Predator Revo shaft full review and deflection test

JB Cases said:
I see your point and thought about it. Yes along the lines of a faster car means a bad driver can drive faster the shaft will certainly help average players do some things better assuming the claims are true.

My point was as you pointed out that an increase in equipment performance benefits the pro more because of decreased situations where the equipment was at fault for the miss. (in so much as equipment could even be the cause.)
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Aside from situations like a miscue from a glazed tip or the tip popping off (or a gaffed cue with say lead weight at the tip), I don't see how the cue is ever the cause of the miss (this is not the case for balls skidding (a "kick") or bad table rolls, which are the fault of equipment). I say this because the cue ball will react as it should given the cue, and a player can always adjust to it. Of course, one possible advantage to LD cues is that the player has to adjust less.

The point I was making was slightly different than your point about the equipment causing the miss - I think the test is whether a cue can be forgiving of mistakes, like a larger sweet spot on a golf club.

Gideon
 
JB Cases said:
The one Brandon did? If so then no. That's not a real test nor a real unbiased review.

I am talking about the type of testing where accurate benchmarks are defined and logical. Then against those benchmarks equipment is tested thoroughly and scientifically. The experiments are repeatable and results verifiable.
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In theory just like there is a defined miscue limit, there is a maximum deflection limit. That is without trying to rig the test. Using a wood shaft with a ferrule, tip and weight all permitted under WPA rules.
 
The paradigm was that only end mass for a few inches behind the tip contributes to deflection/squirt. That should be easy to accomplish...unless more flexibility also matters and contributes to the effective end mass for low deflection/squirt.:)

Be well.
 
GideonF said:
Aside from situations like a miscue from a glazed tip or the tip popping off (or a gaffed cue with say lead weight at the tip), I don't see how the cue is ever the cause of the miss (this is not the case for balls skidding (a "kick") or bad table rolls, which are the fault of equipment). I say this because the cue ball will react as it should given the cue, and a player can always adjust to it. Of course, one possible advantage to LD cues is that the player has to adjust less.

The point I was making was slightly different than your point about the equipment causing the miss - I think the test is whether a cue can be forgiving of mistakes, like a larger sweet spot on a golf club.

Gideon
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That the cue, actually the shaft, can contribute to misses is exactly the premise of "performance" shafts. It's in the marketing statements.

The whole point to radial consistency and lower deflection is to increase accuracy so if there is no need for the shaft to be "better" because the shaft can't affect the path of the ball it strikes then all this is really just incredible amounts of hype to separate suckers from their cash.

I personally don't believe that. I have seen the Predator shaft in action demonstrated against single piece shafts to know that the premise is correct. But what I want more is to see real data and real benchmarks set by truly independent and qualified testers.
 
I'll give you my results JB.
I play "A" speed and have been using a predator for over 10 years.
I tried it at the expo and was blown away by it.
Not "I'm spending $1k" on one blown away, but was super impressed.

-Bogey
 
I got my Revo shaft, manufactured to fit my Samsara butt with a radial pin, on Wednesday. So far I've put about 10-12 hrs on it, and am just as happy and amazed at how it plays and feels (for me), as I was last month at the SBE. I have let several others try it out, and all have said it feels really good. All I know is that I will use this shaft exclusively for the next several months, to get an honest appraisal out of it. Anyone who sees me is welcome to try it out. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
I got my Revo shaft, manufactured to fit my Samsara butt with a radial pin, on Wednesday. So far I've put about 10-12 hrs on it, and am just as happy and amazed at how it plays and feels (for me), as I was last month at the SBE. I have let several others try it out, and all have said it feels really good. All I know is that I will use this shaft exclusively for the next several months, to get an honest appraisal out of it. Anyone who sees me is welcome to try it out. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Does it give a crisp tactile feel in the grip? Is it loud when it impacts the CB?
 
Pro's using it

I watched the Predator Tour livestream yesterday and both Holdin Chin and Tony Robles were using the Revo shaft.

Wedge
 
Wedge said:
I watched the Predator Tour livestream yesterday and both Holdin Chin and Tony Robles were using the Revo shaft.

Wedge
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Tony used the shaft in his match yesterday. looks like he was missing a lot , But his break was on, but his shooting was not.
I played with that shaft when I was NYC .Was not really impressed I"ll put a purple heart shaft in the same test and it will do the same or better .. Or try a Blood wood shaft Ld shafts out of carbon fiber should have more flex its hollow . Ask anybody that plays Golf about carbon fiber shafts .. But if you look at the video there is a cue up there at $3000 .At that price you should never miss a ball.
 
tip

Has anyone tried a different tip on the Revo , not a fan of soft tips and I hear it comes with the victory soft.
 
joemuffler said:
Has anyone tried a different tip on the Revo , not a fan of soft tips and I hear it comes with the victory soft.
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I played with my friends last night for a while. He didn't like the victory tip so he had a kamui clear soft (which plays like a medium) After spending a nice amount of time with it I got to say I feel the same about it as I do the 314/3 . I like the hit but not enough to spend the cash and leave my 314/2. It was a short learning curve with it though but I tend to worry more about making the balls in front of me then I do equipment so I've never had an issue adjusting to a new cue.
 
Let me see

Celophanewrap said:
Are they carbon fiber cookies?
Then NO!
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For the right price I think I can get some carbon fiber cookies, may be a bit tough to pass though! On another note, will there come a day when only carbon fiber or other non wood shafts rule the market? If so when wood is hard to come by in the future will pool players rediscover it and think it is the next great thing and pay the equivalent of $800 in the future? Just food for thought. Play the shaft you prefer, I learned my lesson. To each their own and I'm fine with that. Took some really smart people to educate me on this, but the lesson has been well received. Happy Memorial Day Weekend. I hope you all run a six pack and have one too, even if it's NA.
 
I tried one a few days ago. Put it on my Predator Ikon and it played fine. It felt a little strange but not bad per se. Just different. My only 2 complaints are the lack of a ferrule made sighting a little difficult (however I didn't miss much really so I don't think it actually hurt me, it just looked wrong) and the shaft had a glare in the light that bothered me. The glare made it appear as if the shaft was bowed like a banana. I like my 314-2 better but if wood becomes too scarce in the future I think I could get used to the Revo.
 
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