Sale section dead

ChicagoRJ said:
And only use PalPal, and do NOT gift it. If the sellers wants you to GIFT it, that's a sign he might want to screw you. It's worth telling the seller you will add a couple extra bucks to the transaction to cover the PayPal cost as insurance for yourself.

If you GIFT it, you are OUT OF LUCK. Because you just told PayPal there was no goods or services involved in the transaction, and thus, how can they recover something when you presented a free GIFT to someone.
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I completely agree. I'm new here and didn't know the disdain for the Fore Sale section so I wrote up this post because I was seeing a lot of shady posts in that sub-forum:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5193626&postcount=108
 
just posted a cue and noticed

one dealer has 7 cues there one bumper 14 times and one 12 times, the other dealer has 3 for sale, so 2 people have 10 of the 25 spots,

what makes a guy bump a cue 14 times, does he think like a used car salesman, just keep stuffing it into their face until they give up and buy the damn thing so he will go away ?

i will keep posting my once a month post, but the dealers have ruined this for sale section
 
Open billiards market is full of drama and lowballing nits and hugest selection of predator & meucci cues anywhere.
 
ron3 said:
Yea I got screwed by a new guy also a short time back. Think the honesty level has dropped
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Sorry to hear this, Ron. I have not had anything to sell for some time and am out of touch with the Sale Section of AZ.

I always thought the section's biggest value was to allow players a chance to sell cues and equipment that they no longer had a need for. I never sold anything for profit, sold stuff at a loss, but to me it was a gain because otherwise it would have done nothing bur collect dust in the closet.

Dealers are great and have their own use for the forum - perhaps the section should be divided up. One folder for players and another one for dealers?

I don't know, just a thought. Hope your buddy is enjoying my old McDermott, I never got a chance to play it much, but I sure miss looking at that pretty devil...
 
I wonder if anyone else has noticed how some Azers will post progress photos of a custom cue they're having built in the Cue Gallery. Eventually, pics of the finished cue got added and the OP will seemingly beam with pride over how the cue turned out, especially the way the cue plays so amazingly great. Anyone else recall reading posts that coincide with what I've described?

Well, regardless, quite a few of those cues wind up in the for sale section pretty fast or so it seems to me. So then I wonder to myself just how good that cue truly does play? How come that cue the OP was elated to have gotten is now for sale and why so fast? And the design that looks nice in the photo, maybe in person the quality isn't there? I mean why have a custom cue built that involves waiting a long time and costs a handful of bucks too.....those are not typically the type cues people tend to flip quickly......so why dump the cue after just getting it?

Now that's something I don't easily comprehend because of my experience with custom cues. I have had 2 custom cues made and each cue took 10 months to complete and both cost between $2k and $3k.....and each cue plays terrific....I mean the cues Bob and Jerry made me play so great I'm considering doing it again......these two guys make great cues and are wonderful individuals....furthermore, my cues were made "exactly" to the weight and size specs I provided......in other words, I love both of these pool cues.

Now the aforementioned description pretty much reflects the sentiments of most Azers whom have custom cues built, It's interesting to observe some of these individuals will start a sale thread for their new custom cue 7 -10 days after posting photos of the cue in the Cue Gallery. I just can't imagine parting with either of the 2 customs I had built, especially when they play so great.....I know others have written the same about their cues but I can't understand giving up a great playing pool cue. I mean for what? Another great playing cue? Look, when you wind up owning a genuinely great playing pool cue, why ever give it up? You'll not find my cues posted anywhere for sale or trade........you'll need to pry them from my cold dead hands........Why?

I am not exaggerating in the the slightest....not one iota.....my two customs play much....much better than most pool cues based upon my 50+ years of pool cue playing......and in my estimate, play great. Ergo, why the hell would I ever want to part with them, let alone a few weeks after I first received them? So I suspect that sometimes the cues that get posted for sale are not as great playing as the seller may have described the cue to play....if it was that good, I'd think they'd hang onto the cue awhile longer.....and with my cues, it's a "forever" timeframe. Thank you Bob Owen and Jerry Rauenzahn........and thanks to Dean Campbell for the introductions.

Matt B.
 
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Guess I over reacted when I started this thread, truth is eBay is really not that great and craigslist is also slow. May be the market is just not there any more. Maybe interest has just declined over the last few months for cues & accessories. Let's just hope things get better !
 
It's the nature of the beast. AZB isn't the only site that is struggling, all niche and hobby sites are struggling because of Facebook's strong presence on the internet. Blaming AZB isn't the solution.
 
Also, if people cared about the pool community like they say they do, they would post and sell here instead of going to some big site like Facebook. FB doesn't care about us. Why not sell and bring the traffic to AZB?

That is why I think people are full of it when they speak of giving back to the community or helping the sport out. As soon as one little change is done and they find that they can't make money here, they go elsewhere and leave.

I guess what I have been saying was correct. Money over pool. When there is money F#@# pool.

Bravo.
 
JimmyRayK said:
I've been outspoken about this and will repeat it again. They ruined it with the changes and its now dwindeled down to where it barely has a pulse. So be it.
I watch the cue market as close as anybody on the planet and have for 20+ years. And these changes sucked!!!
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The changes ruined the wanted/for sale.. They made the changes because of over bumping (activity on a forum go figure)

I don't understand why the powers would rather have a nonexistent wanted/for sale forum versus a overactive over bumped successful wanted/for sale forum..

I've heard rumor its all $$$ motivated...
 
Got to love the rumors. They aren't based in reality, but that's ok. When has that stopped anyone?

Mike

snowmon34 said:
The changes ruined the wanted/for sale.. They made the changes because of over bumping (activity on a forum go figure)

I don't understand why the powers would rather have a nonexistent wanted/for sale forum versus a overactive over bumped successful wanted/for sale forum..

I've heard rumor its all $$$ motivated...
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ron3 said:
Guess I over reacted when I started this thread, truth is eBay is really not that great and craigslist is also slow. May be the market is just not there any more. Maybe interest has just declined over the last few months for cues & accessories. Let's just hope things get better !
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In reality, there is very little new money coming into the billiards market. People are basically passing the same cues around through trades and low-end sales.

I don't see the AZ WFS section being dead, Craigslist is a wild card as it is not focused in any way on billiards, and FB is primarily for chatting, trading, buying/selling ~$500 - ~$800 cues.

The market is flooded with production cues and those from newer makers.

The production companies are successful in presenting cues made with new technology and those that appeal to buyers wanting a brand new cue.

Cues from new cuemakers appeal to players wanting a non-production cue under $1,000.

If and until the market improves, the game becomes more popular, and the number of collectors increase, I don't believe you will see an improvement in sales on any of the billiards ad forums/pages.
 
Type79 said:
In reality, there is very little new money coming into the billiards market. People are basically passing the same cues around through trades and low-end sales.

I don't see the AZ WFS section being dead, Craigslist is a wild card as it is not focused in any way on billiards, and FB is primarily for chatting, trading, buying/selling ~$500 - ~$800 cues.

The market is flooded with production cues and those from newer makers.

The production companies are successful in presenting cues made with new technology and those that appeal to buyers wanting a brand new cue.

Cues from new cuemakers appeal to players wanting a non-production cue under $1,000.

If and until the market improves, the game becomes more popular, and the number of collectors increase, I don't believe you will see an improvement in sales on any of the billiards ad forums/pages.
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I have to agree.

We have hit that point when the cue market is at its lowest or basically dead. One can say the For Sale section's changes didn't affect anything but the dead market has affected the For Sale section.

People can say what they want about the changes but it's the dead market is why you see a slow For Sale section.
 
What you say here makes good sense. The wanted/ for sale section has evolved with AZB in general.



Type79 said:
In reality, there is very little new money coming into the billiards market. People are basically passing the same cues around through trades and low-end sales.

I don't see the AZ WFS section being dead, Craigslist is a wild card as it is not focused in any way on billiards, and FB is primarily for chatting, trading, buying/selling ~$500 - ~$800 cues.

The market is flooded with production cues and those from newer makers.

The production companies are successful in presenting cues made with new technology and those that appeal to buyers wanting a brand new cue.

Cues from new cuemakers appeal to players wanting a non-production cue under $1,000.

If and until the market improves, the game becomes more popular, and the number of collectors increase, I don't believe you will see an improvement in sales on any of the billiards ad forums/pages.
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They should limit that section to the gold members imo.
Then return it to the old ways .
 
Threads asking to get the WFS changed back to the way it was

:deadhorse:

I was browsing through the want to buy section and I notice the wind was blowing really bad.
So I pmed one of the members that just posted a thread saying they were looking for a certain cue and asked him why is it so windy in the looking to buy section.

He said its the wanted for sale section , It really sucks :eek:
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
:deadhorse:

I was browsing through the want to buy section and I notice the wind was blowing really bad.
So I pmed one of the members that just posted a thread saying they were looking for a certain cue and asked him why is it so windy in the looking to buy section.

He said its the wanted for sale section , It really sucks :eek:
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The wind seems to have died down a little. Have you checked it lately?
 
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