Daz B&R 25-22
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Tar 38
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According to Pool-Trax, Orcollo had 12 B&R's out of 30 breaks (40%) -- 2 three-packs and 6 singles.
Appleton had 6 B&R's out of 22 breaks (27%) -- 1 two-pack and 4 singles.
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Daz and Dennis both put themselves in a coma. I cut the ref/timekeeper from this match to save money because TAR is struggling so instead of cutting money to the players I cut staff by doing away with the shot clock and one camera operator.
Both guys said they dont need a shot clock anyway they play fast. This is not the case and both of them took forever. Its not their fault its mine. Most of our previous 8 ball matches were over in around 3-4 hours with a clock. Last night took a little over six. I believe if both guys were under a 40 second clock they would of played better. Without a clock they had time to get in their own head rack after rack which I believe is the reason we saw such weird things in the end of the match. At least those who actually watched it.
If I do any more matches it will be with a shot clock or I wont do them.
Justin, don't sweat it too hard brother. You are still providing us with amazing matches, with world champions, in crystal clear HD. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that we're very grateful.
Thanks I appreciate it.
Watching guys agonize over decisions endlessly tilts the shit out of me though. It was a vey weird set overall and the way Darren played reminded me of his match with Bartram. He just looked lost at the end. I think thats because he was just worn out from focusing so hard for so long. A clock kind of makes you turn the page and get on with it even when you screw up.
I hear ya. Well at least you know now for the future matches.
This should be a lesson to others who go into business. As I tell my staff (and sometimes myself). "You got problems. Don't dance around the issue....own it". People then respect and understand that you have their best interests at heart. Plain talk. No BS.
JCIN has problems with his streaming provider and it can't be fixed quickly. So what does he do:
In a effort to control costs he cuts back on staff and we lose a camera and time clock operator. It doesn't work as planned and what does he do? Owns it. Simple everyone understands the reasoning and we know the cause and see the effect. Larger businesses could take lessons from this guy.
TAR can only put great players together and sometimes we get lighting in a bottle (Alex & SVB 1 or DH & JS) and sometimes it's fizz. Next Mosconi cup Justin should hand out TAR badges to the camera crew and we can watch the Euro's crap the bed.
My only disappointment was that I couldn't make my schedule work to come down and see it in person. Based on the funny Voodoo going on last night my brother could have used an EXTRA large bottle of Makers to regulate his dosage.
JCIN has problems with his streaming provider and it can't be fixed quickly. So what does he do:
- Communicates with his customers
- Stops the match
- Fixs the problem
- Ensures it's going well
- Restarts the match
- Communicates again and confirms the stream is good.
In a effort to control costs he cuts back on staff and we lose a camera and time clock operator. It doesn't work as planned and what does he do? Owns it. Simple everyone understands the reasoning and we know the cause and see the effect. Larger businesses could take lessons from this guy.
TAR can only put great players together and sometimes we get lighting in a bottle (Alex & SVB 1 or DH & JS) and sometimes it's fizz. Next Mosconi cup Justin should hand out TAR badges to the camera crew and we can watch the Euro's crap the bed.
My only disappointment was that I couldn't make my schedule work to come down and see it in person. Based on the funny Voodoo going on last night my brother could have used an EXTRA large bottle of Makers to regulate his dosage.
I think he got pressured up. He likely felt that he was "supposed" to win the 8-ball due to his past and knowledge of the game.
He showed last night that he does indeed have a vast amount more knowledge of how to play 8-ball then Dennis but he got way outbroke by Dennis and Dennis despite playing some very odd patterns and having dismal strategy made some insane shots and outs at critical points in the match when it looked like Darren might be getting some momentum. Dennis made some sick banks on the 8, a crazy 2 rail kick, some really brutal runs with tough shot after tough shot with little thought towards shape and still managed to pot his way out of trouble. I don't blame Darren for being a little dazed at the end of the night having sat in his chair and watched that show.
One thing I think both of these guys showed is that SVB as an overall 8-ball player is in a league of his own (unless maybe you go to Asia). SVB knows how to play 8-ball at a knowledge level that rivals Darren but he would outbreak Darren easily and put packages out that Darren would have no way to counter. Dennis loses a bit on the break but in terms of 8-ball knowledge he proved last night he simply does not have it. Dennis runs out open racks of 8-ball as well as can be expected, when the table gets tight and clustered as can happen in 8-ball he showed serious weakness in his shot selection and patterns. Alex is a 8-ball knowledge beast and IMO as far as "after the break" play goes might be the best 8-ball player in the world but he simply would not be able to break good enough to keep up with SVB.
It is becoming more and more apparent how crucial it is to practice the break like SVB does and master it. Darren would have won last night with ease if he had been able to break better, he gave up the table too many times and let Dennis make his crazy outs and stop Darren's momentum.
The break in pool is becoming akin to the serve in tennis, it is a crucial requirement for a world class professional. Once upon a time a weaker breaker could win and get through with other weapons, Reyes showed that, Varner never had a sledgehammer break, but the new age of pool that is appearing it showing that the guys like SVB, Ko, and other huge breakers are starting to pull away from anyone who does not have a world class break and they simply cannot be beat in these longer sessions by guys who cannot break.
I found last nights match very interesting, so many things you could take from it given the very different styles and abilities of two world class shooters who both have very different and very apparent weaknesses in that particular game, thanks for putting it on Justin.
You can always go to your local bar if you want to see people play bad 8 ball. The strategy is mostly in planning the run and position for the run if the table is open. Even if it's not, the pros have such good control of the cueball that they can make a tough table look easy.
Purchased all 3 Nights... Thank you ... again usual TAR standards... on the time line thing... I believe the other 8 ball matches were race to 15 (Tar 29 DO vs SVB all around comes to mind). So maybe TAR can still do with out the clock and go back to 15 or 21... both of which would have provided a lot of pool and still saved the expense. Just a thought....
I believe some of the time delta was the "take what you make" rule mod. Playing standard rules would have sped up the match. I'm not a big fan of rule modifications except maybe no jump cues. This forced guys to play strange choices because they would have to take the wrong set of balls because of the randomness of the break. Long sets do not need further rule changes. The better playing player will win.
8 ball is a run out game. Bunting and grinding is a tactic of last resort. this isn't a couple of APA 7's. If the layout is there they will take on the run out. Take what you make as a artificial gaffe because people think that pros need to play tougher rules. World standardized rules and this match would have been done in two hours less. Now you don't need a shot clock.
8 ball is a run out game. Bunting and grinding is a tactic of last resort. this isn't a couple of APA 7's. If the layout is there they will take on the run out. Take what you make as a artificial gaffe because people think that pros need to play tougher rules. World standardized rules and this match would have been done in two hours less. Now you don't need a shot clock.
The changing of the rules was very confusing, for us and the players.
Part Apa part Bca, I still don't understand why it was a foul when Orcollo hit a stripe into a solid and made it after an Appleton dry break.
But a shot clock still would have helped.
Part Apa part Bca, I still don't understand why it was a foul when Orcollo hit a stripe into a solid and made it after an Appleton dry break.
But a shot clock still would have helped.
No rule change was more insane then 3 fouls in a row is a loss though. That has "no place" in 8-ball. If someone misses a ball deep in their run such as their last ball or the 8-ball that rule could lead to completely screwy situations where the opponent could get a foul off of a safe and then play bunt safeties with their ball in hand on a 8-ball that is virtually unhittable.
3 fouls is a loss works in rotation pool because both players are shooting the same ball and it forces that ball to be moved and shifted on each safety, you cannot do 3 fouls is a loss in 8-ball, it is a rotation pool rule and cannot be brought over from rotation games.
Take what you make is a weird rule and it causes forced action and a reduction in strategy because it removes choice from the player. It takes 8-ball and moves it more towards the forced path of rotation (although not to the same degree) where there is no choice and players simply shoot the next ball in order. Often times the choice of which ball to shoot after the break was obvious because there was often only one ball to shoot of the suit that was made. Giving the player the option to shoot either suit after the break adds to the strategy because it gives the player more options on how to play the out.
I am actually good with a shot clock in 8-ball. 1 minute after the break shot, 30 seconds on other shots, and one 30 second extension per a game is probably a good thing. Even snooker has a shot clock, although they do a great job of keeping it behind the scenes and not being so obnoxious as they tend to be in pool with warning beeps and ticking down BS.
