Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN

I don't practice Virginia Law. I am licensed in Illinois. The money was deposited in my Trust Account to be released under certain conditions.

Just Saying. :rolleyes:

And actually, I am going to quit saying and let this thread devolve into whatever it wants to.

GREAT idea Dennis! This place has more drama than a pool hall on league night!
 
GREAT idea Dennis! This place has more drama than a pool hall on league night!

This place reminds me of this sometimes! :grin-square:
 

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Think how much easier this would have been if the process had been communicated from the git-go. No gnashing of teeth by players, fans and sponsors.

Many thanks to those who worked so hard to make this work...but it didn't need to be so hard.

Good post and I agree. Johnnyt
 
256 entry double elimination tournament would consist of 511 matches. 511 matches divided by 7 days equals 73 matches per day. At the rate of 3 hours allotted per match, that is 219 hours of pool per day. From 9AM to 9PM is 12 hours. 219 hours divided by 12 hours of tournament time per day means you would need:

19 tables running 4 matches per day (12 hours) for 7 days.

AMIRITE??? :D

Poolnut, you have the makings of a good tournament director! :smile:
You must be able to do the math, based on the number of entries, how many tables, how many days you have and how long are the matches. I have directed the Open when there were 256 players and we had 16 tables and seven days to run it in. PLUS, on the seventh day we had to get down to the final four.

Here's how that looks on paper. 256 times two -2 equals 510 matches that must be played (not 511 because it is not true double elimination in the finals). So you have six days to play 507 matches, that's 84 or 85 matches per day. BUT, you must play more matches the first few days to accommodate all the 'extra' rounds when the field gets short. We would play six rounds a day for the first four days. That's 96 matches per day! At two hours per round, we would have the day matches at 11 AM, 1 PM and 3 PM. A dinner break and then the evening matches at 7, 9 and 11. It looks good on paper but we always fell behind in the day time and had a match or two that went into the dinner break (5 to 7). At night we were doing good if the last match got started before Midnite and ended by 2 AM. I had a lot of 2:30 and 3 AM closings. But after four days of this we had only only 123 matches left to play the next two days. Somehow we made it work!

You could not do this on 12 tables, which is what they had this year. I think Barry anticipated a smaller turn-out and he was right.
 
So Barry said to me, "you need to transfer that money into our account to pay the players. You can't have them paid with a check signed by Johnny Archer and Art Wiggins. Everyone will think they are paying with their money."

I said, "That's crazy. Who would think Johnny would take the money out of his pocket to pay. Just let everyone know this is the money that was escrowed in my account and that I transferred down to a joint account of Johnny and Art."

I guess Barry was right.

As I said on another thread, the initial $50,000.00 and most of the entry fees ended up in my account in Chicago to the tune of about. $120,000.00. Some of the money that Barry was going to pay to make up the $100 shortage on all of the early bird specials, was put together by Barry and Shannon and paid to the early outs in cash. We kept an eye on the payouts, made sure the early payouts were done, and then made sure there was enough of our escrowed money to pay the rest of the field. The money was transferred down to a new account opened by Johnny and his business partner, Art Wiggins to handle the payment. It was all entry fee money and added money by Barry.

Great Job by Barry and Shannon setting up the framework to make sure the money was there. Great Job by Johnny and Art keeping an eye on the numbers and making trips to the bank, all while Johnny was going deep into the tournament. :thumbup:

Very generous of you Dennis to give accolades all around. The players owe you and ART WIGGINS a big thank you for protecting their interests here. If Barry had his way, the top finishers would be on a payment plan again. You and I both know that Dennis! Thanks for your help. :wink:
 
The word "escrow" is being thrown around very loosely, but it doesn't appear that too many actually understand it's meaning and legal requirements. In order for it to be a legal "escrow" it would have had to conform to Virginia "escrow" law; there would have to had been a valid escrow agreement, agent, and account.

Huey, Louie, or Dewey would not have been able to jump in at the last moment and sign "checks". Amateur Hour at the possible expense of the players.

Just sayin' for the record.

J

Fortunately for all concerned, Art Wiggins signature was required on that account! The truth will set you free!
 
With all due respect to everyone, everywhere . . .

Are any of the principals involved under any obligation to explain to any of us here on az , the mechanics of how prize money was set aside and distributed? I think not.

To me it seems odd that people who aren't directly involved in the US Open either by competing in it, or working the event, are asking to know what money was where and when and who got to touch it and etcetera, and etcetera.

I am of the humble opinion that as long as the players got paid the correct amount they won, then that is pretty much all we need to know.

I think these guys went way above and beyond in sharing with us so much of the payment specifics.

Given the track record of this event in recent years, I think it's fair game to ask if things went okay this time but once we're told that all is well, then maybe we should just be happy for the good result and not pry into things that really are none of our business.

Again, just my opinion.

best,
brian kc
 
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First... Thank you for this POST...

Second WTF is the "issue" that "only if we knew.. blah blah blah.." sounds like some made up bunch of crap to me...

I say it is BS and will continue to call BS ... some just love to stir the sh*t pot... Love it... live in it.. and frankly smell like it!

Thanks to everyone who got the job done... I look forward to next year... hope to see YOU there :thumbup:

You don't have a clue! If Barry could have got his hands on that money (and he tried damn hard!), it would have looked just like last year for the top finishers! If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, just maybe it is a duck! ;)
 
And thank you, Dennis, for being a credible voice of reason. We need to snip these rumors and create concise communication.....this is a great "sample example". Aloha

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Dennis and Art deserve all the accolades here.
 
Think how much easier this would have been if the process had been communicated from the git-go. No gnashing of teeth by players, fans and sponsors.

Many thanks to those who worked so hard to make this work...but it didn't need to be so hard.

Yes it did! :rolleyes:
 
With all due respect to everyone, everywhere . . .

Are any of the principals involved under any obligation to explain to any of us here on az , the mechanics of how prize money was set aside and distributed? I think not.

To me it seems odd that people who aren't directly involved in the US Open either by competing in it, or working the event, are asking to know what money was where and when and who got to touch it and etcetera, and etcetera.

I am of the humble opinion that as long as the players got paid the correct amount they won, then that is pretty much all we need to know.

I think these guys went way above and beyond in sharing with us so much of the payment specifics.

Given the track record of this event in recent years, I think it's fair game to ask if things went okay this time but once we're told that all is well, then maybe we should just be happy for the good result.

Again, just my opinion.

best,
brian kc

Exactly, I worked at the event this year & I sure wasn't questioning every little thing. The players were paid what they were supposed to be paid & that's all that matters but instead of being satisfied with that you have people on here with all the "what ifs" which don't really matter since none of them happened.

It doesn't matter why or how it happened, what matters is the end result which is the players were paid when they were supposed to be paid. I understand there is going to be scrutiny of the event until it's run the way it was this year every year but when nothing bad happens why do people feel the need to try to start rumors & play the what if game?
 
Exactly, I worked at the event this year & I sure wasn't questioning every little thing. The players were paid what they were supposed to be paid & that's all that matters but instead of being satisfied with that you have people on here with all the "what ifs" which don't really matter since none of them happened.

It doesn't matter why or how it happened, what matters is the end result which is the players were paid when they were supposed to be paid. I understand there is going to be scrutiny of the event until it's run the way it was this year every year but when nothing bad happens why do people feel the need to try to start rumors & play the what if game?

Roberta, with all due respect to you, there are rumors and there is reality. There is a good reason these rumors got started. You can chose to bury your head in the sand, but I chose not to.
 
Roberta, with all due respect to you, there are rumors and there is reality. There is a good reason these rumors got started. You can chose to bury your head in the sand, but I chose not to.

With all due respect to you as well Jay, I'm not burying my head in the sand. I know I don't know as much as you do about everything that's happened in the past but I do know some of it. I'm just not going to believe rumors unless I know for a fact they're true. If there are things that happened that need to be known then it's for those who are involved to tell. So far the ones involved with the escrowed money have said all went as it was supposed to & all were paid the amounts due. I just don't really see the point of playing what if & crucifying someone for things that didn't happen.
 
You don't have a clue! If Barry could have got his hands on that money (and he tried damn hard!), it would have looked just like last year for the top finishers! If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, just maybe it is a duck! ;)

So since I'm not the first to spill the beans, I'll confirm as fact, what Jay has said. And if anyone here thinks Johnny didn't fight for the players, they're wrong. Johnny was even THREATENED by Barry. Really disgusting. Johnny went to the mat for the players. If the players only knew that Barry tried again to screw them and to what lengths he went to do that, the US open would be finished.
 
If checks bounced the players would have known as soon as they deposited them. My bank always checks for funds before the transaction. It can take upwards if 3 minutes. 155 posts on speculation?

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So since I'm not the first to spill the beans, I'll confirm as fact, what Jay has said. And if anyone here thinks Johnny didn't fight for the players, they're wrong. Johnny was even THREATENED by Barry. Really disgusting. Johnny went to the mat for the players. If the players only knew that Barry tried again to screw them and to what lengths he went to do that, the US open would be finished.

So then you're saying something happened between Johnny & Barry. Apparently neither of them felt the need to make it public so, with all due respect, why is someone not involved doing so?
 
So then you're saying something happened between Johnny & Barry. Apparently neither of them felt the need to make it public so, with all due respect, why is someone not involved doing so?

Go back and read my original comment in this thread, 2 or 3 days ago. I had called on Johnny to make public the truth of what happened. I felt it was going to be in his best interest because the incident was going to get out eventually and he was going to appear foolish at that time. I also said it wasn't my place to give the details. I left it alone for quite some time. Then, jay confirmed it. There was a significant incident at the US open. Johnny should share the truth of what happened.
 
Go back and read my original comment in this thread, 2 or 3 days ago. I had called on Johnny to make public the truth of what happened. I felt it was going to be in his best interest because the incident was going to get out eventually and he was going to appear foolish at that time. I also said it wasn't my place to give the details. I left it alone for quite some time. Then, jay confirmed it. There was a significant incident at the US open. Johnny should share the truth of what happened.

I remember that comment & I'm pretty sure I know what you're referring to but again, it's between them & if neither of them feels the need to make it public then nobody else should be either. If Johnny wanted anyone to know what had happened then he would have made it public & could have in this very thread. But anyway, we've both stated how we feel and can respectfully disagree. :smile:
 
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So then you're saying something happened between Johnny & Barry. Apparently neither of them felt the need to make it public so, with all due respect, why is someone not involved doing so?

I cannot speak for anyone else, but transparency is a good and necessary thing, it ensures that people are conducting themselves and their dealings honestly and properly. When one is involved in a high profile business in a public venue he/she automatically relinquishes many of his expectations of privacy. That is just the way it is and when someone tries to prevent the truth from being discovered, it raises many an antenna.

And it just isn't a valid argument that because others are not directly involved in an incident that the incident shouldn't be made public, if that were true there would be no newspapers, books, documentaries, movies, news programs, or even discussions.....etc. If someone doesn't want the exposure, then being in the public eye may not be in their best interests, especially if they're embarrassed by their own behavior.

Respectfully.

J
 
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