Darren Forfeits Beloit

JCIN said:
If you are talking about physically I think not. Whens the last time a player ever got hurt bad over something like this? Not Little Wonky down the pool room either but a name player. People like to talk some shit but nothing ever happens. Absolute worst case is a black eye. Way more guys have been knocked out over saying something stupid in the bar than any mythical gambler revenge.
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I just hope you're right. Nothing ever happens, until it does.
 
jay helfert said:
Among real gamblers there is a moral code, that allows them to loan money on a hand shake. Their word is their bond! And they know when they are wrong and need to do something to right it. In this instance Darren pretty obviously screwed up and it was potentially very costly to someone else besides just himself. This is not about a missed ball or anything like that, so please save that conversation for someone else.
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Seriously Jay? I think your golden years has put a golden sheen on what you consider "real gamblers". The only time real gamblers tried to make things right when things didn't go their way is when they might have messed up their golden ticket.

Pool gamblers are more well known than any other sort of gambler for playing with "air barrels", "playing on their mettle" and dumping their backers. The OP said that one of the main reasons he bought Darren in the calcutta is because of his professionalism. His apology ratifies that, and I would be willing to bet that this never happens again to Darren.

And while BJTyler may not have overslept a 6:00am conference call, I'd be willing to bet that he has overslept a day of work at least once in his life. I know I have, in situations out of my control (power going out) and situations within my control (I'll hit the snooze button oooooooonnnnneee more time). Mistakes happen, and this just happened to be one. If it happens again or begins to be a pattern, then crucify the guy.

Other than blowing off steam because (justifiably) the OP was miffed about his horse being a no show, the rest of the posts judging this cat are ridiculous. If anyone here has never overslept or been late for work in their life then go ahead and cast the stones (and it can't be your first year to have a job). I'd be interested to
see how many can say that.
 
mikeyfrost said:
I just hope you're right. Nothing ever happens, until it does.
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Well if there havent been any bodies dropped at the Derby in its history with all the shit that has gone down over the years I'm fairly confident the odds of a guy getting shanked over a calcutta are slim enough to be inconsequential.

Most people smart enough to have thousands to spend on a calcutta are also smart enough to know doing something stupid won't get the money back. But I do agree you always have to keep your eyes open for the dummies.
 
Simply put, Darren Appleton owes me absolutely nothing. He doesn't owe me any money, an apology, or even an explanation. As several people have correctly pointed out, there is no contractual obligation between a player and the bettors of a calcutta. Darren has no obligation to me in any form. Just as I -and other pool fans- have no obligation to him or this game.

I always try to learn from my mistakes. From this experience, I'll learn to keep my dollars out of harm's way when it comes to pool, whether it's backing players or supporting calcuttas, I won't be doing that again. I'll also stop attending or viewing pro pool events where my level of interest and enthusiasm seemingly exceeds that of the players. Life is way too short for that.
 
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JCIN said:
This makes no sense to me. Why should any player make up anything to someone who bets on them? Players get nothing when a side better wins on them why should they be forced to feel obligated to cover a loss?

Now if a player has a backer and they are in a calcutta sure I can see a case being made. But Darren had no part of himself in this. He literally had nothing to do with the calcutta as far as I know. If Daz has to pay the calcutta guys does he have to pay everyone who bought the stream too?

This situation is but one reason big money calcutta's are just a bad idea as far as I am concerned. Someone always goes away pissed off. A buyer because a player didnt do something, a player because he didnt get any jelly the list goes on and on.

I guarantee you Darren feels bad about this. I would bet it borders on physically ill. He won $4K for fourth. The entry was $2K. Plus travel. The idea he is supposed to pony up money to cover a calcutta or anyone else is nuts.
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Logic...speak it! :thumbup:

I am dumbfounded that anyone thinks Darren owes a dime and some saying half! The man would have gotten a jelly perhaps had he won the match but not half the calcutta monies that is for sure. When it comes to calcuttas it is buyer beware. Darren publicly admitted fault and feels like crap about it all, not much else he should do but get an alarm clock that works. :cool:
 
JCIN said:
Well if there havent been any bodies dropped at the Derby in its history with all the shit that has gone down over the years I'm fairly confident the odds of a guy getting shanked over a calcutta are slim enough to be inconsequential.

Most people smart enough to have thousands to spend on a calcutta are also smart enough to know doing something stupid won't get the money back. But I do agree you always have to keep your eyes open for the dummies.
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New T-shirt:

"What Would Hubert Cokes Do" :eek:

best,
brian kc
 
jay helfert said:
I agree, Darren should make good somehow with the people who bought him in the Calcutta (he did win $4,000 in the tournament, so he won't go home empty), at least pay them back half since he was 50-50 to win the match with Skyler. He owes them something any way you look at it.
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Why?

I feel bad for the people who lost money on this, but that's why it's called gambling.
 
I usually hate when people say "this or that is bad for pools image"... but this is bad for pools image.
 
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i can't for the life of me understand why anyone would think any less of Darren or think he owes anyone anything. The only reason for Darren to compensate(which he shouldn't) would be for his own benefit of feeling better about the situation. A person can't help oversleeping a couple times in their life but I do feel bad for BJ. Dude you handled this as well as anyone possibly could and it shows volumes about your character.
Calcuttas are serious gambles in matches like these and I feel for those who lost out but it's risky to say the least
 
Helfort is way off on this one. Gambling involves risk(as we all know), sleeping in and forfeiting is one of the risks involved.
 
sjm said:
It would not be classy, but instead stupid. He has absolutely no accountability of any kind to those that purchased him.

Unless his no show was intentional, which seems inconceivable, there are no ethical issues here.
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And there lies the problam in today's world , no one excepts any accountability ,
God forbid anyone who not only excepts it but goes one step farther and tries to make amends :rolleyes:


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Darren may not have any legal obligations, but damn...........

real pros in real sports are held accountable for stuff like this, try sleeping in on gameday in the NFL and see what happens

personally, I'd make it right, not neccesarily shell out 5 large right away but make it right over time for sure
 
jay helfert said:
I agree, Darren should make good somehow with the people who bought him in the Calcutta (he did win $4,000 in the tournament, so he won't go home empty), at least pay them back half since he was 50-50 to win the match with Skyler. He owes them something any way you look at it.
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He probably would have lost, Sky was on a terror and thumped some unknown from South Dakota to win it.....:angry:

Ken
 
Hungarian said:
Maybe Daz will refund your calcutta money. That would impress the hell out of me if he did..
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That's nonsense. First of all, Darren is playing for Darren and nobody else. He paid his entry and he's just as sick about not winning as the guy who got him in Calcutta but a player had no responsibility towards someone who's betting on them. You had a great horse it just didn't workout. Sorry but that's gambling.
 
The ultimate in no class has to go to Jeanette Lee when she pulled up and quit when she wasn't allowed to buy 1/2 of herself in Calcutta, AFTER SHE WON SEVERAL ROUNDS.

To me that is the lowest class player on the planet.

Daz, is just incompetent.


Ken
 
BJTyler said:
Simply put, Darren Appleton owes me absolutely nothing. He doesn't owe me any money, an apology, or even an explanation. As several people have correctly pointed out, there is no contractual obligation between a player and the bettors of a calcutta. Darren has no obligation to me in any form. Just as I -and other pool fans- have no obligation to him or this game.

I always try to learn from my mistakes. From this experience, I'll learn to keep my dollars out of harm's way when it comes to pool, whether it's backing players or supporting calcuttas, I won't be doing that again. I'll also stop attending or viewing pro pool events where my level of interest and enthusiasm seemingly exceeds that of the players. Life is way too short for that.
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This is called taking the high road and I would expect nothing less from a man like BJ. Net result - Pool has lost one good supporter! Think about it.
 
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I don't think DA "owes" anyone anything.

However I do think DA should try and do the right thing. If he reached out and made some gesture of amends, most here would applaud his "classy" move.

He does does nothing... well, so much for "class."

Lou Figueroa
 
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