oops, yeah Austria lol
2023 World Pool Championship, Kielce, Poland
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Would the first player to run out of time lose, and that's the end of the match? What if the player that ran out of time was ahead in the match score? What if both players had 1 second left, and the match still had a few games left?
The problem "I think" becomes hearing someone say 10 seconds and take you out of a rhythm. I know, don't get put into that situation.
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oops, yeah Austria lol
you were close
but yea, austria not doing too shabby..albin's a two-time world champ already, and austria as a team has two WCOP titles
you were close
but yea, austria not doing too shabby..albin's a two-time world champ already, and austria as a team has two WCOP titles
and if i'm not wrong, lechner runner up at the US open, mario semifinalist at the european open. ouschan is tad ahead maybe but it's real close between the three.
exactly- austria strong!
Interestingly you can see some of the trend between slow play and the best play when looking at that chart. In the fifth division down, the one with 913 players in it, the pros and master players are mostly grouped near the top. And just below that, where they have the divisions based on skill, Pro, Master, A, B, C, etc, you can again see the general trend where the slower the players the better the players.
This isn't enough on its own to draw definitive conclusions, but the totality of the evidence supporting that everybody (once you force yourself to get used to it and give it a fair chance) will play to their maximum potential when they play slow is overwhelming. The problem is that it just doesn't make for the best viewing experience and so there has to be some use of time clocks or similar that force a compromise between the best levels of play and the best viewing experience.
There are several reasonable ways to handle the time penalty. One is to time by the rack -- out of time, lose the rack. If timed by the match, the non-flagged player would be awarded games corresponding to how much time he had left. If someone runs out of time 10-2 ahead, and the other player has 20 seconds left, a match forfeit is not fair. What's best depends on various factors.
It's not just that -- it's that you routinely use such strong language when discussing this topic. "Everybody will play to their maximum potential when they play slow..." disregards the obvious evidence that many, many players at the very top, not only don't play slow -- but they play fast. So you need to send this info to Strickland, Filler, Shaw, SVB when he's rolling, a recent Sky who's been playing better and faster, AND possibly the greatest cue sportsman of all-time -- Ronnie O'Sullivan.
If you went to them with this data you would be laughed out of the room. Sometimes the data doesn't tell the whole story.
Was the win over Shaw considered the biggest win of John Morra's career?
Can't speak for a consensus. I think it's big right now but there's lots more tournament left.
And made lots of careless errors too! Look at Shaw at the end of the Morra match! I like the Chess Clock idea for Pool. Most players have good tempo and only take time on difficult shots or difficult decisions. Watch Melling - he has a good tempo, but takes his time when needed. Frankly whatever "slow" play is going on in this tournament hasn't bothered me. If slow play is the reason people won't watch pool, then whey didn't we get NFL like audiences when the Shot Clock was first implemented?
This is so well produced.
Matchroom deserves to own pool.
World Pool, nice to see all the young talent.
No shot clock is a bit slow. But it's leading to some really strong play. Plenty of close matches in the end, with lead changes commonly occurring in today's races to 11.
I think SVB won't be satisfied unless he wins. He's in a good place mentally at this stage in his career. He's still got alot in the tank to get there.
Matchroom deserves to own pool.
World Pool, nice to see all the young talent.
No shot clock is a bit slow. But it's leading to some really strong play. Plenty of close matches in the end, with lead changes commonly occurring in today's races to 11.
I think SVB won't be satisfied unless he wins. He's in a good place mentally at this stage in his career. He's still got alot in the tank to get there.
Johnny has beat them all. He has zero quit in him. His best game beats anybody and he has before. That said he's not an ultra top talent.
Seen him playing as a young kid, matching up at SBE. His dad is a hell of a good player too. They'd be playing at Turning Stone events together and I could see where Johnny got his game and respectful attitude. The Canadian contingent are all classy talented players.
I always pull for Johnny and guys like Oscar Dominguez because of their demeanor on and off the table. They are the kind of pros this game needs. Matchroom knows this as well.
Can't turn pool into basketball where they are just running out the clock.
In the past when trying to come up with a proper use of chess clock in pool tournaments, I came to a conclusion that in any way it the match should not end when time runs out. I assume when this happens the match goes to turbo mode (and mostly for a player who just ran out of "standard" time). Like 15 seconds per shot, or 10 minutes to end the match, something like that.
(My survey did not go deep enough, and the reason was one to consider when trying to implement chess clock in pool: there were players who just refused operating the clock during my experiments at the events. They were saying, the requirement to push the button after every inning distracts their mind from the game. Probably there are enough pros who will claim the same, so here we are with the need to hire some third party that will operate the chess clock at every table in play. What is good though, it takes somewhat less responsibility for the "timekeeper", as opposed to shot clock, which must be operated by skilled referees only)
Actually the chess clock topic deserves to have a separate thread, to keep all the good ideas there.
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Not a problem at all, as long as a player is aware of this situation happening here and then. This approach of a verbal warning has been in use between the best refereeing team out there, by far. And there is no issues.
There are wise players who know their rhythm is not fast enough at times, so they actually wait until they get "a signal". Verbal warning or a beeper like used at the Mosconi Cup, those players just stay in stance and perform prelim strokes until they hear a signal, and then they go ahed with the stroke. Because they know they have 10 (or 5, depending on the rules of a certain event) seconds to complete the shot. And this amount of time is pretty much sufficient.