (tactics, saves)
- competition, competition,... (nerves, mental game)
- training, drills (shotmaking)

good luck to you!

 

[Dr. Dissent]

That's why I posted that she will come back to New York after one of these world class events and torture everybody who used to give her the 7.

Whoa ! Do you really believe this? That is never going to happen (well, maybe in her dreams.!!).