Larry Chiborak???

[Tony_in_MD]

The difference between golf professionals and pool players is simple.

Golf professionals have standards of play and conduct to maintain to keep the procard. Pool has none of that.

In my opinion (so as to not be accused of libel) Golf professionals understood and supported the development of their association. Most pool players are only interested in what they (as an individual) can get.

They have not learned the lesson "The needs of the many out way the needs of the few"


Spock is the Teacher

I was being factious about Shane....I'm 100% sure Shane doesn't want to be in a leadership position.....that's my logical, humorous input based on "signatures"

Golf owes a dept of gratitude to Arnold Palmer, Gary Player and Jack Nicklaus....if you've studied the history you'll agree with that statement. Arnold knew the key to golf's future was entertaining TV Shows and that's what they did with SHELL's Wonderful World of Golf......and the rest is history.

The players controlled their own business and could concentrate on key business issues that effected them directly from that moment on. 'Their Game was the Teacher'

 

[justadub]

The difference between golf professionals and pool players is simple.

Golf professionals have standards of play and conduct to maintain to keep the procard. Pool has none of that.

In my opinion (so as to not be accused of libel) Golf professionals understood and supported the development of their association. Most pool players are only interested in what they (as an individual) can get.

They have not learned the lesson "The needs of the many out way the needs of the few"


Spock is the Teacher

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Tony_in_MD again"

 

[CJ Wiley]

pool players and golfers are EXACTLY alike, everyone knows that.....

The difference between golf professionals and pool players is simple.

Golf professionals have standards of play and conduct to maintain to keep the procard. Pool has none of that.

In my opinion (so as to not be accused of libel) Golf professionals understood and supported the development of their association. Most pool players are only interested in what they (as an individual) can get.

They have not learned the lesson "The needs of the many out way the needs of the few"


Spock is the Teacher

That's ridiculous, pool players and golfers are EXACTLY alike, everyone knows that.....


PS: how dare you slander pro golfers like that!!!

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I agree the most qualified person should get the job, not the strongest player.


there is one more flaw, who is going to pay this person??, qualified people make $$$ they dont work for free, I dont-do you? nope.

So the flaw is not who, but how do they get paid, JA didnt get any $$$. FYI


And if this person decides to work for free, who will listen to him? and why should they?


its a mess alright....

To begin with:

What qualifications would you want? Would they have to be a Lawyer? Someone with Marketing and PR experience?

You set this up where they get paid directly out of the prize fund! 15% seems fair! that's what most people tip their waiter! Total prize fund is $50,000 BCA US OPEN!, $50,000 Derby! $50,000 Southern! $50,000 Ultimate 10 ball = $200,000 a year gives $30,000 for their time!

The lawyer would do the escrow and legal work! Handle PR, Booking exhibitions, Travel arrangements & etc!

I would go after someone with EXPERIENCE! Janet Lee has a sports agent and they would be the FIRST people I would contact!

The existing tournaments would require you to register as a member with the ABP to attend the event and by membership provide releases to use the players image and likeness in marketing and promotional material and broadcast rights!

The membership fee should be a yearly $15 fee for internet and administrative cost! The whole strength in numbers thing! Get group discounts on hotels YEAR round and other benefits like rental cars & etc. Set up a business network of BILLIARD fans with businesses to BUY from! That way, "WE SUPPORT OUR OWN" and get dental work, Insurance and other goods and services from ONE ANOTHER! I would rather give my money to an AZB member then someone "I DON'T KNOW!"

This is just how I would set it up! A lot can be done with just a little IMAGINATION!!!

KD

 

[PINKLADY]

....If I influence others into a business venture knowing, but not revealing, it's weaknesses and the business fails, as I suspected it would, I Sir, am a weasel.

Now, if I did so without knowing it's weaknesses, then I, Sir am an idiot.

To compromise myself by not doing my due diligence is bad enough, but to compromise others, who may depend on me, is even worse....
J

don't confuse me with the facts

 

[jimmyg]

My plumber, who, by the way is an excellent plumber, is a member of the plumbers union. Now, understand he's a really nice guy with a lot of common sense and can price out a remodel job to the dollar just by looking at it.

His union is one of the largest and successful unions in NY, the members get excellent wages, benefits, healthcare, and retirement, but he's just a member, he votes on issues but he's not a union decision maker. There are a couple of ex-plumbers that hold officer and there are certainly delegate positions, but the plumbers realize that they are not qualified in the most important areas so they engage top flight outside legal counsel, negotiators, PR professionals, and consultants.

The best three plumbers do not run the show, the union realizes that they represent and are responsible for thousands of other plumbers and their families and that are up against the best that management can throw at them, and they are smart enough to realize that they are not sufficiently skilled in the areas that their union requires in order to be successful.

The ABP is a total joke, a self serving, amateur run, make shift organization, apparently run for the personal needs of the select few who are in charge. Aside from accomplishing some advantaged tournament seedings for their members, they have failed to make themselves relevant and effectual with respect to even the simplest and minimum of any "player's organizations" standards, including the simple and important task of having tournament payouts escrowed. They are another embarrassment to anyone wanting pool to emerge from the stone ages. IMO.

J

 

[golubushka]

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[ENGLISH!]

I was being factious about Shane....I'm 100% sure Shane doesn't want to be in a leadership position.....that's my logical, humorous input based on "signatures"

Golf owes a dept of gratitude to Arnold Palmer, Gary Player and Jack Nicklaus....if you've studied the history you'll agree with that statement. Arnold knew the key to golf's future was entertaining TV Shows and that's what they did with SHELL's Wonderful World of Golf......and the rest is history.

The players controlled their own business and could concentrate on key business issues that effected them directly from that moment on. 'Their Game was the Teacher'

CJ,

The statements in bold above are so true, but there were also all those many less famous pros that were part of the 'rank & file'. They needed each other.

The point is that the old golf pros took hold of their own destiny.

They built corporate partnerships & did not look for a 'Nanny' or 'handouts'.

They were grown MEN that took responsibility for their future.

As I said I think you would make a very good 'Commissioner'.

Best,
Rick

 

[ENGLISH!]

The difference between golf professionals and pool players is simple.

Golf professionals have standards of play and conduct to maintain to keep the procard. Pool has none of that.

In my opinion (so as to not be accused of libel) Golf professionals understood and supported the development of their association. Most pool players are only interested in what they (as an individual) can get.

They have not learned the lesson "The needs of the many out way the needs of the few"


Spock is the Teacher

'...or the one.'

Hey Tony,

We can agree on something.

Rick

 

[The Saw]

My plumber, who, by the way is an excellent plumber, is a member of the plumbers union. Now, understand he's a really nice guy with a lot of common sense and can price out a remodel job to the dollar just by looking at it.

His union is one of the largest and successful unions in NY, the members get excellent wages, benefits, healthcare, and retirement, but he's just a member, he votes on issues but he's not a union decision maker. There are a couple of ex-plumbers that hold officer and there are certainly delegate positions, but the plumbers realize that they are not qualified in the most important areas so they engage top flight outside legal counsel, negotiators, PR professionals, and consultants.

The best three plumbers do not run the show, the union realizes that they represent and are responsible for thousands of other plumbers and their families and that are up against the best that management can throw at them, and they are smart enough to realize that they are not sufficiently skilled in the areas that their union requires in order to be successful.

The ABP is a total joke, a self serving, amateur run, make shift organization, apparently run for the personal needs of the select few who are in charge. Aside from accomplishing some advantaged tournament seedings for their members, they have failed to make themselves relevant and effectual with respect to even the simplest and minimum of any "player's organizations" standards, including the simple and important task of having tournament payouts escrowed. They are another embarrassment to anyone wanting pool to emerge from the stone ages. IMO.

J

They are their own worst enemy, for sure.....

 

[watchez]

I agree the most qualified person should get the job, not the strongest player.


there is one more flaw, who is going to pay this person??, qualified people make $$$ they dont work for free, I dont-do you? nope.

So the flaw is not who, but how do they get paid, JA didnt get any $$$. FYI


And if this person decides to work for free, who will listen to him? and why should they?


its a mess alright....

It would take a complex business plan - membership fees. Agreements with promoters. And it would be a lot on the if/come. Someone with the skill level would step up. There are people that will do things not because it will make them rich.

Ill thought press releases and ficticious member appointments won't do it.

 

[Fatboy]

It would take a complex business plan - membership fees. Agreements with promoters. And it would be a lot on the if/come. Someone with the skill level would step up. There are people that will do things not because it will make them rich.

Ill thought press releases and ficticious member appointments won't do it.

Who has time? And the credibility?

I have the skills to do it, but no time and no credibility. Respect yes, but credibility to influence i doubt it.

In America pool is tricky right now, and will be for a long time. IMO

It all goes back to participation, Facebook and video games have the kids, Tribal casino's have the gamblers, and the stake horses(dope dealers) are gone-so is action. The life long players are dieing off faster than they are being replaced, we have a negative population growth. Perhaps the billiard education thing Samm Deip is heading up for the kids will help but by the time that kicks in me and you(steve) we will be old farts-lol, were getting close now. scary.

I think pool is like 8 track tapes, they have a dedicated following, but the rest of us have MP3 files on our phones for music. There just inst the interest in pool like there was.

Last night(dont ask why-im that board) I watched Beverly hills Cop, i aint seen it since the 80's. in it there was a scene in a bar where a guy bets another guy $100 if he can 2 rail the 8 ball in, was a good shot, couldnt see who hit the ball(it wasnt the actor holding the cue)they edited out the actual player that shot it.

back to my point, that movie was in 84, guy was drunk made a $100 prop bet on a pool table in a bar-thats about $300 in todays $$$. my question is if you were making a movie would you even put that scene in the movie? pool is fading fast. in 84 the year it was filmed before COM it was a cool scene, pool was more prevalent than today. So it made sense.


I think were trying to turn lemons into lemon-aid and are out of sugar. Should we give up? never!!!! but looking for a ambassador to come save the day is a bit premature thats all.

i hope CJ finds his idea, or you do, or me-i give it lots of thought, i aint giving up, just sayin its tough action, but its worth fighting for if its worth having.:smile:

respectfully
eric:smile: