Let me think .... Oh yeah because people are different. Question answered.
Predator Revo shaft full review and deflection test
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Let me think .... Oh yeah because people are different. Question answered.
Could you explain why playing with a predator is unbelivable to you? I've noticed that most people here who are saing that predator is shitty argue that they play better with a standard maple shaft. I can undersand that on some level, they are used to the hit and deflection of a standard shaft, so a LD predator seems like it's not worth it in their eyes.
On the other hand, as I can tell from your signature, you play with a Tiger X Pro, a shaft advertised by Tiger as a "No Deflection Shaft"....
To be fair, he never said it is "unbelievable" to him.
He said it is "beyond him", which seems to mean beyond his understanding, which is very reasonable.
We all know people have varying preferences, but to truly understand another's preference is a bit of a stretch.
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He said it is "beyond him", which seems to mean beyond his understanding, which is very reasonable.
We all know people have varying preferences, but to truly understand another's preference is a bit of a stretch.
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croscoe...I have a radial pin on my cues (Samsara). Karim Belhaj, Predator owner, said they could fit a Revo shaft to my butt. That's what I'm having done when I get to Jacksonville in a couple of weeks...so I guess I will perhaps have the only Revo shaft that is not connected to a Predator butt. 
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I don't have a dog in this fight, and don't really care about shaft diameter. Over the past 50 years I have played with 14mm down to 10mm, and been able to play with any of them.
I did an experiment a couple of weeks ago. I took both my Samsaras and put the regular 13mm shaft on one, and one of my LD shafts (Tiger Pro X 11.75mm) on the other. I played several games swapping cues back and forth from shot to shot. FOR ME, I had no trouble adapting to either shaft. In other words, I could play just as well, immediately, using either shaft. Before this I had not played with the Samsara shafts in 5 years. I was pretty amazed. Many people speak of having to take a lot of time to get "used" to going back from a normal shaft to an LD shaft. That wasn't the case for me.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I did an experiment a couple of weeks ago. I took both my Samsaras and put the regular 13mm shaft on one, and one of my LD shafts (Tiger Pro X 11.75mm) on the other. I played several games swapping cues back and forth from shot to shot. FOR ME, I had no trouble adapting to either shaft. In other words, I could play just as well, immediately, using either shaft. Before this I had not played with the Samsara shafts in 5 years. I was pretty amazed. Many people speak of having to take a lot of time to get "used" to going back from a normal shaft to an LD shaft. That wasn't the case for me.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Why would you chose to play with a LD shaft over a standard shaft then? There are known drawbacks to having an LD shaft. Ferrule durability, and overall shaft durability, combined with the increased difficulty of jumping are pretty big 'cons'. There's only one drawback to a standard shaft in the eyes of the LD crowd, the deflection. So if you're playing just as well with the standard, why limit yourself on possible shots? It'd be like Usain Bolt wearing climbing shoes for the 100m. Sure they grip the surface more, but the shoe doesn't grip you the same way so you end up slipping. Things just don't make sense.
The hit
You really didn't hit this nail on the head .
When high dollar shaft keep on coming in for repairs like predator shafts.
And a very hi percent of these shafts have structural issue , then its very easy for a cue repairman to know if he wants to buy a predator shaft or not.
My opinion is based on how the shaft holds up........ how its constructed .
Grade of materials used , things like that...
And predator closed its factor here and moved it to china, and I have a problem with that to.
When is the last time you seen anyone lugging around a china made production cue that cost 3500.00 bucks .
You really didn't hit this nail on the head .
When high dollar shaft keep on coming in for repairs like predator shafts.
And a very hi percent of these shafts have structural issue , then its very easy for a cue repairman to know if he wants to buy a predator shaft or not.
My opinion is based on how the shaft holds up........ how its constructed .
Grade of materials used , things like that...
And predator closed its factor here and moved it to china, and I have a problem with that to.
When is the last time you seen anyone lugging around a china made production cue that cost 3500.00 bucks .
Im sure there will be a picture in the cue gallery at some point after everyone gets home from the SBE. You KNOW somebody had to have bought one........ :thumbup:
Well. I've read in one other of your posts that you are very careful with your word selection, and I must admit that I can't argue with this one, you are right
The FAQs are interesting. From what I know so far, I'll have to pass.
http://www.predatorcues.com/revo-faq/
croscoe...I have a radial pin on my cues (Samsara). Karim Belhaj, Predator owner, said they could fit a Revo shaft to my butt. That's what I'm having done when I get to Jacksonville in a couple of weeks...so I guess I will perhaps have the only Revo shaft that is not connected to a Predator butt.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Great to hear..Mine also are radial. Look forward to hearing a review..
Scott teaches so much he just never forgets that say for english he doesn't need 3 tips (when most peoles3 tips are really more like 10 tips lol)....so english and using it on diff shafts especially so "sparingly" wont show such drastic differences in shots from shaft to shaft
Scott doesn't stress his game or his stroke, man is too knowledgeable plus such long experience, that it lets him play the CB core......so there's not a ton to adjust too, proabably effects him more in how the cue hits soft or hard than antying else such as deflection......
remember if your just shooting say stright ins with no english LD/SD aim an shoot the same....
I'm also sure Scott has a jump cue, and also even more sure that he can kick and hit a ball lol
Ever since I've known scott personally and prior from when I only knew him online, he's always basically been MEH, about particular cue/s being the ONE or whatever.........not sure if he just feels that way, or if he has just become that way about cues from teaching possibly.
I really never have trouble from cue to cue either, unless i'm trying to play fancy shots that require (or i'm forcing too much) using lots of side spin. For me at least its more "how it feels" that i care about than how it actually pockets balls when using spins
-regards,
Greyghost
-Greyghost
im sure you could figure it out.
Scott teaches so much he just never forgets that say for english he doesn't need 3 tips (when most peoles3 tips are really more like 10 tips lol)....so english and using it on diff shafts especially so "sparingly" wont show such drastic differences in shots from shaft to shaft
Scott doesn't stress his game or his stroke, man is too knowledgeable plus such long experience, that it lets him play the CB core......so there's not a ton to adjust too, proabably effects him more in how the cue hits soft or hard than antying else such as deflection......
remember if your just shooting say stright ins with no english LD/SD aim an shoot the same....
I'm also sure Scott has a jump cue, and also even more sure that he can kick and hit a ball lol
Ever since I've known scott personally and prior from when I only knew him online, he's always basically been MEH, about particular cue/s being the ONE or whatever.........not sure if he just feels that way, or if he has just become that way about cues from teaching possibly.
I really never have trouble from cue to cue either, unless i'm trying to play fancy shots that require (or i'm forcing too much) using lots of side spin. For me at least its more "how it feels" that i care about than how it actually pockets balls when using spins
-regards,
Greyghost
-Greyghost
Hi Keebie,
Had some very good Craw Fish Etouffee last night.
Can you explain then why Scott follows that Dr. Dave type science that NOTHING matters except the solid material equations.
I think that is totally wrong, by the way. The tip, the shaft, & even a spliced wooden butt are NOT solid materials...& neither is our hand, arm, shoulder, etc.
Thanks in advance, if you can explain that.
All Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
As was discussed Rick, it is the effective mass that effects squirt. similar results can be attained with different tips, wood vs graphite , solid vs hollow, stiff vs flexible.
It takes time and money to analyze each component of a concept and then empirically prove the analysis. If you don't have that time and resource, buy the shaft that you think will work for you and discard it if it doesn't - it just takes money.
I shoot with a Z2 but my old sanded down house cue down to 10mm solid maple shaft works as well for me.
A perfect stroke will get to OB into the pocket if you know where to aim and adjust. :smile:
Be well.
Thanks E, but I got all that.
My query was more to what Keebie was saying about Scott & how that does not seem to match up with what Scott puts out.
Stay Well,
Rick
I'm actually lost as to what ya mean Rick....what did i say thats so far out of line with what Scott says? Its not like I dont know the guy at all lol....
matter of fact.....my real special cue....phuk i dont feel like talking about it but just since i guess something I said your deeming not "true" i guess
well my custom player, the cue was made from a 1890's brunswck, was over sized and straiight and had its matching shaft.......extremely solid, low deflection cue/shaft........its been my every day player for amlost a decade...
i have other cues....plenty of cues. Soutwest, a sweet unknown.....some really nice old hueblers, and like 3 or so that i made in my case ready to play....
some shit bag broke the shaft.....and i hope he dies a firey death one day....but i digress
that happened thursday night. I had a doubles event my firend had asked me to play in earlier during week....I told him i wasn't really feeling up to it, but i'd give it a good college try because i told him i would be his partner.....
hummm....wtf do i play with? Every last one of thecues I have are great cues.....but they all feel alien in my hands, compared.
My everyday cue was 12mm with a short new micarta ferrule.....I picked my little butterfly with the ivoryy joint and ferrule (long ferrule too) which is close to the same weight as my dead everyday player.....but with 13mm.....
it still has lots of spine, butits much higher deflection......needless to say, jarred and the strange wood didn't affect me one bit.....not one...played excellent.
but ididn't shoot any shots 9 foot with 4396 tips of ENGLISH either.....
the two cues are very very diff.....was I comfortable? HELL NO.....but none of it was of any consequence, as I'm pretty sure there wasn't one shot that I would have hit any better with my old cue, because i hit dam near all of them good. Long, tight, bank.......and just used that english to help on angles not drive the car.
I take it the recipe was a hit? Etouffee i mean
-greyghost
you hit that on the head actually.....my prototype, the one that broke.....that was how it was developed....thats "MY CUE" its not even the same taper and lengths on a cue I would normally sell, much less that someone could buy.....i designed it based off exactly what i knew i needed to suit my peculiarities.....so when i say i feel like my hands gone or that all my other wood feels alien.....it really does....me an ma cue was like peas an carrots and knew one another all too well.
She's even gorgeous broken in half...aint that a b***h
Some one asked me why I had my 20x20 rolling dealer case today....I promptly said "so i got all my stuff safe inside....plus some big long chunks of brazilian rosewood and a mini cue with a metal rod in it.....next time someone trys to play charlie manson with my equipment I'm gonna club em till they cant talk walk or think no more with some wood that wont f'n break like that shaft did.
the world is warned....
-Greyghost