Anyone else want to see the mosconi cup move to 10-ball?
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True, and that's not an easy question to answer.
As discussed, a large part of the luck in the game is lucky safes and hooks. 2 foul addresses this to a degree, but it also helps someone who hooks themselves by a bad shot... that said, part of the benefit of 2 foul is that it encourages players to take on harder more interesting shots that may hook them, knowing the penalty for a bad roll won't be as severe.
Finding a perfect solution is unclear.
So are you guys really saying just because luck comes into play in all sports,
and the fans love it when someone gets lucky because it's exciting, this shouldn't be looked at when thinking of Pools future.
We shouldn't worry about what the fans find exciting, because we'll never have the masses of fans that those sports do, in pool? I for one find that to be a very negative
way to view things. I think we need to do all we can to make our sport Pool exciting and interesting while we are in the process of rebuilding the sport and getting a fan base back.
I think that two foul is the way to go, and will help this process. As it puts more elements
back into the game. Some rules that people are trying to promote that take things like two way shots out of the game, are not healthy for pool in my opinion.
I also like the 9-ball on the spot and a very small break box in the middle as in this years Mosconi Cup. As it takes the wired ball on the break out, and makes it less likely
to come down to a breaking contest.
and the fans love it when someone gets lucky because it's exciting, this shouldn't be looked at when thinking of Pools future.
We shouldn't worry about what the fans find exciting, because we'll never have the masses of fans that those sports do, in pool? I for one find that to be a very negative
way to view things. I think we need to do all we can to make our sport Pool exciting and interesting while we are in the process of rebuilding the sport and getting a fan base back.
I think that two foul is the way to go, and will help this process. As it puts more elements
back into the game. Some rules that people are trying to promote that take things like two way shots out of the game, are not healthy for pool in my opinion.
I also like the 9-ball on the spot and a very small break box in the middle as in this years Mosconi Cup. As it takes the wired ball on the break out, and makes it less likely
to come down to a breaking contest.
Instead of playing two foul/pushout rules, just play the variation of it I already mentioned.
The incoming player always has the option of pushing out. UNLESS the player before called a safety.
No need to call balls. Slop counts. That way when it happens once every 3 matches, you'll get tons of cheers from the 5 fans watching.
The incoming player always has the option of pushing out. UNLESS the player before called a safety.
No need to call balls. Slop counts. That way when it happens once every 3 matches, you'll get tons of cheers from the 5 fans watching.
To the OP, I'd vote to keep it as Barry Hearns wants. I saw nothing wrong with this year's Mosconi Cup other than the US didn't win. It was exciting, nerve wracking, and dramatic. If every event could be this exciting, maybe we'd get more public interest.
Freddie <~~~ wonders who all these purists are
Freddie <~~~ wonders who all these purists are
Mentioning the Alamo in the same sentence with professional pool is considered blasphemy in these parts!!! :grin:
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If you go back just a couple more years, Troy Frank won one of the DCC 9 ball events in '00 or '01. He beat Efren in the finals by shitting in a 9 ball on the hill. Final score 7-4. If he had to spot that ball, it would have been 6-5 with Efren of 2000 breaking...nobody has to like that.
Cinderella stories are uncommon, but not unheard of. No disrespect intended, but who the f is Troy Frank and what else has he won?
Still, that's the only situation I can think of where a tournament was decided directly by luck. I think the M cup is fine the way it is. I don't even watch 9 ball anymore, but I watch the cup every year, no matter how badly it hurts.
This is obvious misdirection, not that anyone took it seriously.
A lucky miss safety comes into play under BOTH sets of rules.
So what we're comparing is not "rare slopped ball vs. common lucky safe".
What we're comparing is "rare slopped ball" vs. "rare slopped kick".
How often does a kicking player make the ball somewhere other than the obvious pocket?
Most kicks are controlled these days with the goal of leaving distance and possibly hooking the guy.
They don't fram it hard enough to find 3 different holes.
Something I've noticed (doesn't definitively prove anything) is that it's not just the cream
that rises to the top, but that certain cream wins several years in a row.
US Open, featuring slop: Shane wins 2 in a row. The winner before him? 2 in a row.
The winner before that? 2 in a row. And speaking of mika, his 2 dominant years featured a lot of other 9 ball wins.
To me that suggests that slop is not necessarily rearranging the order of the top 5 favorites.
It would be pretty lucky for all these guys to get consecutive titles if slop really
decided which flavor of cream wins that year.
It seems to me that some years, certain players just want it more and find a way to win.
You're saying if we changed the mosconi cup, we'd drop to 5 fans?
Or the existing cup has only 5 fans? I think it does a little better than that.
Your pushout idea would be more fair than kick'n'hope but would probably not improve viewership.
Very nice post. After all is said and done, what the pro pool players want to play doesn't matter a lick.
Last January, the Bonus Ball proprietors reminded us seemingly every day that Bonus Ball was the game the pros wanted to play, as if that were, somehow, a selling point.
As they've learned the hard way at the WPBL, what matters is what the fans wish to watch .... unless, of course, pro pool players are happy to toil in great obscurity.
I was making a joke about the state of pool here in America. In the sense that keeping the luck factor in pool so a person who knows nothing about pool can get excited when someone shits a ball in the wrong pocket.
My idea is a great one, but yeah, it's mostly geared towards making the game more fair professionals. Since it will decrease the luck factor without increasing the length of the races, which is one of the things that can't happen if we ever expect pool to be on TV.
Either you can't understand what you read or you don't play well enough to understand this game. No big deal. You could take some lessons and play more. I suggest Joe Tucker. Joe is very knowledgeable and could probably give lessons to many instructors.
In all seriousness, If the rule is "call nothing", the shooter kicks at balls with that rule in mind. He would play kick shots differently.
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Randy, No doubt, that is more fair. Those are Grady's rules. Grady's rules did not, and do not sell. Fair does not necessarily mean fun.
Agreed the wheel is till round
Didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me if someone already suggested this, but ... as much as I'd like to see the Mosconi Cup be either straight pool or 1 hole "LOL",
In the interest of primarily being a TV production, then, to me it's a "no brainer" to make it 8 ball. After all, that's what most EVERY average pool player plays, not 9 ball or 10 ball.
Earl? is that you? lol