$1000 entry tourney at Chester's in OKC -- anyone go?

[cookie man]

Yup.

Only problem with your post is that the AZ player wouldn't say it to themselves. They'd post on all social media about the sandbagger from Florida here to rob tournaments. I've seen it several times.

I live in florida and don’t of any sandbagger that went to that tournament. I think 3 players from florida went. I know them all

 

[kling&allen]

How would that work?

I would obviously defer to you as to how these matches get imported into Fargo Rate, and the verification tools you use, but why couldn’t a group of real players (with real Fargos and Salotto accounts) create a group of fake Fargo/Salotto accounts to win and lose against without playing any actual matches?

 

[Jerry OC]

Or even just create fake Salotto accounts to lose against.

I think you at least have to have someone else named and a notification is sent to them and they have to accept the match and the results.

 

[kling&allen]

I think you at least have to have someone else named and a notification is sent to them and they have to accept the match and the results.

Thanks, if that requires a unique phone number for each account (as opposed to just a unique email), then I agree no one would bother with this to dump a few points.

(Note I thought this tournament was great and like the Fargorate system, just not the Salotto app)

 

[mikepage]

I would obviously defer to you as to how these matches get imported into Fargo Rate, and the verification tools you use, but why couldn’t a group of real players (with real Fargos and Salotto accounts) create a group of fake Fargo/Salotto accounts to win and lose against without playing any actual matches?

I'm not saying these things can't be done and there isn't manipulation. They can, and there is.

First, though, there are fewer that try than many people think.

Second, most of those who start to try abandon their quest in time for a number of reasons--the risk-cost-effort-reward equation starts to look a little different than it did at the beginning.

Third, you can't just make up names and report fake matches. Your fake player needs to have a FargoRate profile attached to a unique email address for Salotto to bind to.

Fourth, if you make up a player and lose games to that player, your rating is unaffected.

Fifth, if you and three of your friends make up four players to whom you can lose at will, you and your friends will just be more or less exchanging rating points. There is nothing to do to make your group go down.

Sixth, ALL your increasingly desperate attempts to lose by even bigger margins after the first attempts don't work out as planned are there publicly revealed in your FargoRate profile like your hand superglued to the inside of a cookie jar. [ALL Salotto matches are public under "view public matches."]

Seventh, your Salotto matches will be statistically at odds with your tournament and league games in FargoRate, and that could mean they may count for less or not at all.

 

[alphadog]

I'm not saying these things can't be done and there isn't manipulation. They can, and there is.

First, though, there are fewer that try than many people think.

Second, most of those who start to try abandon their quest in time for a number of reasons--the risk-cost-effort-reward equation starts to look a little different than it did at the beginning.

Third, you can't just make up names and report fake matches. Your fake player needs to have a FargoRate profile attached to a unique email address for Salotto to bind to.

Fourth, if you make up a player and lose games to that player, your rating is unaffected.

Fifth, if you and three of your friends make up four players to whom you can lose at will, you and your friends will just be more or less exchanging rating points. There is nothing to do to make your group go down.

Sixth, ALL your increasingly desperate attempts to lose by even bigger margins after the first attempts don't work out as planned are there publicly revealed in your FargoRate profile like your hand superglued to the inside of a cookie jar. [ALL Salotto matches are public under "view public matches."]

Seventh, your Salotto matches will be statistically at odds with your tournament and league games in FargoRate, and that could mean they may count for less or not at all.

Eight Salotto matches are public and you will get ratted out.

 

[9BallKY]

Anything can happen in a tournament. Play the same tournament again tomorrow with the same players and you will probably get totally different results.

The last tournament I played in I got 2nd. I lost early in the tournament to the tournament favorite came back through the losers side and beat the tournament favorite. Won another set and I was playing for 3-4. The guy I played in this set was the worst player I had played in the tournament, but he had made it that far and deserved the right to play for a chance to get in the money. Fortunately for me I got lucky and beat him 5-0 to get in the money.

 

[skip100]

“Seventh, your Salotto matches will be statistically at odds with your tournament and league games in FargoRate, and that could mean they may count for less or not at all.”

What is the process for a game not counting “at all”? I thought the algorithm used every result in the database. A manual ignore flag for suspicious Salotto results?

 

[kling&allen]

I'm not saying these things can't be done and there isn't manipulation. They can, and there is.

First, though, there are fewer that try than many people think.

Second, most of those who start to try abandon their quest in time for a number of reasons--the risk-cost-effort-reward equation starts to look a little different than it did at the beginning.

Third, you can't just make up names and report fake matches. Your fake player needs to have a FargoRate profile attached to a unique email address for Salotto to bind to.

Fourth, if you make up a player and lose games to that player, your rating is unaffected.

Fifth, if you and three of your friends make up four players to whom you can lose at will, you and your friends will just be more or less exchanging rating points. There is nothing to do to make your group go down.

Sixth, ALL your increasingly desperate attempts to lose by even bigger margins after the first attempts don't work out as planned are there publicly revealed in your FargoRate profile like your hand superglued to the inside of a cookie jar. [ALL Salotto matches are public under "view public matches."]

Seventh, your Salotto matches will be statistically at odds with your tournament and league games in FargoRate, and that could mean they may count for less or not at all.

Thanks Mike, I always appreciate your analysis and videos.

 

[beetle]

Nick (the guy that won) is a very nice guy and I'm really proud of him for winning this monster tournament! I have played him quite a few times and have hosted $250 entry round robins at my home in the last year. Nick has beaten me the last 5-6 times we played even though our fargos are not too far apart (I'm a 571).

Nick has improved so much in the last 2 years, it is amazing to watch. It is a result of him putting in many hours a week of practice and getting regular lessons and advice from several local pros. He is a concert guitarist and teacher, so knows how to perform under pressure and I think that skill (hitting every musical note correctly in a complex classical piece, in front of a large audience) he applies to pool and uses that focus and concentration to make every shot in a high pressure game with a lot of money on the line, without nerves.

I would have bought him in the auction if I had known about it!

 

[watchez]

I'm not saying these things can't be done and there isn't manipulation. They can, and there is.

First, though, there are fewer that try than many people think.

Second, most of those who start to try abandon their quest in time for a number of reasons--the risk-cost-effort-reward equation starts to look a little different than it did at the beginning.

Third, you can't just make up names and report fake matches. Your fake player needs to have a FargoRate profile attached to a unique email address for Salotto to bind to.

Fourth, if you make up a player and lose games to that player, your rating is unaffected.

Fifth, if you and three of your friends make up four players to whom you can lose at will, you and your friends will just be more or less exchanging rating points. There is nothing to do to make your group go down.

Sixth, ALL your increasingly desperate attempts to lose by even bigger margins after the first attempts don't work out as planned are there publicly revealed in your FargoRate profile like your hand superglued to the inside of a cookie jar. [ALL Salotto matches are public under "view public matches."]

Seventh, your Salotto matches will be statistically at odds with your tournament and league games in FargoRate, and that could mean they may count for less or not at all.

I haven’t look at a ton but I’ve yet to look up any player, click on public matches and see any.
Wasnt there an instance where a husband/wife in Arizona ‘played’ each other Salotto matches to lower the husbands rating?
I was also told that there was a Facebook post about the player that came in 2nd in Oklahoma about him using Salotto to manipulate his Fargo prior to the tourney. The post, which had details of the Salotto matches, was deleted and I was told his Salotto matches were deleted as well. But I didn’t see the post myself so I can’t 100% confirm.

 

[Island Drive]

When your dealing with $, no matter what game, it's normal behavior for players$ to ''lemonade''.
It's Common, for the best players in an area, to hold their own events at their room, which happens quite often.
Local events are usually put together/run/managed/ to give their best players a leg up on opponents.
Here's a perfect example of what just happened to me this month.
I won the hill and now waiting.
When I got to the event, I arrived 1/2 hr before play started, to make sure how many players signed up/paid.
The numbers were good, and was told it would only be a one day event.
My Next concern before I paid my entry was the cue balls.
I've been to this room a few times and there were many different cue balls.
When your on a 9' it's a concern, moreso than 7'.
Well the TD responded here's what he said.
''I got all tables playing with the same cue balls" he knew it Was a concern, I then registered.
The same person who told me about the cue balls, ironically was my opponent in the finals.
What did he do.
He picked his table also, changed the cue ball, which I commented on ''before play started''.
He laughed/smiled.... it's how this town rolls, always has and always will.

With my background, I call it ''Cheating''.

bm

 

[boogieman]

The same person who told me about the cue balls, ironically was my opponent in the finals.
What did he do.
He picked his table also, changed the cue ball, which I commented on ''before play started''.
He laughed/smiled.... it's how this town rolls, always has and always will.

With my background, I call it ''Cheating''.

What a snake. I bet he'd make a good pair of boots if you skinned him.

 

[ChrisinNC]

Did anyone here go to the big tournament that just happened in Oklahoma City?

It was 9-ball on bar boxes, race to 11. Under 600 FargoRate. $1000 to get in. 128 players.

A regular practice partner of one of our former regulars here who moved to Arizona and traveled to the tournament with won it and won $70k including the Calcutta payout.

I have a hard time understanding how they can confirm accurate Fargo ratings to keep sandbaggers from participating in events like this.

 

[iusedtoberich]

A regular practice partner of one of our former regulars here who moved to Arizona and traveled to the tournament with won it and won $70k including the Calcutta payout.

I have a hard time understanding how they can confirm accurate Fargo ratings to keep sandbaggers from participating in events like this.

Did you know the winner’s game personally? If so, would you put him under 600?

 

[ChrisinNC]

Did you know the winner’s game personally? If so, would you put him under 600?

No I don’t, but his buddy that used to play here is a legit high 500s Fargo, and he said his buddy who won plays about the same.

On bar tables, even sub 600 Fargo players can get hot and string multiple racks, particularly if playing against competition that is not superior to them.

 

[JB Cases]

Did anyone here go to the big tournament that just happened in Oklahoma City?

It was 9-ball on bar boxes, race to 11. Under 600 FargoRate. $1000 to get in. 128 players.

128 players came. The winner took home $50,000. Second place $25,000.

 

[JB Cases]

And apparently some contention between the Oklahoma players and Arizona players. Thinking Arizona players are underrated

Nobody said any such thing at the venue. No one I spoke with thought that any participant from Arizona was underrated.