Who Really is the BEST Pool Hustler in the Country?

CJ Wiley

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Scotty Townsend (honorable mention Bobby Pickle)

Best Endurance Player - "Country Calvin"

Best Player When Intoxicated - Scotty Townsend (honorable mention Bobby Pickle)


ribdoner said:
Best Bite:

Cliff
Tony Watson

Tanked and BANKED the most:

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?????

Air barrel specialist supreme:

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phillyviper1

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CJ Wiley said:
I apologize if we've offended anyone by asking "the best hustler in America" to gamble on a pool forum. I believe, if you check, they are wanting to gamble, that's what their reality show it all about....this is truly a win/win scenario for them....if they can win.

Strong Arm John ask me to post this in response to the other posts about who's the best in the country. I'm not claiming to be a "hustler" (at least for the last 25 years) in anything other than legit businesses (yes business people have to "hustle too).

I've actually been on the road quite bit playing this year and will give "Tedder" or "Scooter" enough weight to make it fair.....we're obviously not looking for the "nutz" we are just offering to gamble with him. He may not post here, but he knew about my post in a matter of minutes, so the message was offered AND received.

Now we'll see if they really want to put their reputation on the line.....we are.

'Our Game Will be Their Teacher'
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So What your saying is that you know how tedder and scooter play and your going to offer them a game they cant win. Your not going to offer them a game that u feel your gonna lose at. That would be like me saying to you I would play you and I want 12-6 and the breaks playing one pocket because I know how you play but u have no clue how I play but I know you cant win. Its almost pointless . Because scooter aint coming unless he has the best of it and you aint Playing unless you have the best of it. This challenge will not be accepted bt scooter and you know it and you knew it prior to posting so I just dont see the point.
 
ShootingArts

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they will be fighting to get the short end of the bet

phillyviper1 said:
So What your saying is that you know how tedder and scooter play and your going to offer them a game they cant win. Your not going to offer them a game that u feel your gonna lose at. That would be like me saying to you I would play you and I want 12-6 and the breaks playing one pocket because I know how you play but u have no clue how I play but I know you cant win. Its almost pointless . Because scooter aint coming unless he has the best of it and you aint Playing unless you have the best of it. This challenge will not be accepted bt scooter and you know it and you knew it prior to posting so I just dont see the point.
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You have been here since 2009? Surely you know everyone always outruns the nutz. Both sides will be fighting to get the money down bad so they will be the winner!

Hu
 
CJ Wiley

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I'll always remember the BUSYBODY LOUNGE in Evansville

Touche'

We had a good time in St. Louis, it had been a long time since I saw "C"....he was running around with Rusty Brandimere last time I saw him.

Does Rusty still come around, say "hi" to him, we made a lot of money on the road back in the mid 80s.....I'll always remember the BUSYBODY LOUNGE in Evansville, it was very, very, good to us.



watchez said:
Jason Kirkwood could give Bobby Pickle the 7 ball.
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CJ Wiley

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John isn't happy unless I'm "outrunning the nutz".

When two groups of Road Players get together the games should be pretty even. I'll give up enough weight to give them an "edge," John isn't happy unless I'm "outrunning the nutz".

'Our Game Will be Their Teacher'


ShootingArts said:
You have been here since 2009? Surely you know everyone always outruns the nutz. Both sides will be fighting to get the money down bad so they will be the winner!

Hu
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CJ Wiley

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.he's a grown man and can protect himself in gambling situations,

You aren't making any sense. Scooter is a professional gambler and we're offering $20,000 of action, he's got to love that. We may win, but it will be challenging to outsmart someone with as much "road experience" as Scooter's crew.

We all know each other and how strong our games are, you act like it's Scooter's "first rodeo".....he's a grown man and can protect himself in gambling situations, how else could he possibly be considered "the best"?


phillyviper1 said:
So What your saying is that you know how tedder and scooter play and your going to offer them a game they cant win. Your not going to offer them a game that u feel your gonna lose at. That would be like me saying to you I would play you and I want 12-6 and the breaks playing one pocket because I know how you play but u have no clue how I play but I know you cant win. Its almost pointless . Because scooter aint coming unless he has the best of it and you aint Playing unless you have the best of it. This challenge will not be accepted bt scooter and you know it and you knew it prior to posting so I just dont see the point.
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the best pool players i ever seen with my own too eyes was about 69ys old played at lawrences church steet pool room orlando fla..thomas.. leroy..geronimo the houseman..mr lawrence...lil hub(16yrsold)and the calledme yung wippersnapper..the game?any..1hole bank pool 9ball last pocket 8ball..and my favorite game back to geogia..i asked geranimo how can i get good like him.he said you will never be as good as me young wipper snapper..i didnt like that aswer so i played with them everyday after my job at national linen,i was a enginer at that time and made good money,.i would come in and the old guys would say OO YOUNG WIPPERSNAPPERS IN DA HOUSE.they would all grab there sticks to play free pool from beating me to death..after 1yr....i walk in no young wippersnapper in da house no more..thomas said you know to much ..now you a giant killa boy...i still cant fade gerronimo..when he came in i asked him again..damn man i realy want to be great like you ..tell me how...his response...QUIT YO JOB........DEVORCE YOUR WIFE...AND GAMBLE EVERY DAY....then with a sad look that i had not seen in him before, he asked me ,now young wipper snapper you still want to be good like me?i said no sir...........30yrs later i askyou all this..name one pers on who retired from a life time of hustlin as a job
 
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CJ Wiley

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Maybe Geronimo knew you weren't born to be a pool player

The glamor of being an old "pool scuff". I played a lot in Florida during the 80s with Strong Arm, Chuck, Doug and traveled around in an "AirBrush Magic" truck. Can't say that I ever played any of the gentleman you mentioned although it is a possibility.

All of us were up on this earth for different reasons...if born to be a mechanic someone won't be truly happy unless they can work on cars....if someone is born a carpenter they won't be happy unless access to a hammer, saw, and nails....if born a sceptic someone won't be happy unless they find something to be sceptical about.

Being born a pool player is no different than anything else, if born a pool player you can't be happy without a cue and a table.....to be happy we must find what we were born to do and seek it with all our hearts, minds, and soul.....or we can never be satisfied that we are doing what we were born to do.

Maybe Geronimo knew you weren't born to be a pool player and was doing you a favor.....I truly hope you've found what you were born to do my friend. Many people only think they were born to make money and end up discontented.

I was born a pool player, even though I tried to deny this for many years, and just though I was content. When there's a way on God's green earth we will find the means to make the game proud of us again - and everyone will know it is the "Master Game".

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flufly da killa said:
the best pool players i ever seen with my own too eyes was about 69ys old played at lawrences church steet pool room orlando fla..thomas.. leroy..geronimo the houseman..mr lawrence...lil hub(16yrsold)and the calledme yung wippersnapper..the game?any..1hole bank pool 9ball last pocket 8ball..and my favorite game back to geogia..i asked geranimo how can i get good like him.he said you will never be as good as him young wipper snapper..i didnt like that aswer so i played with them everyday after my job at national linen,i was a enginer at that time and made good money,.i would come in and the old guys would say OO YOUNG WIPPERSNAPPERS IN DA HOUSE.they would all grab there sticks to play free pool from beating me to death..after 1yr....i walk no young wippersnapper in da house no more..thomas said you know to much ..now you a giant killa boy...i still cant fade gerronimo..when he came in i asked him again..damn man i realy want to be great like you ..tell me how...his response...QUIT YO JOB........DEVORCE YOUR WIFE...AND GAMBLE EVERY DAY....then with a sad look that i had not seen in him before, he asked me ,now youn wipper snapper you still want to be good like me?i said no sir...........
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Best drunk player was Peru paul hands down strong arm will testify to this. He drank a half gallon a day of bourbon and could run strings of 8 to 10 packs on the bar table. He was a really good bar table player. Another good biter was Charlie Brenson, ask john about him too john said he was one of the few that could bite him. A lot of people would have a 20 in their hand when he approached. About paul there are drunk players like scotty who might've played better but definitely not if they drank drink for drink with him. He once was playing in the finals of a regional tournament dropped his cue and couldn't find it someone in the stands gave it to him and he went on to win the tournament.
 
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genomachino

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It never was about going in there with both guns blazing..

Neil said:
Why would you, someone claiming to want to promote pool, equate gambling on a match to hustling? Just because some other guy did? Surely you must know the difference between the two.

Second, what makes you think that even if you won ONE match against him, that would make you the best gambler? Everyone loses once in a while. The best is the guy that wins more often than he loses. One match does nothing to determine the best at gambling.
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But I do agree that this would be good for TV but not very realistic.

Now a days it's hard to sneak up on people with the internet and all. I took my first road trip after being out of pool for about 10 years. I stopped in Omaha trying to give a lesson or play someone some $200 sets of 9 ball. About 15 minutes later I had one of them come up to me and say, your name is Gene Albrecht. I told him that is what I said. My name was on my card with Perfect Aim saying I was a teacher.

He got the 15 year ago line on me and said he would play me on the 9 footer because I was a champion bar table player. I told him OK and we still didn't play.

The internet really made hustling allot tougher than years ago. Back then you could just drive 200 miles and nobody heard of you before. You were like in a new world.

Strong Arm John is and was a pretty good hustler. He came into my home town and played me at my bar/poolroom. He got the called 6 ball from me and lost $600 in 2 $300 sets.

He came back a few days later and got the wild 6 from me. Won back the $600 plus about a $1000. We were playing for $100 a rack on the bar table.

Finally I hit a gear and won all that back plus about $1000 more and he quit, shook my hand and left.

he went to Minneapolis to get some action and he told all the players that I gave him the wild 6 and killed him. They called me from up there because they all knew me and I told them the truth. That I had won but I had to shoot pretty good to get the cash.

He got spots from everyone up there and from the sounds of it won between $20,000 and $30,000. I really don't know how much but it sounded like he got all the cash in town.

I saw him about a years later at a big tourney in Beloit. We talked some and he shared a few stories.

This guy to me is one of the best hustlers I have ever seen for getting the bet up there and getting the cash.

He turned a little defeat in Chippewa Falls , Wisconsin into a gold mine in Minneapolis. And it was tough to get the cash up there back then.

Nice guy also and not one dimensional. He had other things he did like his arm wrestling for the cash.

When I was down in Indy the last few years we didn't play at all. He didn't try to make a game with me and I didn't try to make a game with him but if we did I kind of think he would be on the right side of the bet. Pretty Cagy.
 
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genomachino said:
But I do agree that this would be good for TV but not very realistic.

Now a days it's hard to sneak up on people with the internet and all. I took my first road trip after being out of pool for about 10 years. I stopped in Omaha trying to give a lesson or play someone some $200 sets of 9 ball. About 15 minutes later I had one of them come up to me and say, your name is Gene Albrecht. I told him that is what I said. My name was on my card with Perfect Aim saying I was a teacher.

He got the 15 year ago line on me and said he would play me on the 9 footer because I was a champion bar table player. I told him OK and we still didn't play.

The internet really made hustling allot tougher than years ago. Back then you could just drive 200 miles and nobody heard of you before. You were like in a new world.

Strong Arm John is and was a pretty good hustler. He came into my home town and played me at my bar/poolroom. He got the called 6 ball from me and lost $600 in 2 $300 sets.

He came back a few days later and got the wild 6 from me. Won back the $600 plus about a $1000. We were playing for $100 a rack on the bar table.

Finally I hit a gear and won all that back plus about $1000 more and he quit, shook my hand and left.

he went to Minneapolis to get some action and he told all the players that I gave him the wild 6 and killed him. They called me from up there because they all knew me and I told them the truth. That I had won but I had to shoot pretty good to get the cash.

He got spots from everyone up there and from the sounds of it won between $20,000 and $30,000. I really don't know how much but it sounded like he got all the cash in town.

I saw him about a years later at a big tourney in Beloit. We talked some and he shared a few stories.

This guy to me is one of the best hustlers I have ever seen for getting the bet up there and getting the cash.

He turned a little defeat in Chippewa Falls , Wisconsin into a gold mine in Minneapolis. And it was tough to get the cash up there back then.

Nice guy also and not one dimensional. He had other things he did like his arm wrestling for the cash.

When I was down in Indy the last few years we didn't play at all. He didn't try to make a game with me and I didn't try to make a game with him but if we did I kind of think he would be on the right side of the bet. Pretty Cagy.
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These are the kinds of things I love hearing about. Thanks for sharing.
 
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ribdoner said:
Best Bite:

Cliff
Tony Watson

Tanked and BANKED the most:

?????
?????

Air barrel specialist supreme:

?????
?????
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Last time I saw Tony Watson in action, he was a sight to behold.
He has definitely pocketed way more dough than most anyone
playing in Pro Tournaments.
 
CJ Wiley

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also one of the greatest hustlers of all time.....Dalton Leong.

The guy I was with when we played in your home town was also one of the greatest hustlers of all time.....Dalton Leong. He was a great inspiration to me and taught me a lot when we traveled in the early 80s.

We had a great time playing that night, I'm sure you still remember it clearly. Dalton was with me when we played Toby Dick as well.....he was terrific action at one time.

Dalton could act like he was many nationalities, he even passed as an Eskimo in Anchorage Alaska. He always amazed me when we were staying at the Indian "Patel" motels....they would call and want us out by 11 am and he could put on an "indian accent" and get them to extend us til 1 and sometimes 2 pm.....talk about a great hustler, try that sometime and see how well you do. ;)
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Dalton Leong - Photo thanks to Fran Crimi


genomachino said:
But I do agree that this would be good for TV but not very realistic.

Now a days it's hard to sneak up on people with the internet and all. I took my first road trip after being out of pool for about 10 years. I stopped in Omaha trying to give a lesson or play someone some $200 sets of 9 ball. About 15 minutes later I had one of them come up to me and say, your name is Gene Albrecht. I told him that is what I said. My name was on my card with Perfect Aim saying I was a teacher.

He got the 15 year ago line on me and said he would play me on the 9 footer because I was a champion bar table player. I told him OK and we still didn't play.

The internet really made hustling allot tougher than years ago. Back then you could just drive 200 miles and nobody heard of you before. You were like in a new world.

Strong Arm John is and was a pretty good hustler. He came into my home town and played me at my bar/poolroom. He got the called 6 ball from me and lost $600 in 2 $300 sets.

He came back a few days later and got the wild 6 from me. Won back the $600 plus about a $1000. We were playing for $100 a rack on the bar table.

Finally I hit a gear and won all that back plus about $1000 more and he quit, shook my hand and left.

he went to Minneapolis to get some action and he told all the players that I gave him the wild 6 and killed him. They called me from up there because they all knew me and I told them the truth. That I had won but I had to shoot pretty good to get the cash.

He got spots from everyone up there and from the sounds of it won between $20,000 and $30,000. I really don't know how much but it sounded like he got all the cash in town.

I saw him about a years later at a big tourney in Beloit. We talked some and he shared a few stories.

This guy to me is one of the best hustlers I have ever seen for getting the bet up there and getting the cash.

He turned a little defeat in Chippewa Falls , Wisconsin into a gold mine in Minneapolis. And it was tough to get the cash up there back then.

Nice guy also and not one dimensional. He had other things he did like his arm wrestling for the cash.

When I was down in Indy the last few years we didn't play at all. He didn't try to make a game with me and I didn't try to make a game with him but if we did I kind of think he would be on the right side of the bet. Pretty Cagy.
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CJ Wiley

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an internal asset that not only increases in value through increasing your ability

When I was 18 I had the privilege of traveling with the Dalton Leon (he went by many names) Dalton studied zen, martial arts, holistic medicine, and a wide range of philosophies...he introduced me to things that made a lasting impression ...we were in Minneapolis having lunch, talking about the stock market and how it seemed like just another version of Las Vegas, where sooner or later the house always wins...which didn't seem to appealing to me......
"Dalton, we've won a lot lately, what do you think I should do with my money, invest in stocks, bonds, futures, or would you suggest something else?

He paused, gathering his thoughts carefully and said "We all live in two worlds, one is our inner world and the other is our outer world ... people typically use money to invest in their outer world where they have no control and are at the mercy of other people ... I believe the best investment you can make is in your inner world where you will actually feel the profit, not just see it.....I suggest you always spend what you can on mental, physical, spiritual and financial knowledge... this is an internal asset that not only increases in value through increasing your ability to make better decisions, and it can never be taken away! Invest in yourself and and always seek to help others."
 
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watchez said:
The best pool hustler is Cliff Joyner. It's not even close.

Next question.
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Cliff Joyner flew under the radar for several decades . Young'ns, however, cannot appreciate how much territory Cliff has traveled. :wink:

The term "road player" has the connotation of a pool player who travels on the road and gets played, kind of like a rolling stone. Where he lays his hat is his home. :grin:

I coined the term "road scholars" and suggested it to Diana Hoppe when she was in the process of creating the DVD at the Derby City Classic. Many of those "road scholars" have passed away, sad to say, but they're what I would call the real road players and hustlers, i.e., Grady Mathews, Ronnie Allen, Vern Elliot, Wade Crane, et cetera.

A hustler is someone who can walk into a joint and get a game with anyone, and while he's hopefully winning, he makes sure his opponent is having a good time. This is the mark of a good hustler. They don't *always* win, but if they know how to match up and handicap, a trait that a competent hustler must h ave, they win more than they lose. ;)

Interestingly, Wikipedia lists several pool players as known hustlers, and though I am a frequent contributor to Wikipedia in a variety of subject-matter areas, I did not make this entry ---> Wikipedia Source for Hustling. :cool:

Notable real-life hustlers:

Rudolf "Minnesota Fats" Wanderone, famous hustler and entertainer
Chef Anton, trick shot artist and author of several hustling manuals
Keith McCready, a legendary road player
Billy "Cornbread Red" Burge, another legendary player, from Detroit
Danny "Kid Delicious" Basavich, former hustler turned top-ranking professional
Alvin Clarence "Titanic Thompson" Thomas, a gambler, golfer and hustler, from Arkansas

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and so is hustling. :yes:
 
CJ Wiley

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Bakersfield Bobby was another one that Weldon used to talk about.

Ask Keith about "JR Weldon," I'm sure he's got some great stories about him. We all traveled together at different times. Weldon took Keith to play Reid Pierce in Jackson Mississippi during that period.....talk about a "gun fight," with Reid and Keith playing on an old Irving K table.

Bakersfield Bobby was another one that Weldon used to talk about....I think he even learned to play "one handed" from him and ended up being the 2nd best in the country (behind "Lil Sergio"). Keith knows all these guys well, unfortunately many of them are no longer with us.

JAM said:
Cliff Joyner flew under the radar for several decades . Young'ns, however, cannot appreciate how much territory Cliff has traveled. :wink:

The term "road player" has the connotation of a pool player who travels on the road and gets played, kind of like a rolling stone. Where he lays his hat is his home. :grin:

I coined the term "road scholars" and suggested it to Diana Hoppe when she was in the process of creating the DVD at the Derby City Classic. Many of those "road scholars" have passed away, sad to say, but they're what I would call the real road players and hustlers, i.e., Grady Mathews, Ronnie Allen, Vern Elliot, Wade Crane, et cetera.

A hustler is someone who can walk into a joint and get a game with anyone, and while he's hopefully winning, he makes sure his opponent is having a good time. This is the mark of a good hustler. They don't *always* win, but if they know how to match up and handicap, a trait that a competent hustler must h ave, they win more than they lose. ;)

Interestingly, Wikipedia lists several pool players as known hustlers, and though I am a frequent contributor to Wikipedia in a variety of subject-matter areas, I did not make this entry ---> Wikipedia Source for Hustling. :cool:

Notable real-life hustlers:

Rudolf "Minnesota Fats" Wanderone, famous hustler and entertainer
Chef Anton, trick shot artist and author of several hustling manuals
Keith McCready, a legendary road player
Billy "Cornbread Red" Burge, another legendary player, from Detroit
Danny "Kid Delicious" Basavich, former hustler turned top-ranking professional
Alvin Clarence "Titanic Thompson" Thomas, a gambler, golfer and hustler, from Arkansas

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and so is hustling. :yes:
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