US Open 9-Ball, 2023, Atlantic City, Sep 25-30

trob said:
I remember years where they had a women pro tournament at the expo. Watching women play that couldn’t put 3 balls together. I’m not even exaggerating. Pool men or women at some point will need to do what golf and snooker does. Require people to prove they are good enough to play in it and not just anyone who can afford the buy in.
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I was at some womens event in Janurary in AC the same place the open is at. Their was a woman playing in the Pro open with a 400 fargo rating. She had a better chance at the TAP event across the room. She when 0-2 and didn't win a single game.
 
JAM said:
Window's Open reported on their Facebook Group page that the age restriction at the U.S. Open 9-Ball event only affected two people.

I still do not understand the difference between an under-16-year-old competing in the U.S. Open and an under-16-year-old competing in the SVB Open if they are both held at the same venue, the Harrah's Resort in Atlantic City, New Jersey. In other words, why are under-16-year-olds okay to compete in one and not the other?
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Are there gambling lines somewhere on the US Open but not the junior event?

I see the golf US Open has no minimum age, so maybe it is venue/insurance related and not gambling.
 
The Facebook Window's Open page just posted this about the age restriction:
*RE: WNT Age Restriction Clarification*
The World Nineball Tour (WNT) reaffirms its unwavering dedication to the professional Nineball game and the paramount importance of maintaining the highest standards of safety and adherence to regulations across all its events.
With a commitment to the sport's integrity and the well-being of all participants, the WNT is taking significant steps to ensure consistency and safeguarding in our competitions.
In pursuit of these goals, and with the utmost respect for the game and its players, the World Nineball Tour has made a considered decision to introduce an age restriction to all main events under the WNT banner. This proactive measure is rooted in our commitment to adhere to regulations and ensure the safeguarding of minors.
Effective immediately, participants under 16 will not be eligible to compete in any main event of the World Nineball Tour. While we understand that this decision may be disappointing to many within the community, we must prioritize the safety and welfare of young participants in a tournament setting.
This age restriction in no way diminishes our dedication to nurturing and developing junior players within the sport of Nineball. The World Nineball Tour remains committed to hosting a series of junior events in conjunction with our main events throughout the WNT calendar that are open to those aged 17 and under.
These events will continue to provide a platform for young talents to hone their skills, gain valuable experience, and grow as athletes.
We acknowledge the impact this announcement may have on the aspirations of some players, and we sincerely appreciate your understanding and support of this decision. By implementing this age restriction, we are taking proactive steps to ensure that the World Nineball Tour remains a safe, competitive, and inclusive environment for all participants.
The World Nineball Tour remains resolute in its commitment to advancing the sport of Nineball and creating opportunities for players of all ages to showcase their talents. We extend our gratitude to the entire Nineball community for your continued support as we strive to elevate the game to new heights while prioritizing the well-being of all participants.

I wonder way the previous WNT communication said this:
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I appreciate Window's Open for finding out the why and sharing. It's the prerogative, of course, of the promoter to institute the rules and guidelines going forward.
 
JAM said:
The Facebook Window's Open page just posted this about the age restriction:
*RE: WNT Age Restriction Clarification*
The World Nineball Tour (WNT) reaffirms its unwavering dedication to the professional Nineball game and the paramount importance of maintaining the highest standards of safety and adherence to regulations across all its events.
With a commitment to the sport's integrity and the well-being of all participants, the WNT is taking significant steps to ensure consistency and safeguarding in our competitions.
In pursuit of these goals, and with the utmost respect for the game and its players, the World Nineball Tour has made a considered decision to introduce an age restriction to all main events under the WNT banner. This proactive measure is rooted in our commitment to adhere to regulations and ensure the safeguarding of minors.
Effective immediately, participants under 16 will not be eligible to compete in any main event of the World Nineball Tour. While we understand that this decision may be disappointing to many within the community, we must prioritize the safety and welfare of young participants in a tournament setting.
This age restriction in no way diminishes our dedication to nurturing and developing junior players within the sport of Nineball. The World Nineball Tour remains committed to hosting a series of junior events in conjunction with our main events throughout the WNT calendar that are open to those aged 17 and under.
These events will continue to provide a platform for young talents to hone their skills, gain valuable experience, and grow as athletes.
We acknowledge the impact this announcement may have on the aspirations of some players, and we sincerely appreciate your understanding and support of this decision. By implementing this age restriction, we are taking proactive steps to ensure that the World Nineball Tour remains a safe, competitive, and inclusive environment for all participants.
The World Nineball Tour remains resolute in its commitment to advancing the sport of Nineball and creating opportunities for players of all ages to showcase their talents. We extend our gratitude to the entire Nineball community for your continued support as we strive to elevate the game to new heights while prioritizing the well-being of all participants.

I wonder way the previous WNT communication said this:
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I appreciate Window's Open for finding out the why and sharing. It's the prerogative, of course, of the promoter to institute the rules and guidelines going forward.
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Bullshit! If an under 16yr old can play well enough to enter MR events they should be allowed to - parent or guardian present.

How big of a story would it be to have a 14yr old win or run deep in a huge MR event.

MR needs to reconsider.

I remember when Alex wasn't allowed to play on the Camel tour and Fedor wasn't allowed at Derby, this is the most important time for these players to develop. There wouldn't have been more than a few if that many to gamble against those 2 while they were "under age"
 
I wish there was not a BS statement about “safety”. What specifically does that mean? Safety of being kidnapped? Safety of betting lines on a junior match? Safety of getting lost at the venue? It Just doesn’t add up. Paragraphs of words and zero substance.

As long as a guardian is with the junior, there is no issue.
 
True, but not all parents realize, or understand true competition/fair play.
My daughters in HS were on the first ever soccer team/no men's yet.
The first week they had parents from both teams on the same side.
That was the last time.
Many parents/people/have NO clue about sportsmanship/fair play, this was 30 years ago.
 
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I remember growing up and having to wait a long time with my father for other kids’ parents to show up after an event got done. Plenty of times where no one called to update their status and at 9pm at night, we can’t just leave a kid behind so we would give them a ride to their home. It would be assumed that we could at least get them home and maybe find out why their ride didn’t show up.

If you were to try to do that now it would hit multiple alerts. No multiple adults present, giving a non-related minor a ride home without explicit parental consent, etc.

To bring this back to pool, you’ve got multi day tournaments in locations that are notorious to being inaccessible without a car (Derby City for sure). So the kid gets dropped off and loses first round…is the tournament director/promoter responsible for the well-being of the kid? I just think it makes sense to have the cut off be at where a person is legally an adult. That way every player is responsible for themselves. You don’t have unscrupulous people trying to overcharge a kid for a soda in a casino bar or weirdos trying to get “just a hug or a photo with such a talented young lady”


Then you’ve got tournaments in many locations where the kid would stick out like a sore thumb since 15 year olds aren’t normally seen walking around the Elizabeth, IN casino.

Seems I keep coming back to a repeated item…the venue. Put these tournaments in a convention center or civic center and you start reducing exposure to risk across the board.
 
ALT_ESV said:
I remember growing up and having to wait a long time with my father for other kids’ parents to show up after an event got done. ....
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I think that the Matchroom policy requires a parent/guardian to be present during competition for under 16. That now applies to only the junior event, of course.

I don't see a casino as an especially dangerous place for children. I think there are lots of security cameras. I suppose you could argue that they are exposed to immoral activity but I see that as a learning opportunity. Well, there's the smoke.
 
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ALT_ESV said:
,,,Put these tournaments in a convention center or civic center ....
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For most of Matchroom's events, that's what happens. The UK and European Open are held in event centers. The Mosconi Cup in London is held at Alexandra Palace, a large expo/event center. I suspect the cost structure is different in the US, and casinos are the most viable deal.

Old timers fondly remember when the Derby City Classic was in a hotel, but that was closed/remodeled and DCC moved across the river to the casino.
 
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tableroll said:
Extortion has always been legal in the United States.
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I think it would be a better look if it was not required, and it's not required for local residents.

I just checked and the cost including taxes and all fees appears to be $140/night for a room with two double beds. I think that's pretty reasonable for a host hotel. I stayed at the Doubletree in AC when I went and it was OK but Harrah's would have been better, especially without a car.

On the other hand, Bally's for the Mosconi Cup was quoting $700/night for tardy people. Fortunately Las Vegas has other options.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Old timers fondly remember when the Derby City Classic was in a hotel . . .
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Hey, I resemble that remark! :p

Today is National Senior Citizens Day too.

This photo was taken at the old Executive Inn, the late Jerry Reid and Keith McCready. In the bar, of course!

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Bob Jewett said:
They opened the entries about two hours ago and it is already full. In the past some spots have opened up fairly late. $750 to enter.

Rooms at Harrah's (required for players) are about $145/night including taxes/fees for two queen beds.
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Received an email this morning that they are now filling vacant spots with those on the wait list.

Room options are next to zero but still available. Cost for the week is about ~$1200.

Although it pains me greatly. I'm going to have to take a pass this year. I'm looking at ~2600cdn before even considering food and travel. On top of lost revenue....lol

Maybe if I start saving up now and it's still "Open" next year. :(
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think it would be a better look if it was not required, and it's not required for local residents.

I just checked and the cost including taxes and all fees appears to be $140/night for a room with two double beds. I think that's pretty reasonable for a host hotel. I stayed at the Doubletree in AC when I went and it was OK but Harrah's would have been better, especially without a car.

On the other hand, Bally's for the Mosconi Cup was quoting $700/night for tardy people. Fortunately Las Vegas has other options.
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Don't the weekend rates double?
 
Zerksies said:
It was $750 last year as well.

I do feel that the "Open" will not be an open in a few years

I know in golf you have to qualify to get a "pro" card and that somewhat makes you eligible to participate in pro events. I'd probably feel accomplished if I got one of them cards. But then again how do we qualify someone for a pro card we can't even get a rating universal
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No card needed.

Say 32 seeded players are on a 64 person chart that plays fri-sun.

Then you have an event prior that anybody can get in and it runs mon-thurs and top 32 qualify for the fri-sun event.

Now, who wants to work that event? Volunteer applications shall be considered.
 
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