what separates levels of players?

evergruven

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I know we often touch on the subject
in some form or another
so maybe here we go again
help me with this shovel?

at my level, I think pool knowledge (or lack thereof) plays a significant part
when I shoot, sometimes I literally don't know how the cue ball is going to react
those kinds of shots I try to practice, but inevitably there's a lot I just don't know

then I think about pro players
these are players who have spent thousands and thousands of hours
playing pool and honing the requisite skills to play well
there's always an exception, of course (pool is cool that way)
but for the most part, these players know what and how to play
and again, for the most- they execute
I wonder tho, is that really the difference?

for instance in tennis
just a few points often decide the outcome of a match
in fact, a lot of times one player will win more points overall
and still lose
because the other player won the more important points
the best players win those points more often than other players
they get more opportunities
and of course there are reasons for this
physical and mental
there are a lot of stats in tennis
and it's usually not too hard to figure out
why a guy won or lost

but pool is another cookie
physical reasons matter less
but are obviously still important
I hate to keep snitching on myself
but I'm the player I know best:grin:
it used to be more, but sometimes still
I (almost) run out
but leave myself tough on the last two balls
bad leaves get progressively worse, y'know
and after doing most of the work
I dog it, and have a ruff game
the other player doesn't usually mind
anyway, bad example

let's get back to good players
it is so impressive to me
how well certain players compete
and then puzzling why others don't compete better
I mean these guys pretty much know everything, right?
better players play almost perfect a lot of the time
is it the almost part that actually decides things?
are the margins that razor-thin
good/bad rolls matter, for sure
but shane still shane, alex still alex, dennis still...you get my point
over time, these guys consistently find their way to the top
and I know these relative know-it-alls have their strengths and weaknesses
as we all do
I don't know
I guess in a thoughtful, albeit rambling (and mostly un-hip) way
I really wonder what it is that separates us

what cha thank?
 

jay helfert

Shoot Pool, not people
Gold Member
Silver Member
I know we often touch on the subject
in some form or another
so maybe here we go again
help me with this shovel?

at my level, I think pool knowledge (or lack thereof) plays a significant part
when I shoot, sometimes I literally don't know how the cue ball is going to react
those kinds of shots I try to practice, but inevitably there's a lot I just don't know

then I think about pro players
these are players who have spent thousands and thousands of hours
playing pool and honing the requisite skills to play well
there's always an exception, of course (pool is cool that way)
but for the most part, these players know what and how to play
and again, for the most- they execute
I wonder tho, is that really the difference?

for instance in tennis
just a few points often decide the outcome of a match
in fact, a lot of times one player will win more points overall
and still lose
because the other player won the more important points
the best players win those points more often than other players
they get more opportunities
and of course there are reasons for this
physical and mental
there are a lot of stats in tennis
and it's usually not too hard to figure out
why a guy won or lost

but pool is another cookie
physical reasons matter less
but are obviously still important
I hate to keep snitching on myself
but I'm the player I know best:grin:
it used to be more, but sometimes still
I (almost) run out
but leave myself tough on the last two balls
bad leaves get progressively worse, y'know
and after doing most of the work
I dog it, and have a ruff game
the other player doesn't usually mind
anyway, bad example

let's get back to good players
it is so impressive to me
how well certain players compete
and then puzzling why others don't compete better
I mean these guys pretty much know everything, right?
better players play almost perfect a lot of the time
is it the almost part that actually decides things?
are the margins that razor-thin
good/bad rolls matter, for sure
but shane still shane, alex still alex, dennis still...you get my point
over time, these guys consistently find their way to the top
and I know these relative know-it-alls have their strengths and weaknesses
as we all do
I don't know
I guess in a thoughtful, albeit rambling (and mostly un-hip) way
I really wonder what it is that separates us

what cha thank?

Short answer for a long question, it's who plays better under pressure!
 

RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I know we often touch on the subject
in some form or another
so maybe here we go again
help me with this shovel?

at my level, I think pool knowledge (or lack thereof) plays a significant part
when I shoot, sometimes I literally don't know how the cue ball is going to react
those kinds of shots I try to practice, but inevitably there's a lot I just don't know

then I think about pro players
these are players who have spent thousands and thousands of hours
playing pool and honing the requisite skills to play well
there's always an exception, of course (pool is cool that way)
but for the most part, these players know what and how to play
and again, for the most- they execute
I wonder tho, is that really the difference?

for instance in tennis
just a few points often decide the outcome of a match
in fact, a lot of times one player will win more points overall
and still lose
because the other player won the more important points
the best players win those points more often than other players
they get more opportunities
and of course there are reasons for this
physical and mental
there are a lot of stats in tennis
and it's usually not too hard to figure out
why a guy won or lost

but pool is another cookie
physical reasons matter less
but are obviously still important
I hate to keep snitching on myself
but I'm the player I know best:grin:
it used to be more, but sometimes still
I (almost) run out
but leave myself tough on the last two balls
bad leaves get progressively worse, y'know
and after doing most of the work
I dog it, and have a ruff game
the other player doesn't usually mind
anyway, bad example

let's get back to good players
it is so impressive to me
how well certain players compete
and then puzzling why others don't compete better
I mean these guys pretty much know everything, right?
better players play almost perfect a lot of the time
is it the almost part that actually decides things?
are the margins that razor-thin
good/bad rolls matter, for sure
but shane still shane, alex still alex, dennis still...you get my point
over time, these guys consistently find their way to the top
and I know these relative know-it-alls have their strengths and weaknesses
as we all do
I don't know
I guess in a thoughtful, albeit rambling (and mostly un-hip) way
I really wonder what it is that separates us

what cha thank?

Dont over complicate it.

Ever play with a paddle ball when you were a kid?

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Same principal.

Whoever can bounce the ball/hit a perfect shot the most times in a row is king.

The rankings work their way down from there. :thumbup:
 

CocoboloCowboy

Cowboys are my hero's
Silver Member
Think the top players process data or information about each shot fast because it is in their mussel memory, were there want the Cue ball at the end out the post object ball contact roll, etc. Everything is faster, and seems automatic to the novice player.

The novice player does not do this well, if they did they would play better & more consitant. Building mussel memory is work, time consuming, and requires so much practice.

If you want to be good at anything it is a time consuming process, even if it some little insignificant job, attention to ever detail is important.

30 Pool table in a Pool Room each have the same cloth, but every table has it differences. Pro get the feel, or sped fast.. Most novices are not that schooled to pick up on small differences.
 

garczar

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I know we often touch on the subject
in some form or another
so maybe here we go again
help me with this shovel?

at my level, I think pool knowledge (or lack thereof) plays a significant part
when I shoot, sometimes I literally don't know how the cue ball is going to react
those kinds of shots I try to practice, but inevitably there's a lot I just don't know

then I think about pro players
these are players who have spent thousands and thousands of hours
playing pool and honing the requisite skills to play well
there's always an exception, of course (pool is cool that way)
but for the most part, these players know what and how to play
and again, for the most- they execute
I wonder tho, is that really the difference?

for instance in tennis
just a few points often decide the outcome of a match
in fact, a lot of times one player will win more points overall
and still lose
because the other player won the more important points
the best players win those points more often than other players
they get more opportunities
and of course there are reasons for this
physical and mental
there are a lot of stats in tennis
and it's usually not too hard to figure out
why a guy won or lost

but pool is another cookie
physical reasons matter less
but are obviously still important
I hate to keep snitching on myself
but I'm the player I know best:grin:
it used to be more, but sometimes still
I (almost) run out
but leave myself tough on the last two balls
bad leaves get progressively worse, y'know
and after doing most of the work
I dog it, and have a ruff game
the other player doesn't usually mind
anyway, bad example

let's get back to good players
it is so impressive to me
how well certain players compete
and then puzzling why others don't compete better
I mean these guys pretty much know everything, right?
better players play almost perfect a lot of the time
is it the almost part that actually decides things?
are the margins that razor-thin
good/bad rolls matter, for sure
but shane still shane, alex still alex, dennis still...you get my point
over time, these guys consistently find their way to the top
and I know these relative know-it-alls have their strengths and weaknesses
as we all do
I don't know
I guess in a thoughtful, albeit rambling (and mostly un-hip) way
I really wonder what it is that separates us

what cha thank?
'Cause they roll and not troll. Seriously??? There's a zillion answers why top players are better. Are your hoping(dreaming??) that some reply here will unlock the gate to stellar play???
 

MattPoland

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I look at it this way. I approach a table. I have a big bag of skills. They’re honed because I practiced them. It could be my fundamentals (stance, strike, follow through, etc.), basic shots (stop, stun, and follow), using side spin, various cut angles, speed control, advanced shots (kicks, banks and masse), and positional shots (kisses, caroms, breakouts, and safeties).

Now I need to plot a pattern through the rack that relies on my tricks I can execute at a high percentage. And I need an accurate assessment of my skill at that shot from making the ball to getting my desired outcome. So many players are lacking skills they don’t know exist or think they have a skill at a high percentage when it is in fact low percentage.

Some players have a strong arsenal at their disposal and can run racks using them (like most pros). At that point...it’s all in their head. Like a Jay said, can they handle the pressure and deliver the goods? A little luck never hurts too.


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iusedtoberich

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
The brain-eye-hand connection is what separates speeds. It’s maybe 90% of what determines your speed.

Knowledge, strategy, handling pressure, attitude, etc, is about 10%.

Every single post in this thread is opinion, and this is mine:)
 

TATE

AzB Gold Mensch
Silver Member
Because they do every single thing better and they do so because they worked (and worked and worked) at it and possess the talent to excel at pool. The effort the champions put into the game is something we need to understand and respect.
 
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Ratamon

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
If I were to pick just one thing, I’d say cue ball control


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Scott Lee

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
evergruven...I'm not talking about going from a novice or intermediate player trying to become a pro...but more about the difference between really good amateurs and the average player. The difference is players who REALLY want to get better; are willing to work at it; and willing to get some quality instruction VS players who already know it all (thereby proving that they are unable or unwilling to learn something new)...it's the old "if you can't beat me, you can't teach me" thing. There are lots of other excuses, but none of them hold water. All you'd really have to do is take a lesson from Randyg, myself, or several of our other Master Instructors scattered across the country. It would drastically change your outlook and stroke quality and consistency.

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour

I know we often touch on the subject
in some form or another
so maybe here we go again
help me with this shovel?

at my level, I think pool knowledge (or lack thereof) plays a significant part
when I shoot, sometimes I literally don't know how the cue ball is going to react
those kinds of shots I try to practice, but inevitably there's a lot I just don't know

then I think about pro players
these are players who have spent thousands and thousands of hours
playing pool and honing the requisite skills to play well
there's always an exception, of course (pool is cool that way)
but for the most part, these players know what and how to play
and again, for the most- they execute
I wonder tho, is that really the difference?

for instance in tennis
just a few points often decide the outcome of a match
in fact, a lot of times one player will win more points overall
and still lose
because the other player won the more important points
the best players win those points more often than other players
they get more opportunities
and of course there are reasons for this
physical and mental
there are a lot of stats in tennis
and it's usually not too hard to figure out
why a guy won or lost

but pool is another cookie
physical reasons matter less
but are obviously still important
I hate to keep snitching on myself
but I'm the player I know best:grin:
it used to be more, but sometimes still
I (almost) run out
but leave myself tough on the last two balls
bad leaves get progressively worse, y'know
and after doing most of the work
I dog it, and have a ruff game
the other player doesn't usually mind
anyway, bad example

let's get back to good players
it is so impressive to me
how well certain players compete
and then puzzling why others don't compete better
I mean these guys pretty much know everything, right?
better players play almost perfect a lot of the time
is it the almost part that actually decides things?
are the margins that razor-thin
good/bad rolls matter, for sure
but shane still shane, alex still alex, dennis still...you get my point
over time, these guys consistently find their way to the top
and I know these relative know-it-alls have their strengths and weaknesses
as we all do
I don't know
I guess in a thoughtful, albeit rambling (and mostly un-hip) way
I really wonder what it is that separates us

what cha thank?
 
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