hey cj a old friend of mine says he knows u....jimmy red down here in tampa says whats up man......back to the thread....geronimo was doing me a favor indeed and i understood completly what he was trying to say.. but for those of you who did not get it here it is ..........him and all the hustlers in the room wouid trade all there game for what i still had and they all lost years ago....a smockin hot wife,a high paying job and the weekly salary that comes with it........they were all loser in the biggest game you can play..LIFE..MAYBE THEY WERE BORN LOSERS...you go to work you get payed for working then you go play...the GAMBLER -HUSTLER wants to play get payed for playin and never work...well that shit only happens in imaganation land were you shit were you talk ,and talk out your ass.....theres not ONE retired gambler -hustler of pool in the galaxy.....so to all you who travel that road ...snap the the **** out that dream or you will be another broke poolroom bum....... ps and i mean in the galaxy and liveing with that money they made from years of gambling.....like the pearl said (its a game not a sport)hmmm i wonder why that is after 100plus years its sad to me ,i think this GAME should be in the olympics....but what do i know, am just a chocolate man wit alot of pretty sticks...
Who Really is the BEST Pool Hustler in the Country?
- Thread starter CJ Wiley
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now you just match up super tough and bet super high.
I remember Jimmy Red, tell him "hi" as well, we both knew Geraldine Titcomb (Ladies Billiard Champion)
and I was with her daughter for a couple of years....talk about "Smokin Hot" :grin-devilish:
There's only a handful of Hustlers/Road Players left these days - it was an art of the 80s, now they just match up super tough and try to bet reasonably high.
I remember Jimmy Red, tell him "hi" as well, we both knew Geraldine Titcomb (Ladies Billiard Champion)
and I was with her daughter for a couple of years....talk about "Smokin Hot" :grin-devilish:
There's only a handful of Hustlers/Road Players left these days - it was an art of the 80s, now they just match up super tough and try to bet reasonably high.
hes not wanting to gamble
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Bottom line is if you can't play straight up then someone's game (Scooters) isn't good enough.
Just sayin
Jack Cooney and Artie Bodendorfer come to mind. Both were hustlers who seem to be doing okay. What about Billy I.? I would say there are some out there but the percentages are probably .000001% you can retire off hustling pool.
CJ what about this from Scooter? How did they play?
He's in Denver and he'll be at DCC....
All true...... One time at Stepletons I'm sitting with Cornbread and Bucky Bell getting schooled and Paul walks up and sits down, then Paul starts talking. Like, talking normal, carrying on a conversation talking.... I'm like "Wtf, Paul? What gives with talking?". He was like"You gotta catch me before I start drinking!".
No doubt Cliff learned how to bite from Charlie Brinson!!! Plus, Charlie had his pimp game to boot..... That guy was a hoot!
I agree Lenny. And the fact is Artie beat most everyone he played at pool, he finally gave it up and went to Vegas where he literally "robbed" the sports books with his system bets. It was brilliant, and it changed the Vegas sports books lines in the process because of the weakness he exposed. He mad millions in the process. Long story short, he's persona non grata at every casino in Vegas. He can eat there, he just can't gamble at any of them. Don't want to go too deep without the OK from Artie though
JAM...Wow...whoever did write this doesn't have a clue. Anton is so far from even WANTING to be a hustler, that it's stone cold funny (yeah he did write a 'handbook' on hustles, that lots of people wrote to him about)! What he really is, is an excellent professional magician (read: has a real job), and a fine poolplayer. He makes a great living being a pool entertainer. He himself would have a long laugh at being called a "notable real-life hustler"! LMAO 
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JC
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Then you should have sent them a post card or fed ex overnight letter to their car and left it off of AZ where inquiring minds want to know :smile:
JC
Rusty has owned a very successful pool league in this area for quite some time. He obviously doesn't play anymore. The last time I saw Rusty play was probably over a decade ago. He came out for a regional event that had many top players in attendance. Rusty at that time hadn't played in years as well. He made them all look like they couldn't play and robbed the tournament. His pool was literally beautiful to see. I haven't heard of him playing since.
Next time I see him, I'll give him your best.
CJ, care to address this?
To an extent I agree that there are some unknown monsters, but the ones who are the best also have stories told about them by people who were there to witness it. That part of the hustle life is unavoidable.
At sounds like this is a matchup thread, not a who can hustle who thread, two totally different things.
Peru Paul, yep he played awesome.
He never looked like he was comfortable or enjoying it, but would string racks together.
Ken
I think there is a HUGE difference between a great "hustler" and a great "gambler." The best gambler in this country is without a doubt, SVB. He plays anyone, on their table, with their format, for big money and wins! No laying down, no moves, no tricks, just here I am, I play better than you, flip it!
Damn! How did you know who I was playing way back then? That is the only people who had the "real" cash. Everybody else worked for a living and held on to their money a bit closer. The people you just described obtained their money rather "easily" and let it go rather quickly and "easily".
You played the diaper-money guy on off days.
My take on Hustler v. Road Player
The thread has been derailed a bit into what I see as 2 totally different categories.
You have the road hustler, who drums up games, usually has to play B player speed and match up A player speed, and needs to be incredibly personable for times when he needs a walking stick, a bite, place to stay, etc.
You have the Road Player, who back in the time I was traveling around was a player who would go to tournaments from city to city (think of John McChesney Texas Express Tour (we followed that from beginning to the end))
While at the tournaments you would match up before, after, heck even during, to cover the expenses, and get ahead for the next spot. A lot of times you'd be putting your whole bankroll (minus gas money to get home) on the line with nowhere to sleep that night, no food to eat, etc.
I've traveled with CJ before on the road (and I doubt he could pick me out of a lineup of 2 people) I've traveled with John before, and know him well. Also traveled with the rest of his "crew" (I'm guessing Doug is somewhat a part of that crew)
Who the best is, is rather subjective. The amounts thrown around today, are amounts that a lot of players cant come up with. Good players who just don't have 20k laying around cant get played because they wont "bet enough" $100 one pocket is just hitting balls around in a lot of people's book.
The market has now set the bar, if it isn't a match for 10k, 20k, 100k, then no one wants to watch. Exhibition, bah humbug in their eyes, because there could be a chop or it just isn't enough on the line.
Paul could drink a lot, and he was ornery when he was losing, but a ball to be around when he was either not playing or buzzing. The good thing about Paul was that he ran around with Danny, and Danny could play. You would BEG to play Paul, he looked literally like Paul Bunyon. Tall, flannel shirt, scruff on the face, etc.
I remember back when John had Sticks and Stones and Doug and I were "managers" I LOVED that job. If I could have any job in the world ever, it would be going back to that age and running that pool room for John. If someone wants to ever write a good pool book, you could write it about Indy and the pool scene.
The thread has been derailed a bit into what I see as 2 totally different categories.
You have the road hustler, who drums up games, usually has to play B player speed and match up A player speed, and needs to be incredibly personable for times when he needs a walking stick, a bite, place to stay, etc.
You have the Road Player, who back in the time I was traveling around was a player who would go to tournaments from city to city (think of John McChesney Texas Express Tour (we followed that from beginning to the end))
While at the tournaments you would match up before, after, heck even during, to cover the expenses, and get ahead for the next spot. A lot of times you'd be putting your whole bankroll (minus gas money to get home) on the line with nowhere to sleep that night, no food to eat, etc.
I've traveled with CJ before on the road (and I doubt he could pick me out of a lineup of 2 people) I've traveled with John before, and know him well. Also traveled with the rest of his "crew" (I'm guessing Doug is somewhat a part of that crew)
Who the best is, is rather subjective. The amounts thrown around today, are amounts that a lot of players cant come up with. Good players who just don't have 20k laying around cant get played because they wont "bet enough" $100 one pocket is just hitting balls around in a lot of people's book.
The market has now set the bar, if it isn't a match for 10k, 20k, 100k, then no one wants to watch. Exhibition, bah humbug in their eyes, because there could be a chop or it just isn't enough on the line.
Paul could drink a lot, and he was ornery when he was losing, but a ball to be around when he was either not playing or buzzing. The good thing about Paul was that he ran around with Danny, and Danny could play. You would BEG to play Paul, he looked literally like Paul Bunyon. Tall, flannel shirt, scruff on the face, etc.
I remember back when John had Sticks and Stones and Doug and I were "managers" I LOVED that job. If I could have any job in the world ever, it would be going back to that age and running that pool room for John. If someone wants to ever write a good pool book, you could write it about Indy and the pool scene.
This is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread..
Man, are you ever a proponent to anything ever posted on AZ?
Sorry, but it just seems like you always oppose everything.
Nice idea CJ comes up with and you are such a drag.
Sorry, but it just seems like you always oppose everything.
Nice idea CJ comes up with and you are such a drag.