WPBL (Bonus Ball) - Hohmann 60 Ball Run on Youtube

Might as well throw in 2 cents after finally seeing a semi-finished product for the first time...

The Good:

• Arena looks great, love the color changing lights.
• Graphics and video in general top notch.
• Commentary great, though I agree JJ far outshines his counterpart. The usual arrangement is to have an expert,
and then a sidekick who adds color. In this case the color guy is not very colorful at all,
so it's like an expert and someone who is just not as good.
• Nice job working in explanations of the rules with both the commentators and the popup graphics.
• Players and crowd show plenty of enthusiasm.
• Lee is great as a ref. All refs should have a british accent. And he seemed confident about the rules.
The players didn't have to stop and ask as much as they did in earlier matches.
• Uniforms, black pants, and black shoes help a lot to add to the professionalism.
• Few blunders. I know that's faint praise but a lot of pool streams come off as unprofessional because of obvious,
easily avoided mistakes... pronouncing names wrong, failing to update the score on the screen, etc.
• I like the idea of the shot clock keeping it moving and being able to strategically milk the clock.

The Bad:

• The match ran on too long to keep my interest. And I'm a nut who will watch pool for hours.
The main draw was to see a few of my favorites (Thorsten especially) play. I was a little bored
halfway through and if I didn't have the 60 ball run to look forward to near the end I'd have tuned out.
2.5 hours is just too long. 1.5 is more plausible.

• The girls are pretty but just don't have any use, and they aren't even trusted to do their job.
One spotted a ball before the CB stopped rolling and it almost interfered with the path of the ball.
Lee spotted balls in tricky situations.
I think instead of having 2 girls do one very minor task (and they can't be trusted to do 100% of that task)...
have one girl who comes in just to rack the balls on breaks. And let her sit instead of standing there
looking bored. Or skip the girls entirely.

• I love doubles but I feel there's a lot more competitive tension with 1v1.
Scott vs. Toasti had the most drama even though I already knew the outcome.
I know the mosconi cup format is very successful for them, but I really think the viewer will get more invested
if you have more 1v1 play.

• Nothing terrible but I agree that it'd be nice to instantly know what pockets are available to the shooter,
by having them glow. If it's not too distracting. Maybe even have them light up with the appropriate color of ball.
Then there's absolutely no need for the viewer to waste time wondering who's shooting what where.

The Ugly:

• "Those bonus balls girls work hard." "haha yup, no doubt, spottin' up them balls is hard work."
Wince. Just reinforces the fact that someone just shoehorned some tits into the arena for male viewers.

• Some of the sponsor patches look a little cheap like they were stuck on with safety pins, I noticed it especially
on Lee's shirt. It makes a difference if they're fully sewn on or better yet printed on the shirt.
It's a small thing but having the edges of the patch curling up off the shirts looks a bit like someone wearing
a clip-on tie with one corner sticking out over their collar.

• The white gloves on Lee stood out so much, I couldn't help thinking they looked like Mickey Mouse hands.
I don't mean to knock on Mr. Brett so much it's just he's on the camera a lot.

• The glowing lights seem to use 'faded purple' when someone is on the bonus ball, it's a bit confusing.
They need some way to represent black better. It's just too similar to the purple lights.

• I guess the top talent can handle them, but seeing those rattled balls on tiny pockets... yikes.
Overall though, there weren't a lot of misses that looked like anyone should have made the shot.

• Some players seemed rushed by the clock, and just 5 extra seconds would have helped without
permitting someone to just drag on forever.

• The look on scott's face when he realized beating toasti's score was shaping up to be mission impossible.
 
1) Granted, I only saw out of one eye on this recorded match from last weekend... :eek: (distractions...)

2) I've always been a proponent of bonus ball

3) Johnny had a lot to do with BB

4) Ain't no way Thorsten gets a 60 without a video edit ;)

5) I look forward to Jay, JCIN, Mark, Greg and Mark's thoughts (with much due respect)

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I realize this probably wasnt the flame war starting post you were looking for but my only issues with BB all along were the manner in which the organization has handled itself in several situations and the fact no one seems too concerned about asking if the prize money is actually there. The players and production are top notch.

I was genuine in my post wanting to hear the input from the people I mentioned. Not sure why you got a bit of hair up your ass on this Justin. :cool: :rolleyes:

I've stated on multiple ocassions I want BB to succeed, but not at significant expense of other entities - such as TAR, and the respected others I quoted in my post. That's exactly why I mentioned y'all. Speculating the industry wide impact of BB is an impossible equation, but one we tackle nonetheless.
 
I agree with the above comment that the match was a bit too long. I think 1.5 hrs on average is about right. 2.5 did seem quite long. Plus, the intermission was edited out of the recorded version.
 
To Nathan:

If you change the colors of the balls, please pretty please pay attention to choices that make it difficult for color blind people to follow along. (roughly 8 or 9% of male population). The biggest one is red-green color blind, which makes it impossible to differentiate between red/green/brown, and blue/purple. For example, the absolute worst combination of ball colors would be :red, green, brown.

And if you do consider new sets of balls, maybe something like:
solid red = 1 point
striped blue/yellow = 2 points
solid black = 3 points

This way, a standard rack of balls can more easily be used to simulate the game.

that want to sell ball sets, making it easier to use something else is counter productive.

the have sold the game with the colors they have, changing now would just make it more confusing.
Keep the purple orange and black but make them easier to see
 
Regarding the girls, I fully expect one of the players to get a bonus with one of them:) As I was watching the girls watching the players, I was thinking to myself which of the players the girls would be most interested in. lol. Keep the girls.
 
:-) Nah they are feeding me. Every little attack let's me put up another "ad". They are literally feeding me because all those ad impressions leads to more orders.

Thanks trolls! My daughter appreciates it that you support her fledgling princess dress and tiara habit.

HA! Gotta give ya a greenie for that, JB! You're a man who really knows the score!

Roger
 
Bb

I really liked the BB event. I think it has potential to do great things, looking forward too seeing more.


Get rid of the girls, they served no real purpose to the game.

JJ did a great job commentating and should do it full time when not playing.
 
Love this BB game already. It was very entertaining especially the 60 pts high run by Hohmann. However, I wished they had more activities for these bonus girls instead of just spotting balls and standing still in the corner :(. These girl should be like the cheer leader for their team (if they team win...they should get a little bonus) and let them chat up with the players and do their thing :). Don't understand why they aren't sitting down...it's annoying that the video have them cut off (top of video) when the game is on....get them out of those corners and on have them sit on the player's bench. Got to be tiring to stand like that for 2 hrs plus.
 
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I watched the whole match last night. I've been a little hard on the BB, but after watching a match I can say it's officially not the worst thing i've seen. The production was awesome and the gameplay was more interesting than I originally anticipated.

Some observations:

1) I think, to be fairer to the players, there should be a shot clock at each end of the table, around eye level. 24 seconds seems a hair short if the players have to look up, away from the table to find the clock.

2) The jerseys with player #'s seems to be overdoing just a tad. IMHO, some nice Polo's with the player name and team logo would have been fine.

3) The girls are cool, but for God's sake they need to learn not to spot a ball while thing's are still moving on the table.

4) I really like the players showing some emotion, especially Frost. The karate kick was awesome. Would've loved to see Toasty throwing a fist pump or 2 during that 60-point run; he hit some ridiculous shots to keep that going.
 
Seeing is believe and I can say this..... Looks really good and I really enjoyed Hohmann's run. It was full of drama and kept you in the edge of your seat which is what it is all about.

The one thing that really stands out is the fact that if I walk out of the room I fear that I will miss something good. Not like a 9 ball pattern my 2 year old could do. You know... One player makes a hard two ball and lands on the 3 and the rest is history. With BB every shot can be a swing shot so yeah... I like it. :thumbup2:

If you do leave the room at least when you get back you know exactlly where things are. You know who is up by the marker under their team... You know what color they are on and what pockets are available. Oh and the score is right there to so teh guess work is done.

Can't wait for the the mic ups, crazy lights with smoke and player announcements. I wish you guys the best and hpe you make it. Would like to see it catch on with the public and bangers :smile:
 
How many spectators showed up?? Other then players. Just curious if the casinos are gonna help promote you guys by selling tickets for matches.
 
Might as well throw in my thoughts;

- First off, overall I really enjoyed the production.
- Ball colors are wrong... why not yellow -> blue -> red? so much easier to follow and see.
- Ball girls are not needed. Just have a few different refs (to rotate through) - some which just happen to be good looking woman who really understand the game/rules ... they would be responsible for spotting balls. (ala. UK Snooker)
- Jerseys are fine and do add something, but they could be changed to be more like a soccer/rugby jersey and less like a hockey jersey.
- Shot clock should be a little longer... I think 30 seconds would work fine.
- Commentating was excellent ... keep JJ.
- Matches are a touch long.... would be good if it could be completed within 2 hours including a 5-10 minute intermission.
- Knowing which pockets are for which team is tricky... maybe do a green screen thing or graphics overlayed on a static table shot to really empathize the available pockets.

Overall a great production and I'll be watching again...
 
one really cool off shoot

The one really cool off shoot I hadn't expected was to watch the level of play during the sudden death overtime (I think it is called a shoot out)

It is the one and only time I have ever seen a pro player absolutely bear down 100% offense. Clearly Hohmann's mindset during the shoot out was simply to make his run as long as it possibly could be. Lots of fun to watch them play when they don't have to worry about leaving defensive position for the incoming opponent.

It was like watching a pro practice but with the intensity, focus and concentration of match play. Just free wheeling... lots of fun to watch

I can't think of another pro tournament game that has this component in it.
 
2.5 hour events are just too long, 1 hour 45 mins is the optimal length for a sporting event. look at most events, games, races, etc thats the number-espcially for team events. tennis matches are usually over in less than 2 hours. as well

everything looked nice as i thought it would.
 
Love in !

So are we all in love now ?

Seriously icky sweet thread, lol.

I look forward to watching. I just watched the Canada vs. U.S.A B.B. from last year on youtube this past week. I look forward to comparing.

A lot are saying to install lights on the table (bad idea). Just do the yellow first down line thing like they have in football games or some graphical table layout similar to the base layout in a baseball game with the appropriate colors.

Let your love flow...
 
2.5 hour events are just too long, 1 hour 45 mins is the optimal length for a sporting event. look at most events, games, races, etc thats the number-espcially for team events. tennis matches are usually over in less than 2 hours. as well

everything looked nice as i thought it would.

I think 2 1/2 hours is fine. A large number of sporting events often last at least that long -- football, baseball, basketball, golf, auto racing, best-of-5-sets tennis, etc.

The BB matches are only 8 games to 30 points each. I imagine we will see some matches much shorter than 2 1/2 hours.
 
I think 2 1/2 hours is fine. A large number of sporting events often last at least that long -- football, baseball, basketball, golf, auto racing, best-of-5-sets tennis, etc.

The BB matches are only 8 games to 30 points each. I imagine we will see some matches much shorter than 2 1/2 hours.

I think actually the opposite. In the youtube match, only 2 or so of the 8 matches went to overtime. On the prior matches that weren't uploaded yet, about half or more of the matches went to overtime, I believe. So the uploaded match might have been one of the shorter ones overall, thus far.
 
No Robots

I can say nobody was looking like ROBOTs out there playing, everyone was having a good time even the camraman had to add his comments in :grin-square:. I hope we as a POOL community can get this one right so players can finally get paid for what they do!
 
I think 2 1/2 hours is fine. A large number of sporting events often last at least that long -- football, baseball, basketball, golf, auto racing, best-of-5-sets tennis, etc.

The BB matches are only 8 games to 30 points each. I imagine we will see some matches much shorter than 2 1/2 hours.

This match didn't have commercial breaks. How long will it be with commercial breaks (if they are able to sell it to a sports channel)?
 
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