Lou wants more

Lol - I bought 2 Rugged cases and they are unreal when it comes to quality.

When he gets back to his shop I have a project for him :)

I was thinking the same thing. I kind of want to learn one pocket now. I already have a JB case on order too.

This whole thing has been fun for someone on the outside like me.
 
Are you a banned member? I think we know you.

In any event even with all those deficiencies I am within three games of beating the seasoned one hole player. Imagine the trouble he is in if I fix them between now and 4pm?

Stranger things have happened.

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Go get him, John! :thumbup:
 
I've never met you and have nothing against you but after watching you on the stream you are not a good enough player to be gambling that high unless you are extremely wealthy and $10.000 dollars isn't serious cash for you.

Not trying to make you feel bad, just stating the obvious.

No offense taken. However you are not the judge of who should be playing for what amount.





Pool gambling is no different than poker, Al....
...you don't need a good hand, just a winning hand.



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Spotting is intentionally giving up games, not what happened there. In 14 games, what was each player's high run?

No response.. what a surprise. I'll answer it.. I think Lou's high run was 7, dogging the 8th, and JB's was somewhere around 5.

I dogged a lot of shots because of stroke errors but I was aimed right.

CTE pulled my ass out of the fire in manyvofcthe games especially with crucial tough banks at the end of the game.

Uhh, how do you know if you're "aimed right" if you can't even hit the pocket opening? For somebody that claimed to be a road player, this was a humiliating performance. I've played with strong local players that run 8 and out like it's a joke. Heck, I'm borderline pro if that's the performance needed.

If you've gotten two balls better every year for the past 5 years, SJD had you pegged correctly at an APA 2 back then. I was really hoping to watch a better performance, but was ultimately disappointed. Granted, it's been close, so that's made it more enjoyable, but Lou's moving hasn't been that great and your shooting hasn't been that great. If those moves were coached, then you can come to PDX and hand over the rest of whatever you brought.

More than Wilson has ever done for this forum. If he did his job properly then this match we would not have ever been made.

He tried, but the ban was lifted.
 
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I didn't have him removed before the match started. He put a chair directly in line with me and set up a camera. I let him get to me and made the decision that he had not earned the right to be present at my match.

I was being calmed by the guy I have been taking lessons from. He would say the same things any corner man would say. Like get this money John, work it out John, don't leave nothing John..... Nothing prevents me from having a corner man and he will be there today.

If he was telling me what to shoot it didn't work too well because Lou won two games AFTER he got there. No matter what I still have to be the one to shoot and I came with some great shots to stay in this match.

As for Mike's presence, we got into a little barking mid match after I nailed a CTE aimed bank and said that this is why we are here. I just let myself be bothered by him but I survived to fight another day.

It is a race to three now. As Lou already knows I can win a short race against a better player. So we will see what happens.

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John,

I was sweating your match from the airport in louisville and will try and attend later today after work. You wear your heart on your shirt and it shows. From the victory dance after winning the 3rd rack to the final bank shot last night to close out the 14th game, you kept me watching at the edge of my seat. I can't wait to see the rest of the match live later today after work. Bear down and take the cheese. It is not easy playing a more experienced and accomplished player for large sums of cash(in the pool world). I am a fan and hope all is well despite any outcome. Drinks are on me after the event.

-Jonathan Woo
 
No response.. what a surprise. I'll answer it.. I think Lou's high run was 7, dogging the 8th, and JB's was somewhere around 5.



Uhh, how do you know if you're "aimed right" if you can't even hit the pocket opening? For somebody that claimed to be a road player, this was a humiliating performance. I've played with strong local players that run 8 and out like it's a joke. Heck, I'm borderline pro if that's the performance needed.

If you've gotten two balls better every year for the past 5 years, SJD had you pegged correctly at an APA 2 back then. I was really hoping to watch a better performance, but was ultimately disappointed. Granted, it's been close, so that's made it more enjoyable, but Lou's moving hasn't been that great and your shooting hasn't been that great. If those moves were coached, then you can come to PDX and hand over the rest of whatever you brought.



He tried, but the ban was lifted.

I never claimed to be a road player ever.



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I never claimed to be a road player ever.



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Wasn't that one of your aliases? Didn't you talk about having been playing for money for years and so on and so forth? The problem with saying a lot is that it opens people up for a lot of questions. Lou remained relatively quiet, so I don't have much to ask.. his shooting was decent and leaves were decent, but he made a lot of errors that you could've strung him up with. There won't be many games today, but I hope you guys bring some heat.
 
Bravo to both players giving it their all.

Many moons ago, I was playing for $100 a game on my home table against a friend and couldn't make a ball, because I wasn't used to playing for that money money. Poker, yes. Pool, no. :embarrassed2:

I could not imagine playing for $10,000.

Again, bravo to both players for stepping to the plate. Win or lose, you are both to be commended for doing this, especially in full view of the forum. :cool:
 
Jam - get Keith to give you some mental game training :)

Bravo to both players giving it their all.

Many moons ago, I was playing for $100 a game on my home table against a friend and couldn't make a ball, because I wasn't used to playing for that money money. Poker, yes. Pool, no. :embarrassed2:

I could not imagine playing for $10,000.

Again, bravo to both players for stepping to the plate. Win or lose, you are both to be commended for doing this, especially in full view of the forum. :cool:
 
Jam - get Keith to give you some mental game training :)

My pool game, I never seemed to gain that killer instinct that's needed to advance. :embarrassed2:

Poker, however, nobody has to like it playing me. :p

And with Scrabble, I think I got a lock when it comes to AzBilliards members. :cool:
 
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Did the rest of the match get moved to tomorrow?

I just looked at the stream page and see the counter running down 23 hours.....?






Rob.M
 
My pool game, I never seemed to gain that killer instinct that's needed to advance. :embarrassed2:

Poker, however, nobody has to like it playing me. :p

And with Scrabble, I think I got a lock when it comes to AzBilliards members. :cool:

please don't bark too loud because that pt109 fellow might say 'you got action'.

I know it'd be a real close one but, don't forget, he has the added benefit of also being able to spell in Canadian. :p

best,
brian kc
 
please don't bark too loud because that pt109 fellow might say 'you got action'.

I know it'd be a real close one but, don't forget, he has the added benefit of also being able to spell in Canadian. :p

best,
brian kc

Just like in pool, I would ensure the rules are set in stone to cover eveyrthing well before the match begins. :yes:

I might be a goat-roper in pool, but this ain't my first Scrabble rodeo. : :ok:
 
I didn't have him removed before the match started. He put a chair directly in line with me and set up a camera. I let him get to me and made the decision that he had not earned the right to be present at my match.

I was being calmed by the guy I have been taking lessons from. He would say the same things any corner man would say. Like get this money John, work it out John, don't leave nothing John..... Nothing prevents me from having a corner man and he will be there today.

If he was telling me what to shoot it didn't work too well because Lou won two games AFTER he got there. No matter what I still have to be the one to shoot and I came with some great shots to stay in this match.

As for Mike's presence, we got into a little barking mid match after I nailed a CTE aimed bank and said that this is why we are here. I just let myself be bothered by him but I survived to fight another day.

It is a race to three now. As Lou already knows I can win a short race against a better player. So we will see what happens.

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And is there anyone who can verify that your 'coach' was just giving you pep talks and calming you? And not saying things like 'thin the 2 and leave the cueball on the short rail on his side'.

Wouldn't take someone too long to give you a good idea of what shot to take.

Regardless of whether he was trying to calm you or not, your coach shouldn't be in your corner communicating with you throughout the match.
 
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I don't quite get something about you, John. You obviously care about improving your game,
and you've obviously put the work in leading into this match, travelling around, taking lessons, etc.
Why oh why haven't you fixed that stroke of yours?

If you put even half as much effort into that as you do into aiming (of all things),
you'd be a better player for it.

I hate to say this, because it might add 20 pages to the thread.
I honestly mean it in the spirit of helping the guy, not to bash anyone.
I think CTE has hurt his game.
Here's why -

John steers violently after many shots. Everyone noticed this.

What is steering? It's not really a stroke flaw.
We all know you can't affect the cue ball once it's left the tip.
So the actual STROKE is already finished, steering happens after the stroke.

So what is this steering and flailing? It's a mental flaw. In a word, it's fear.
It's his body reacting to his fear that he just completely undercut (or overcut) the shot.
Or failed to apply the spin he wants.

Why does he have this fear all the time?

He shouldn't, right? CTE is supposed to give you a simple, foolproof method of aiming
that takes away the guesswork and the fear of missing.
But John clearly still has that fear... he has no confidence that he just made the ball.

(Before anyone says it, the "fear steer" is not about the money,
I saw it years ago when he was just filming himself practicing in his shop)


I believe he has this fear because trying to use CTE has taught him to start out
with the wrong initial alignment and aiming point.
Part of the CTE shot process involves you lining up (at first) towards a point
you don't actually plan on hitting, for example a half ball hit,
when the cut is actually a bit thinner than that.
Then you are then asked to 'pivot' to correct it.

The pivot is why you don't actually make a half-ball hit even if you start out aiming that way.
What John is doing is 'pivoting' (actually changing direction) on his final stroke,
which points in a totally different direction than his warmup strokes.

And the fear steer?

That's happening because there's a conflict between what he sees when he lines up,
and his desired result. His eyes and hands stick are lined up to send the CB to point A,
but subconsciously he knows he must actually send it to point B.

THAT'S why he steers - he's scared he sent the shot where he initially aimed,
and is trying to "body english" the ball towards point B.

That's also why he tries to shoot so fast. John is letting his subconscious take over
and make the ball (using whatever speed and english it knows will work) because
if he tried to do it in a mechanical and systematic way, using CTE, he's not going
to make the ball.

If you ever tried speed pool you know subconscious aiming can be really powerful,
but unfortunately it means some stuff like speed control goes out the window.
Hence he cuts tough balls way too hard even though he knows pocket speed would be better.

I know John will strenuously deny all this but I hope he considers it for just a millisecond.
He's got to start all over and learn how to start and finish his stroke aiming at the correct point.

Once he learns not to lean on his subconscious to make balls, and he learns how to get his
cue pointing correctly right at the start, his fear and the steer will evaporate.
 
what is the criteria or formula for skill level vs wealth vs betting limits as it relates to gambling?

I can't run too well (as in running with my feet). but maybe I want to challenge myself to see if I can get across the street and back before the other guy can.

and if I want to bet $10g on it, then, I will.

if the other guy thinks he can go across and back a little faster than me, and he has $10g's worth of confidence, then we got action. :thumbup:

If we feel like doing it, why shouldn't we?

we can have different criterias. or is it criterium? or is the plural still criteria? :confused: :grin:

best,
brian kc

Have you ever done that?
 
And is there anyone who can verify that your 'coach' was just giving you pep talks and calming you? And not saying things like 'thin the 2 and leave the cueball on the short rail on his side'.

Wouldn't take someone too long to give you a good idea of what shot to take.

Regardless of whether he was trying to calm you or not, your coach shouldn't be in your corner communicating with you throughout the match.

Most of the time, John didn't even have enough time to *think* "thin the 2 and leave the cueball on the short rail on his side" between the time the balls stopped rolling and stroking the next shot.
 
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