The story behind the Jackot cues

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Hello Jim , The Guy you are referring to is me . You do not have to be bashful about it and please don't hold back. I am the one who was looking for a Adam Balabushka Cue , Jim contacted me and said he had one he would sell me for I believe it was either $750 or somewhere in that neighborhood. I really would like to have had that cue as I believe what he said about it he just shot 1 rack with it. I like to haggle , there is a asking price and a selling price. You never know until you ask. I grew up were you had to work for what you had and a lot of times not a lot of money to due it with . So after a pm or 2 I think he offered to sell it to me for $ 650 plus 25.00 shipping to me. I have a guy who does my repair work who also knows what cues are worth since he has been in the Business since 1970 , I never said he could get it cheaper , but he told me that that was bit steep because those cues do not sell well in the area and since 1970 he has only seen 3-4 come thru . Not a popular cue. A brand new unchalked adam balabushka sold for $ 325.00 on here a few months ago. So with that after thinking about it I never try to buy anything I cannot get my money back out of so I said I decided not to Buy it and Apologized several times for it and also apologized for wasting his time. I also have a situation that I am dealing with that put me in a bind also which was unforeseen and that is the biggest reason I had to say no. For the record tho what does that have to do with this current situation with you and these Jackpot cues. If you are upset about me not buying it you should have contacted me directly the Pm feature works still I believe. But so You guys do not have to wonder who this is he is referring to I will save you all some time . Thanks Randall

All of the ADAM Balabushka cues you keep talking about for going so "low" are Chinese made.

I didn't mention your name or even the type of cue, I was just pointing out that there is more than one person on here who will attempt to keep lowering and lowering the price.

The cue I have was brought brand new and I still have the receipt for when I bought it, I think...unless I threw it away. I think it may be in the case with the cue.

The cue lists for $950.

If you can buy it cheaper, please do so.

Like I said, I was never in the market to sell it in the first place.

If the cue isn't popular and you are worried about buying one to turn around and sell later, then maybe you should invest in something not so risky as pool cues.

The only reason I offered to sell it to you was that you kept making repeated posts and threads on here about you had one decades ago and you wanted another one.

I have no need to sell the cue. I didn't buy the cue to sell. I don't need the money.

That is why I don't put cues on sale here. People want to dicker around and haggle. If I ever want to sell or trade something, I take it to the pool hall and let people see and touch the items before they decide if they want them. Less hassle than trying to dicker with people over the internet.
 
I see your point , but the one I was referring to that sold here on the forum a couple of months ago was not Chinese made , it was a japan made and over 20 years old brand new. The Cues just seem not to re-sell really well . I did not say I could buy it cheaper just thought it was a little on the high end , but to someone else it may not be. I like too haggle or Dicker or whatever. That used be one of the highlights of my day back when all was good. That is a way of life for some people who never had a whole lot . I believe you that you bought it new , you don't seem like someone who would lie about that. I also seen the post you had put here a few years ago talking about when you bought it new and how you got for 50% off , so if they sell for $ 900 that means you got it around $ 450.00 . That would be about right , But you know as well as I do that when you take ownership of it becomes used. Just like a car or anything , Those cues are not collectable and are worth about 500 range to 600 on high end in mint condition would you not say so .
 
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If you are not a party to a transaction that takes place on AZB, please use discretion in the future.
 
If you are not a party to a transaction that takes place on AZB, please use discretion in the future.

I wasn't but got invited thru the back door . I am just a up front kinda guy and one who when is mentioned in one form or another just like to be upfront about the deal etc.
 
I see your point , but the one I was referring to that sold here on the forum a couple of months ago was not Chinese made , it was a japan made and over 20 years old brand new. The Cues just seem not to re-sell really well . I did not say I could buy it cheaper just thought it was a little on the high end , but to someone else it may not be. I like too haggle or Dicker or whatever. That used be one of the highlights of my day back when all was good. That is a way of life for some people who never had a whole lot .

I don't haggle over anything.

That doesn't mean I won't make an offer on something as expensive as a car where that is what they do all day, every day.

I have NEVER, EVER, NEVER paid MSRP for a car. I have gotten THOUSANDS off the sticker price. I had one Honda car salesman say I was the hardest customer he had ever had in his life.

Every car I buy is brand new. I don't buy used cars

I walk in, after doing my homework, and they ask me what do I want to look at, or drive, or whatever. I pick one and ignore any comments or bullshit they are telling me along the way. Once I decide what I want, I tell them, "this is what your getting, cash money, up front, in my pocket, take it or leave it."

They don't know what to do then. It's always, "let me go in the back room and talk to xxx", while they leave you sitting there.

I don't play that shit. I hand them my phone number and say "call me when I can come get the car, or don't bother calling me."

Then, usually that day, or the next, they will call back and say, "well, you know I talked it over with xxx and I think we can get you a deal if you come back down here." And, I say "don't fvcking bother calling me."

Oh, I forgot to say that before I went to the Honda guy, I'd went to a VW lot across the street and made a deal and before it went through the SOBs tried to stall on me and sucker me into changing my offer.

Long story short, I walked from the VW dealer to the Honda dealer across the street, made my cash offer, got the car and drove it through the VW lot and parked it. The salesman then came over and said something like, "hey, I think we can make a deal on that VW" and I pointed to the brand new Honda sitting there and said, "I don't drive VWs, I drive brand new Hondas" and got in it and drove off.

The same way it has went when I bought my last several cues and shafts. Somebody offered them to me for sale and gave me a price and I never once haggled, I handed them cash money and took what they were selling me. I didn't say I'm going to go in the back room and talk to Balabushka and see what he thinks. That is the way I expect people to do when they buy something from me. If you think you are getting screwed, go buy stuff from somebody else.

I've given away, for free, pool cues that I could have sold for a couple hundred bucks. The cues were brand new.

If you are worried about a pool cue price going down as soon as you hit with it, don't buy a car. They go down about 25% as soon as you drive off the lot. I don't buy my cars to resell them. I buy them to drive them. I drive the SOBs until they fall apart, how ever long that is. I can tell with out a doubt, the majority of my pool cues are older than my cars and have outlasted any car I have over bought. I have pool cues that I bought more that 40 years ago that I'm still playing. I don't have a car that has lasted me 40 years.

Haggling used to drive me crazy when I lived in Taiwan. People would stand there and latterly haggle for 30 minutes over a 50 cent item.
 
I don't haggle over anything.

That doesn't mean I won't make an offer on something as expensive as a car where that is what they do all day, every day.

I have NEVER, EVER, NEVER paid MSRP for a car. I have gotten THOUSANDS off the sticker price. I had one Honda car salesman say I was the hardest customer he had ever had in his life.

Every car I buy is brand new. I don't buy used cars

I walk in, after doing my homework, and they ask me what do I want to look at, or drive, or whatever. I pick one and ignore any comments or bullshit they are telling me along the way. Once I decide what I want, I tell them, "this is what your getting, cash money, up front, in my pocket, take it or leave it."

They don't know what to do then. It's always, "let me go in the back room and talk to xxx", while they leave you sitting there.

I don't play that shit. I hand them my phone number and say "call me when I can come get the car, or don't bother calling me."

Then, usually that day, or the next, they will call back and say, "well, you know I talked it over with xxx and I think we can get you a deal if you come back down here." And, I say "don't fvcking bother calling me."

Oh, I forgot to say that before I went to the Honda guy, I'd went to a VW lot across the street and made a deal and before it went through the SOBs tried to stall on me and sucker me into changing my offer.

Long story short, I walked from the VW dealer to the Honda dealer across the street, made my cash offer, got the car and drove it through the VW lot and parked it. The salesman then came over and said something like, "hey, I think we can make a deal on that VW" and I pointed to the brand new Honda sitting there and said, "I don't drive VWs, I drive brand new Hondas" and got in it and drove off.

The same way it has went when I bought my last several cues and shafts. Somebody offered them to me for sale and gave me a price and I never once haggled, I handed them cash money and took what they were selling me. I didn't say I'm going to go in the back room and talk to Balabushka and see what he thinks. That is the way I expect people to do when they buy something from me. If you think you are getting screwed, go buy stuff from somebody else.

I've given away, for free, pool cues that I could have sold for a couple hundred bucks. The cues were brand new.

If you are worried about a pool cue price going down as soon as you hit with it, don't buy a car. They go down about 25% as soon as you drive off the lot. I don't buy my cars to resell them. I buy them to drive them. I drive the SOBs until they fall apart, how ever long that is. I can tell with out a doubt, the majority of my pool cues are older than my cars and have outlasted any car I have over bought. I have pool cues that I bought more that 40 years ago that I'm still playing. I don't have a car that has lasted me 40 years.

Haggling used to drive me crazy when I lived in Taiwan. People would stand there and latterly haggle for 30 minutes over a 50 cent item.

You're trying very hard to prove to us how much you value your time and how little you waste it, but you have posted more than anyone in these threads.

Dean is a fraud, and you are posting still to do what? Cover up for it? Distract from it? Continue to assist him in defrauding people

You're wasting your time, everyone knows Dean is a fraud.
 
You're trying very hard to prove to us how much you value your time and how little you waste it, but you have posted more than anyone in these threads.

Dean is a fraud, and you are posting still to do what? Cover up for it? Distract from it? Continue to assist him in defrauding people

You're wasting your time, everyone knows Dean is a fraud.

Beavis, why are you in this thread if you are so worried about threads?

Go buy a car, using my advice I just gave you and maybe you can upgrade your car and have some money left over to buy some cues.

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Beavis, why are you in this thread if you are so worried about threads?

Go buy a car, using my advice I just gave you and maybe you can upgrade your car and have some money left over to buy some cues.

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You must be a brilliant investor

Buying a car during a lockdown, depreciation you can't even enjoy

Are you a shill to his fraud?
 
Can someone sum up what Dean did please? I've read thru some of the threads, but can't find a clear cut answer.

To keep it fresh...

Dean said his friend Jack Potter was making a batch of "Jackpot" cues.

Jack used to operate/partner in a cue business called Libra. So he has a reputation as a cuemaker/cue company partner etc.

Dean charged $600 for these Jackpot cues.

Turns out Dean lied (admitted it himself). Jack didnt make them. He had Schmelke make them.

So without knowing for sure his exact cost, it has been said to be as low as $100 per cue, Dean profited upwards of 500 per cue.

Recap.

Dean said the cues were brand A for a commensurate price.

What Dean really sold people was brand B for a grossly inflate price.

Dean plays victim when caught.
 
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I have NEVER, EVER, NEVER paid MSRP for a car. I have gotten THOUSANDS off the sticker price. I had one Honda car salesman say I was the hardest customer he had ever had in his life.

Every car I buy is brand new. I don't buy used cars
As I can see you are a man with impeccable taste in automobiles, here is one used car you will not want to pass up.

My neighbor is selling his "BMW 7-series" that has been very well cared for.

It is in immaculate condition and it runs and drives great.

You might even say it is as reliable as a Honda. :D

This car would go very nicely with your Jackpot cue. :eek:

Let me know if you are interested.
 

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As I can see you are a man with impeccable taste in automobiles, here is one used car you will not want to pass up.

My neighbor is selling his "BMW 7-series" that has been very well cared for.

It is in immaculate condition and it runs and drives great.

You might even say it is as reliable as a Honda. :D

This car would go very nicely with your Jackpot cue. :eek:

Let me know if you are interested.

I'm looking at a new Tesla as my next one. Not a fan of BMW cars, used or new.

Thanks for the offer.

If you can get it to Hawaii, I may be able to help him sell it for a pretty good price. Cars go for more over here.

Did you know that Toyota was the #1 selling car in Hawaii? This is an island, in case you don't know. You can drive anywhere on the island in a couple hours, or less. You are mostly driving in circles in about a 25 mile radius. People don't need fancy cars over here to drive. Just like they don't need thousand dollar pool cues. They can do just fine with what they have.
 
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To keep it fresh...

Dean said his friend Jack Potter was making a batch of "Jackpot" cues.

Jack used to operate/partner in a cue business called Libra. So he has a reputation as a cuemaker/cue company partner etc.

Dean charged $600 for these Jackpot cues.

Turns out Dean lied (admitted it himself). Jack didnt make them. He had Schmelke make them.

So without knowing for sure his exact cost, it has been said to be as low as $100 per cue, Dean profited upwards of 500 per cue.

Recap.

Dean said the cues were brand A for a commensurate price.

What Dean really sold people was brand B for a grossly inflate price.

Dean plays victim when caught.

To make a correction to your post:

Dean offered them for $600, if you wanted a chance to win another one. If you didn't want the "chance" to win another one, they were $500.
 
Thanks for the offer.
I am doing a limited run of "custom cues"

hit with it once and you will feel the difference

when they are gone they are gone
I have 2 spots open right now

The rest are sold and I am ready to shut down so
Hurry to gey one before they are gone and you
are singing the blues

say "i want to hit with a Schmelke"

its that simple

Is Jack "actually" going to be "making them" or will they be outsourced?
 

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I am doing a limited run of "custom cues"

hit with it once and you will feel the difference

when they are gone they are gone
I have 2 spots open right now

The rest are sold and I am ready to shut down so
Hurry to gey one before they are gone and you
are singing the blues

say "i want to hit with a Schmelke"

its that simple

I hit with a lot of cues. But this is one I'd take to play you with.

If you are going to play a "sucker", bring along your Tucker.
 

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I made and sold some cues that my customers loved,but a certain civic minded group interested in other peoples business have chosen to respond with highly abusive language

if you did not know better you might get the idea that customers were mad,but not in this case.The customers are happy.

I enjoyedsuch a fine reputation on this forum that for years i sold Mystery cues. I would not tell a single fact and ask the customer to send up to $1500 and I would send them a wonderful cue

I did this perhaps a dozen times and the customers with out exception loved what they got, When thet posted pictures ,others laughed and wrote me happy messages saying things like "i will get the next one"

Some people were offended. This isn't right,never mind that the customer is happy,I find this offensive ,they said

Well there are hundreds of people who have scomplimented my treatment,they left positive feedback . In other words they left word to tell others that I was a good guy over 270 so far

This also offended some people because they did not think a fella with my style or lack thereof should sell so much while they did not

Well the current issue is over a cue that jack potter and I designed and commissioned
to be made by a fine old USA company.

The customers ordered and were/are happy but our detractors seem to think that itwas a scam.We offered a full money back to anyone for three orso weeks.
No one took us up for this reason.

In fact some customers ordered 3 or 4 more cues after everything you are about to read was stated .

But our friends ,felt a need to explain to happy customers how stupid they were, they are told that they have been scammed.

It is hard to imagine why the customers are defending us and the non customers
are so determined that the average guy needs help knowing his own mind

I encourage you to read their comments,but let me warn you.They have used very foul abusive language,and some vulgarity in describing yours truly.

You might be confused how anyone would want to stick their nose in other peoples busuiness. You might even decide ythat yours truly must be a con man

I,it might confuse you to see satisfied customers occasionally daring to speak up in our defense, why do these happy buyers defend the very man accused of foul play

Some have left this forum,saying that there are too many drama queens on here,
Others fit right in,some love it

You will see what I mean,you ill catch on to the loving spirit in just a few seconds

Over all this is a wondeful place to talk about the game of pool.
There is one guy Dr Dave who offers tremendous videos and instruction.

There is a nice forum where you can select a cue of your choice, some of these comments are made by people who want to help you with your choice

Yu will have to ask yourself two questions

1 Why are they so helpful or what business is it of theirs
2 Do you think you need their kind of help

Before you decide,read these enlighting comments buckle up and feel the love
Welcome to AZ Billiards,enjoy yourself
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But, this is the original post?

Originally Posted by deanoc View Post
Jack and I had thought about the project over the years,sharing our ideas
with you from time to time.

He had such good success with the Libra and I had the Deano cues with
Schmelke blanks finished by John Nemic I approached several friends in the
business about the idea before proceeding.

Larry Vigus was in no position to help with any hands on work,I talked to
Shelby and he was too busy, I went to Paul Drexler who is always so helpful
to anyone in the cue business needing help. He made the suggestion to
me that I contact David Schmelke. saying he does great work.


Schmelke is a tremendous cue making company with the ability to manufacture
cues in any price range and has experience building cues for others.

Did you know that many,if not most of the Titleist blanks so popular today
were manufactured by Schmelke for Brunswick?. Schmelke also made the
blanks for John Nemec when he made the Deano cues.

Rick Landsberg of Best Billiards in Orange County bought hundreds from Tad
who had bought the left over stock from Schmelke when Brunswick quit
using them.

When Schmelke took on the project I was very happy because among other things
I had a very reputable USA company with not only the talent and ability to handle these
cues but also Schmelke had vast amounts of great old wood and good
shaft wood available( perhaps the best in the world)

I recently bought a large amount of excellent ebony from Schmelke for some of the better
cue makers,high dollar cue makers in America.

Jack and I discussed our project and tested several cues in trial runs to be sure we got what
we wanted .a distinctive powerful responsive hit that we felt like was our own

The thing that impressed us and caused us to go forward was the great shaft wood and
Schmelke's proceedure of making great shafts. I have seen $5000 cues with shafts that were
not as nice as what we got.

Just a word ... first after several passes (cutting and sanding and processing) a vigorous
shaft pretparation beginning with sealer ,spinning and finishing, then a special 3 step process
of applying spinning polishing ending with a wax.

Why didn't we explain everything up front?

It was unimportant ,served us no purpose and both parties were feeling each other
other out,if there had been a problem with something there was no use in spreading the blame.
There was no problem

Not one customer complained about the play ,while several called and ordered as many as 4
more,great pool players claimed they loved the play.

We like to think we had something to do with that result.Schmelke did great work,
they provided great materials and payed close attention to details,provided everything according
to our specs and time tables.

We are proud of our product which we consider a great success. The cues play good,look good
and enabled us to put a nice cue in your hands for a good price.


Schmelke is a tremendous company and they have been putting great cues at low prices in
players hands for years.


A great deal of controversy was caused by people with absolutely no financial involvement,
they were not customers and had not touched the cues.

Not one customer did or could lose money because we stood behind the product with a
no question asked ,money back guaranteed if the customer wanted his money back with
a normal period of time.

Our sneaky pete was built to the same specs and hit the same.Several cues were sent
to the Philipines to support youth pool sponsored by the Anito KID

One of his 15 year old kids beat Efren and we wanted to provide these kids the chance to play
with top quality equipment at no cost.

Your purchases helped suport that project and any extra profits went a great deal toward helping
Jack with unexpected hospital bills.

Originally ,I had planned on taking my profits and having a good time with the family.
As you know I have never been ashamed to make a profit and I don't intend to start to change.

Please do not take this as an apology, I am proud of everything we did . This is just a public
explanation which I am making now unforced or coerced.

We are now facing a major crisis,perhaps the biggest since the big war.My mother had to ration gas,
and now maybe it's toilet paper. Some are losing jobs.
Our industry is certainly facing hard times for the short term.

I am grateful to those of you who increased your orders while we were being criticized,and to the
dozens of you who told us to keep our chin up and not let the turkeys get us down.

I should offer a hearty thanks to our detractors who while attempting to do us harm
have actually provided us with increased orders and letters of support from the rest of you.



Dean
Tad's name was dragged in there.
Deleting his name and other names out of there was a good punctuation edit.
I can't imagine those mentioned would touch that project for what the cues sold for .
Heck, shafts from decent makers now cost $200 and up.
Spray finish are some $200 and up too.
Never mind the time line .
 
Heck, shafts from decent makers now cost $200 and up.

So, if I go to any cue maker and get a shaft for $199, or less, it isn't from a "decent" maker?

I think I'll shop around for some and post the names of the makers who aren't "decent".

I'd like everybody to make sure they only buy from "decent" makers.
 
So, if I go to any cue maker and get a shaft for $199, or less, it isn't from a "decent" maker?

I think I'll shop around for some and post the names of the makers who aren't "decent".

I'd like everybody to make sure they only buy from "decent" makers.

Ah, the old word game.
Let's play dangling participle game next.

You can get a decent car for 10K.
Does that mean all cars below 10K aren't decent ?

Hey, some decent cue makers charge $200 for joint protectors .
 
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