Did anyone hear Jayson Commenting about doing deals with SVB?

I agree its not good for the fans or the game. But when players split, its practically the norm. Not much can be done about it, so factor that in if you enjoy Calcutta betting. Even if it were a winner take all format, many players would still be splitting the cash privately. Most guys are happy enough making the finals, guaranteeing a piece of 1st place, and having their night end a little earlier. Sometimes its only a couple of hundred difference anyway, not worth the extra stress. I suppose a true champion would feel differently, and rightfully so. Me, I'm just another player.
 
voiceofreason said:
What I absolutely detest though is players openly agreeing to split the winnings of a final and then, if applicable, playing a frame for the ranking points (if applicable). I put an absolute stop to this in my own events when I ran them.
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Just curious, why would that bug you so much? Ranking points are useful and worth playing for right?
That's an incentive to try to win. So the finals still has something riding on it besides bragging rights.

Also how do you put a stop to it? Once you pay them, it's their money to do with as they please.
What are you gonna do, follow them out into the parking lot and watch their hands closely?
 
Players who play in The Challenge of Champions are required to sign a contract to the effect that they will adhere to the winner takes all prize format. So you will not see any arrangements being discussed on site.
But in private.......................?

Perish the thought but what if someone got the cash and refused to honor a predetermined agreement, would the aggrieved player sue him? and what might be the verdict?
 
CreeDo said:
Just curious, why would that bug you so much? Ranking points are useful and worth playing for right?
That's an incentive to try to win. So the finals still has something riding on it besides bragging rights.

Also how do you put a stop to it? Once you pay them, it's their money to do with as they please.
What are you gonna do, follow them out into the parking lot and watch their hands closely?
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Finally somebody makes since. Its there money to do with what they want. So now SVB isn't a champion player because he split the tourny. Well here's some reality it happens all the time even with the beloved players you think would never do it. We all talk about how hard it is for pro's to survive so why wouldn't they do what they had to in order to insure themselves the most money possible. You may not like it but your not the one trying to survive. And as far as shane having a problem at the casino what he does with his money is none of our business. If he isn't asking to bite you for 20 then he must be just fine.
 
It just shows a lack of class to discuss matters of discretion in public.

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Not sure why he would bring up his money match with MD. Seems like usually players are very quiet about their money matches except for something from years ago.
 
I watched the end of this match and it was earl 11 shane 12 and earl broke with no shot on the one and sold out trying to play safe. Shane got up and promptly ran the set out. final 15-11.

I know people want to make a big deal about savors, but it didnt appear to me that shane was trying any bit less to win. The savors are just the state of affairs with professional pool in the USA where players cannot afford to take the chance that they might get 3rd when it doesnt cover the cost of expenses and leaves enough to feed them and house them til their next tourny. I dont hold doing deals against them, unless its dumping, which this is far from that.
 
uwate said:
I watched the end of this match and it was earl 11 shane 12 and earl broke with no shot on the one and sold out trying to play safe. Shane got up and promptly ran the set out. final 15-11.

I know people want to make a big deal about savors, but it didnt appear to me that shane was trying any bit less to win. The savors are just the state of affairs with professional pool in the USA where players cannot afford to take the chance that they might get 3rd when it doesnt cover the cost of expenses and leaves enough to feed them and house them til their next tourny. I dont hold doing deals against them, unless its dumping, which this is far from that.
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was there a calcutta at this event? if so that makes a huge diffrence
 
doesn't effect calcutta.

You must remember that when there is a saver both players are trying their best to win so the Calcutta doesn't come in to play. Just the looser is gonna get a little bit more winnings. I would do this with anyone that I just don't hate.
 
fasted71465 said:
You must remember that when there is a saver both players are trying their best to win so the Calcutta doesn't come in to play. Just the looser is gonna get a little bit more winnings. I would do this with anyone that I just don't hate.
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In the tourneys with calcuttas that I'm a part of, the calcutta money has absolute zero to do with savers/splits etc. The splits and savers are from tourney prize money, not calcutta money.
 
Savers are a fact of life. Nonetheless, I think they should stay under the radar. Further, anyone who thinks players try as hard when less or no money is on the line is kidding themselves. If I have a saver with my friend in which we'll split the total moneys we win in a tournament, if we should happen to meet in the semis, why wouldn't I dump if I consider my friend a stronger player than I am?

Savers create situations that are best avoided and the less said about them the better.
 
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