Bonus Ball now to be know as BOGUS BALL

[cajunfats]

You can call me a hater if you want but my only gripe was scheduling right on top of the Southern Classic. They absolutely didn't have to do that.

That said, this is how it all looks to me. What I will say here is just my opinion based on what I can gather from everything that has taken place over the course of the last several months.

The players are there for a pay check, plain and simple. If the money stops they are gone. They don't like this game, that's pretty obvious. Nathan is there to gather together all the best video equipment he can, just in case he has to bail later. In the meantime he will be the world's greatest advocate for BB. Larry's job is to continue to pacify the investors so the money stream does not stop.

That's it in a nutshell. If you don't like my does of reality, please feel free to hate on me all you want. I'm a big boy, I can take it.

P.S. My take on this whole fiasco is that it will come crumbling down like a house of cards, probably sooner rather than later.

Jay, I just posted my theory about the main goal of BB from a post by Justin. That, with your post also shows how an effort to steamroll this into a purposeful power play to permanently draw the pro's away from major tournaments is at work here. If BB's WPBL were to contract the players, would the Southern Classic have to pay, let's say Rodney Morris, for an "appearance" at Tunica. Jay, there is more afoot here than a simple overlap of scheduling, and you see it clear as a bell. Remember all the WPA sanctioning crap that has gone on for years. What if The Bigfoot Ten Ball Classic had to "sanction" with the WPBL in order to get the players? Sanctioning ain't cheap!

There is a lot more to this "little" Bonus Ball scenario.

 

[sopadre]

JAY, right on

JAY,your assessment of BB has always been right on .The game and production is a total joke.I watched about 2 hours on Thurs and Friday and you couldnt pay me to watch it again.Other streamers(Big Truck,JCIN,Fast Lenny,) have been a welcome plus by adding value and advancing pool.BB unfortunately is going to give pool another black eye!

 

[cajunfats]

Investor Exposure

so only maybe another 10 million to get that off the ground? Or is everyone still staying in Vegas but wearing Beijing Bozos Tshirts?

Since I don't give away my marketing expertise for free,lol, except on AZ, I would be reaching numerous potential team investors(Nuveau Rich) in Asia through this in house production, where the quality and editing are superior to the crap we got online. With the influx of Hundreds of Millions, the team from Beijing would actually have an Official Bonus Ball Arena in Beijing. Something that should have been done here(actually having teams in their respective cities), but don't have the investors willing to risk here. Did anyone bother to ask the pro players if they asked, "Why do I represent New York but have to go to Vegas to play?"

cajunfats

 

[Island Drive]

Justin, I believe that your last sentence dovetails into a theory I have about the goal of Bonus Ball.

Bonus Ball is totally developed for the burgeoning Asian Market, esp. China.

The professional players are being used to Beta Test this concept. They have name recognition in Asia and would help familiarize the game in a region of the world that doesn't have the long history of other pool games.

Asia has superior viewership on pool versus the American market. Cities in China esp. have huge sports identities with their soccer, table tennis, gymnastics,etc. Team Sport is a perfect fit under the Bonus Ball concept.

If I said that the Pro's were being whored out for somebody else's future profits, it wouldn't be the first time. I predict you will one day see the great American Players playing for Shanghai, Seoul, Beijing, Taiwan and Singapore teams just like soccer pro's.

We, as viewers won't make a thimbleful of difference in the viewership money for BB. We are merely the original test consumer.

Just my little theory.

cajunfats(Carl)

I like your perspective. Many pros are as described, which is to their own demise and its proliferation, but its the Nature of the Beast in USA. Some countries are educated, learn, train for pool, in the states its, ''what's in it for me'' and how can I get the cash is the NORM thinking. Was refreshing to hear recently, Thorston Hollman does NOT gamble or match up, that's a very healthy mindset when compared to others who find the money the reason. But in the states, almost Every pro player is Broke, or broken. If there was structure, or a path like many careers have, there would be many happy American pros.

Dovetail #2
Here in Colorado Springs with our demographic melting pot, Burger King/McDonalds and many other national chains, Always test market new items Here before introducing them to the other parts of the country.

 

[cajunfats]

Thanks Bill.

I like your perspective. Many pros are as described, which is to their own demise and its proliferation, but its the Nature of the Beast in USA. Some countries are educated, learn, train for pool, in the states its, ''what's in it for me'' and how can I get the cash is the NORM thinking. Was refreshing to hear recently, Thorston Hollman does NOT gamble or match up, that's a very healthy mindset when compared to others who find the money the reason. But in the states, almost Every pro player is Broke, or broken. If there was structure, or a path like many careers have, there would be many happy American pros.

Dovetail #2
Here in Colorado Springs with our demographic melting pot, Burger King/McDonalds and many other national chains, Always test market new items Here before introducing them to the other parts of the country.

Perhaps some of that time playing league in Germany, working with John Lewis at the BCA, and a stint in Native American Casino Marketing gave me my perspectives. Didn't hurt to help manage a family Cajun Specialty Food Company either.

If I were a marketing advisor for Bonus Ball, they would have much better PR, and an honest public vision for the future.

Yes, Colorado Springs is a great demographic source for investor business. Got some pretty sporty pool players there too!

cajunfats(Carl)

 

[spanky79]

Justin, I believe that your last sentence dovetails into a theory I have about the goal of Bonus Ball.

Bonus Ball is totally developed for the burgeoning Asian Market, esp. China.

The professional players are being used to Beta Test this concept. They have name recognition in Asia and would help familiarize the game in a region of the world that doesn't have the long history of other pool games.

Asia has superior viewership on pool versus the American market. Cities in China esp. have huge sports identities with their soccer, table tennis, gymnastics,etc. Team Sport is a perfect fit under the Bonus Ball concept.

If I said that the Pro's were being whored out for somebody else's future profits, it wouldn't be the first time. I predict you will one day see the great American Players playing for Shanghai, Seoul, Beijing, Taiwan and Singapore teams just like soccer pro's.

We, as viewers won't make a thimbleful of difference in the viewership money for BB. We are merely the original test consumer.

Just my little theory.

cajunfats(Carl)

I believe you are giving them WAYYYYY to much credit.

 

[cajunfats]

Perhaps

I believe you are giving them WAYYYYY to much credit.

Maybe. But, I think this isn't just another tragic attempt to stimulate American Pro Pool.

I'm glad I went to the Friday Night Tournament at my local place. My money supported local players and local business. Marketing 101.

cajunfats(Carl)

 

[BarneyCalip]

How Sad for Pool

Millions were spent for a disaster to happen like this is unbelievable.
Time they had plenty........
The more time the more disasters.

Pool Players have great Ideas and can sell Ice at the North Pole.
Years of gambling expertise may have swayed the Investors.

These guy's are blaming everything on anything but themselves.
Nathan is so condescending to the public, but it is okay in his book!
The public doesn't matter it is only the Sugar Daddies that are important.

Responsibility what does it mean?

Nathan say's he is ultimately responsible because he hired those people.
However when your the boss their is no consequences.

Hope you can find it in yourself to hire some expert advice.
Your current experts missed the boat.

Good Luck Nathan, your going to need it.

 

[JC]

It's a good thing those in charge...didn't have to return any rails to the investors, but rather get to keep what they've already recieved:thumbup: I couldn't resist, though it's a horse of a different color

Glen

I thought bonus ball was good for this forum to shift directions for the school of piranhas :smile:

 

[RunoutJJ]

M
Good Luck Nathan, you're going to need it.

Fixed it

 

[realkingcobra]

I thought bonus ball was good for this forum to shift directions for the school of piranhas :smile:

Don't see to many of them around now...do ya

 

[realkingcobra]

I thought bonus ball was good for this forum to shift directions for the school of piranhas :smile:

BB has a long way to go to catch up, I ended up with 33,016 views...what's wrong with BB not getting all the views? I thought it was suppose to be the greatest thing since Apple pie

 

[Celtic]

Whatever happens...I'm supporting the players 1000%...great job on your opening night(s) guys, knock um dead...thanks a bunch, you're the greatest....

That is super swell of you, especially given that the players themselves chose not to support the tournament directors and tours that worked hard to support those players for years, instead choosing to jump onto the BB bandwagon and sign contracts that required the players stop supporting the few great events that exist that helped professional pool players remain professional pool players for the last few years.

 

[golubushka]

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[Scott Lee]

Glen...See? Shows what you know! EVERYBODY knows cherry pie is much better than apple! LOL Heck cherry pie goes all the way back to George Washington! Johnny Appleseed came long after GW! There now ya know...it should be: "I thought it (BB) was supposed to be the greatest thing since Cherry pie!" :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

BB has a long way to go to catch up, I ended up with 33,016 views...what's wrong with BB not getting all the views? I thought it was suppose to be the greatest thing since Apple pie

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Good point re new players being able to become Pros.

Probably more about the players repeating past mistakes and shooting themselves in the foot again, and then expecting others to step up and provide for them once again.

Proven many times that they can't see past their schnozola and only do whats good for them today.

Meanwhile, causing harm to the folks that have tried to provide them with somewhat of an existence for years.

Its close to the end point where there aren't many large tourneys any more with good payouts. You help those disappear and they won't be coming back.

Then ya gots nothing. Zero.

 

[buddha162]

P.S. My take on this whole fiasco is that it will come crumbling down like a house of cards, probably sooner rather than later.

And when it does there will be fools on this forum who will lay part of the blame on us "haters."

-roger

 

[golubushka]

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[JB Cases]

And when it does there will be fools on this forum who will lay part of the blame on us "haters."

-roger

Nah, the BB people don't care about forum chatter. I am sure it's already been explained to potential and existing investors that the target market isn't the hard core pool fanatic but instead the larger mainstream.

Let's be honest, the majority of people who follow snooker don't play snooker. Same for basket ball, foot ball, tennis etc....

At one point ABC's Mosconi/Fats battles were some of the highest rated shows on TV. No way that all those viewers played pool. I would argue that they were simply attracted to the drama and conflict.

 

[buddha162]

Nah, the BB people don't care about forum chatter.

I said "fools on this forum," the people behind BB are of a different class altogether.

It's a curious strategy: insult and alienate the core fans of the game, go after the casual viewers. Though I have a hard time accepting even the premise, since I find the game itself utterly retarded to begin with.

-roger